[Closed] Revelation Damper - Motion Control Upgrade - Boost vs Non Boost

Boot and non-boost are not interchangable.

How old are the forks? Any chance of a warranty?

Boost doesn't matter, what year are your revelations? They need to be the 2018 35mm stanchion models to take the pike charger damper upgrade.

Its a 2018 Whyte S150 so I doubt a warranty replacement is avaialble and I have had the bike for about 18 months.
I assume the charger linked above is a non-boost?
They are the 35mm version. Im sure I read somewhere that the boost and non boost have different a thread on the crown so they are non interchange?

Thanks Luke

I do t think there is a specific difference in boost to non boost chargers - but in the back of my mind some forks have a different pitch thread in the crown for the dampers to thread into.

If you go from the link for your fork to documents and then the charger damper manual upgrade it only lists charger 2.1 models as compatible with your fork. If this is correct then that damper from CRC won’t fit. What I don’t know if if they’re only listing the most uptodate model compatible or if that genuinely lists the only ones that fit.

Ok, 2018 model, A1 so yeah they'll take the charger damper.

Damper's aren't boost, so ignore anything to do with that.

You need 00.4018.783.015

The CRC listing mentions non boost as that linked damper is for the old non-boost pikes.

I know dampers aren't boost, but I'd been told the tread pitch was different between boost and non boost hence why the boostiness was listed on the description.

Wife has some of these same forks and I'd like to upgrade just because moco is a bit pants. Given that SRAM are now less inclined to offer small parts as spares, I'd be looking at something like the Novyparts Splug instead.

I think you are right Onzadog - the top of page 6 on the link ta11pau1 posted there is a note about the threads

My fork is an A1 29" Boost so I believe I need 00.4018.783.017 (charger 2) or 00.4020.169.004 (charger 2.1)

Thanks guys

I spoke to TFT about a broken MoCo** on 2018 Revs and they said something about thread differences in the Charge damper between fork types, so definitely validate that first.

** The thingy that connected the rod to the spinny gate / throwing-star thingy at the bottom of the damper had sheared so the gate was stuck mostly closed (IANAE) and as such the forks were almost locked. My mate machined something to fix it and it works fine now but I did find a cheapish Moco from a German retailer to stick on the shelf just in case. It's my XC / dossaround hardtail so was reluctant to drop another £250 for an upgraded damper (plus I think there were stock issues and now's still not the time to test the 'shipping in 7-10 days' claim.

scuttler this is exactly what has happened to mine! - I was tempted to repair mine, now you said you repaired yours ill take another look and see if i can get it fixed at work. Any idea how yours was repaired?
Im reluntant to drop £75 quid on a MOCO hence why I was thinking of upgrading.
Cheers

Luke

Hi Luke - Let me get a description from my mate. It's been fixed and working fine for about 3-4 weeks now and I've done probably about 80 off road miles and a fair bit of descending in that time so fingers crossed for now.

If you don't want to spend more on the upgrade, I have full right side internals for that fork with sub 12 months use.

I upgraded to charger 2.1, from a German site. Think it was around 200.

ta11pau1

Damper’s aren’t boost, so ignore anything to do with that.

That's not right, the boost forks have a different thread pattern so the dampers come with specific top caps to match, you need the specific one for your fork.

FYI Luke I bought this from Bikeinn. Loads cheaper than £75 and came in around 1 week (Bikeinn have form for lazy shipping). Sure the description is a bit vague but it's definitely a 2018 35mm Rev Moco damper (although I haven't fitted it) that came in the post.

https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/rockshox-manual-revelation-air-pike/137146221/p?utm_source=google_products&utm_medium=merchant&id_producte=8579806&country=uk&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIiq_gtZuG6gIVEWHmCh3djAVTEAYYASABEgISPfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

scuttler - a description would be great thanks - also thank for the info, may do the same as you 🙂
Davros - how much would you like for the MOCO? DM me if you like. I’m also interested how the 2.1 is over the MOCO - is it a significant change?

Thanks

That’s not right, the boost forks have a different thread pattern so the dampers come with specific top caps to match, you need the specific one for your fork.

Yes, but whether a certain damper fits a boost or non boost fork is purely down to what model of fork it fits. If a 2018 revelation only comes in boost, the fact that its a boost fork is irrelevant, its the fork model thats the important bit.

It's like saying a lyrik air spring will only fit rockshox forks. If you get the right damper for the right model fork, whether it's boost or non boost, or rockshox or whatever, is irrelevant.

I was trying to say don't look at boost/non boost as to whether it'll fit your fork, look for the right fork model. The older pikes have different dampers for boost and non boost models, but the 35mm revs only came in boost.

Charger 2.1 is a significant upgrade. I'm lightweight but had to run the rebound at full speed with the moco. The return felt sluggish to me. Obviously the general damping is greatly improved. You're basically turning it into a pike.

I'll dm about the moco in case you are interested.

I was going to do a charger upgrade on my revelations, but I upgraded the whole bike instead 😁

They are known to be poor on repeated fast hits, they're a very basic damper so well worth the upgrade. While you're doing that you may as well upgrade to the newer debonair spring with the bigger negative chamber.

I am also lightweight (~59kg) so glad to have a good comparison. I will keep an eye out for the DM.
I wish I could get a new bike, not because I need one, well just because, and apparently that is not a good enough reason according to the wife?! I actually put the debonair spring in when I serviced the forks last, I think there may be a newer one now but I was happy with the original upgrade so will keep that as is - thanks for the recommendation though.

Explanation of the fix:

I made a steel blade with two prongs. Drilled a hole either side of the spindle where the original had snapped off and pushed the prongs in, interference fit. Then glued piece of a plastic bottle over the blade to ensure it was a snug fit in the adjuster slot. Snapped it back together and check valve holes are fully uncovered when adjuster is fully open, and holes blocked when adjuster is in closed position.

Picture of the repaired part

I have a 2018 whyte s150 with the 35mm revelations and I’ve upgraded the damper and air spring recently. It’s made a huge difference. I’m afraid to say I bought it from a German site rather than my LBS but it came out a lot cheaper than buying in uk and I had all the tools and grease/oil to fit it myself. About £250 all in inc some new wiper seals and foam rings. Plenty of videos how to do it online.

I used spring 00.4019.931.001 and charger 2.1 rc2 damper 00.4020.169.005. The damper has adjustable hsc and lsc rather than just the 3 positions of the rct3.

Also I think there is a 2020 air spring if that 2019 part number is no longer available.

I’ve got that exact Revelation damper if you want a cheap fix. It has never been used - swapped out to a charger damper at the point of sale of my 2018 s-150 in January this year. It’s now Sat in my garage doing nowt.

Please message me if you’re interested.

scuttler - that perfect, thank you for your effort you made to send me these details, really appreciated.
westisbest – thanks for the info. I think I will go for the RT3 if I decide to upgrade as I do like to use the lock out feature for climbing (I feel it helps, even if it is just the placebo effect).
mildred – you have a DM 😊