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Ok, so I'm out of the loop of what's good out there, but a colleague has £3k burning a hole in his pocket and has asked me for recommendedations.
Wants it for all day jaunts, not just trail centres.
Apparently, my Krampus isn't what he had in mind when I told him what I ride.
Whyte t130 or spesh camber.
Orange Four
Cotic Flare
Whyte T130
New Bird Aeris 120 (120 refers to rear travel)
Saracen Kili Flyer
Whyte should probably be top, but they're the 2 wheeled equivalent of an Audi now.......
Any of the above if built sensibly should be light enough for all day riding.
Transition Scout
Whyte should probably be top, but they're the 2 wheeled equivalent of an Audi now.......
Oh... really? They look like great bikes, have my eye on one.
Not that any association bothers me if they're decent to ride
Trek Fuel Ex?
Another vote for the Cotic Flare Max...... There doing a round of demos atm well worth trying one out
SC 5010 alloy?
I'm thinking of the t130 but also look out for new kili Flyer on 1st September
I'd look at 29in for an all day bike.
Lots of short travel 29er threads on here over the past year or so.
If it was me I'd have a Transition Smuggler
Bird have just launched the new 120/130 Aeris!!
Does a Yeti SB5c Enduro not fit into that price bracket in the UK?
Lots of good suggestions here. I am a happy Cotic and Transition customer, the new Flare looks great and they are currently doing demos having just launched the bike. Many Bird fans on STW. That's a decent budget for an all roind bike and there's lots of choice including all the mainstream brands like Giant, Trek, Specialised, LaPierre etc
I'd look at 29in for an all day bike.
Id look at bikes and ask the wheel size after.
Plenty of crossover. Where are these jaunts, what are they like, how does he ride? Something comfy but playful or playful that you can ride all day? Mile munching or big mountain fun?
Santa Cruz 5010c and as luck would have it I'm selling one for a lot less than £3k 🙂
2017 fuel ex range, much better looking frame than last year and a great pedalling suspension system
Orange Five and make the most of the extra 10mm.
Orange Four.
Canyon Spectral 29er.
Giant Trance
Jeffsy?
Id look at bikes and ask the wheel size after.
There's enough variety of bike styles within the 29in fold now to just rule out smaller wheels IMO.
I'm sure the majority of 130mm bikes of any wheel size can be ridden all day, but bigger wheels just make for easier work, more technical capability and just as much fun IME.
Giant Anthem SX and a grand to spare ?
If he's just going to buy something without test riding a few first then he should just go for whatever YT or Canyon takes his fancy. He'll get a great bike at that budget and the spec will be on a different level to half the suggestions above.
Cheers All..
I've passed on my findings. 8)
bigger wheels just make for easier work, [b]more technical capability[/b] and just as much fun IME.
I'm not sure I agree with your middle point. In what sense do you believe 29ers are more technically capable? I've found that 29ers can make things easier and are as much (if not more) fun (sometimes), but this is at the compromise of technical ability. E.g. tackling tight twisty downhill sections and getting around switchback climbs. I suppose it depends on the definition of "technical".....
T129 with a 130mm fork.
Yes that's what I ride but I'm sure it would fit the bill. It's an incredible bike that should allow him to ride anything he wants.
I suppose it depends on the definition of "technical".....
True, I was thinking of tackling rugged trails - but I think decent geometry 29ers can get round twisty stuff about as well as smaller wheel bikes.
Riding steep, rocky switchbacks can feel a bit cramped - but there's a positive in that you don't stall as easily.
It's like the thing abotu getting bigger wheels up to speed taking longer. Yeah it's true, but it's massively outweighed by the momentum boost.
Won't go far wrong with this from the Orange offers page.@£2700
https://www.orangebikes.co.uk/shop/factory/ex_demo/2016_segment_rs_large_kermit
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Just got a SC 5010 and absolutely love it. A bit above budget new if you go for fancy carbon, but second hand or ex-demo, older model may get it in budget. There is alloy also. Lightweight though is where you want to be for a short/mid travel agile trail bike.
Primarily was after a 130-ish travel general go to full sus that would be at home on technical steeps as much as hammering around trail centres and yet fast pedalling for speedy xc rides, plus light and climbable.
Basically a do-it-all bike for the 90% of riding I actually do.
Meanwhile I keep my 170 Nomad for beefy stuff. Plus bonus of hard tail when I feel like hard tailing it.
Anyway, if going alloy, 120 Bird seems ideal also.
chakaping - Member
It's like the thing abotu getting bigger wheels up to speed taking longer. Yeah it's true, but it's massively outweighed by the momentum boost.
I find the opposite. Momentum from big wheels is fine in a straight line, but accelerating out of twisty corners, setting off down a trail, I get up to speed and blast away quicker than those big wheels and it's less energy. On a fast ride on straight climbs is where I get killed by 29ers though, though most those I ride with are also very fit.
Nukeproof Mega TR? Though the Bird looks pretty cool too
Adore my camber evo - obviously all evo for 2016/7 - good for XC mile munching, singletrack, techy stuff and steep stuff (to my ablity)
My riding has improved massively on this bike and more importantly so has my enjoyment
Clearly, there is nowhere to try out a Canyon for Size in the UK, is there?
SC5010
Whyte 130
Orange seem poor value for money at the moment IMHO
Orange seem poor value for money at the moment IMHO
They've [i]always[/i] been poor value for money.
They're actually better value than they have been for a while IMO.
If you fancy a Segment Sunset MTB are knocking out the current frame in custom colours and 1x11 for a couple of quid over 2k.
Santa Cruz 5010c and as luck would have it I'm selling one for a lot less than £3k
Unless I have misread your ad you want £1900 for the frame only. That leaves the OP £1100 for the rest of the bike.
OP there is so much choice best of luck 😉
First choice would be the T130
Second choice would be the Transition Scout
Unfortunately getting your hands on 2017 versions before xmas is going to be hard, especially the Whyte as I believe (may be wrong) they have sold all their allocation until then.
Yes you have misread my ad completely. That's for a Nomad frame, which is now sold, I now have a complete Solo CC for sale for £2300 which I have yet to list. Thanks
Depending on which side of the travel range you want to be:
Giant Anthem SX
Giant Trance
Id be having a look on Orange website at the ex demo rs fours 🙂 a pretty penny to be saved
Devinci Django 120mm or Troy @ 140mm great bikes Nick.
Id be having a look on Orange website at the ex demo rs fours a pretty penny to be saved
Having seen Orange ex-demo's I can recommend this as they replace any worn parts and re-spray frames that are anything past lightly marked. You could quite easily end up with a bike that looks very close to new.
@jambalayaYes you have misread my ad completely. That's for a Nomad frame, which is now sold, I now have a complete Solo CC for sale for £2300 which I have yet to list. Thanks
LOL 😆
That segment deal at sunset looks good.
Would love a go on one of them.
[I]I'm not sure I agree with your middle point. In what sense do you believe 29ers are more technically capable? I've found that 29ers can make things easier and are as much (if not more) fun (sometimes), but this is at the compromise of technical ability. E.g. tackling tight twisty downhill sections and getting around switchback climbs. I suppose it depends on the definition of "technical"..... [/I]
I rode the Fort William DH track this week on my Camber evo 29er. The 2 pals I was with (on full DH bikes) reckoned that if you were going to ride a short-travel bike on this track, a 29er was probably the best choice due to it's ability to get stuck in less 'holes'.
Glad I'd a Pike up-front though 🙂
2017 Spark plus 720 should come in just under that, will be a killer bike that needs nothing upgrading out the box.
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Completely different, but if after best value for money than the newest Boardman Pro Fs is worth a look. Currently on sale at £1199.20. 130mm rear travel, 140mm front travel. Rs Pike RC Solo air forks and 1x11 Sram GX drive train. Also squeezes Sram Guide R brakes into the package. Just add a decent saddle / dropper post / favourite tyres on and it's awesome for the money.
I've got the previous model which has 2 x 10 X9 drive train / Guide Rs brakes and RS Revelations (albeit I've had a longer air leg put in so they have 150mm travel) and I can't fault it. The new version has better kit and more aggressive geometry apparently. Should be perfect for all day riding bit pretty fun too when going downhill.
Just depends if your friend wants a 'bling' brand or not (I get that a lot of people would).
Boardman sold out, just got to find stores that have stock! I'm considering a spec camber comp carbon, but not sure if it will fit yet.
That segment deal at sunset looks good.Would love a go on one of them.
Even better is you end up with the upgraded rims, Deore brakes and 2017 SDG saddle mine turned up with. 😉
You're welcome to have a go if you're ever near Skipton.
Bikescene have got some good deals going on Stumpjumpers at the moment. Worth having a look at and are great guys to deal with.
I suppose it depends really on where the all day riding is?
I think the new Giant Anthem/Trance range looks great, with some progressive geometry that may only be catching up to the likes of Whyte, but more availability and economy.
Trek also have some interesting bikes with variations of wheel size and fatness.
It may be more down to how and what he is comfortable buying - mail order or local in person service at a bike shop.
Rather than another thread, I am hoping I can join in!
After 130mm bike too - max budget £2000
T130s looks great but out of budget, same again with the Fuel EX9.. but do like it!
https://www.evanscycles.com/trek-fuel-ex-9-27-5-2016-mountain-bike-EV251300
Other options I am looking at are:
Trek Fuel EX 8 29:
Camber Comp (budget for dropper):
http://www.southdownsbikes.com/specialized-camber-comp-29-2016
Wait for the new Bird... but not sure I want to wait till December.
Any other options at 2k max (really want price to include dropper).
I'd also consider second hand there are some bargains to be had on Pinkbike etc for a budget of 2K. Hard tail would be my option at that price point or Boardman
You're welcome to have a go if you're ever near Skipton.
Did you get the large?
I could bring my Process 111 over for a big-wheel ride out.
🙂
Jayx2a - this looks ideal if you're a large :
http://www.bikescene.co.uk/Whyte-T129-Works-8812-77-0.html
Looks pretty good - even cheaper in Medium (depending on condition as ex demo).
@jay Teamhurtmore tried quite a few bikes and bought a Camber Evo and is very happy with it. He rodes stuff all over Surrey from xc to Peaslake/Pitch/.. trails. It certainky seems a lot of bike for the money
I'd say that 'all day capable' is 95% down to the rider and 5% down to the bike - and that 5% is basically a case of avoiding freeride, 4X and downhill bikes! 😉
New trek fuel ex. Most versatile bike I've ever ridden. And my god the 9.8 is a sexy beast. [img] 
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Jeezo. Most people will only recommend their own bikes even if they don't do the same type of riding. A lot of people do their homework and either ride their freinds bikes or get demo's. Don't be influenced by so called bling brands as they don't ride any better and in a lot of cases, not as well made as one of the big brands. Get out there and try some in either wheel size.
Transition Scout, tested loads last year, and the Scout has the highest smile per mile factor.
Tested:
Five - A bike (sorry fans!)
Fuel - Soulless (but very capable)
Remedy - As above
Aerial - really good, just not quite my size/shape
Scout - capable and playf6
What's with the trend these days of really slack seat tubes - see the two bikes pictured on this page?
Having long legs and a short torso this is a nightmare for me - fortunately my Capra isn't like this and the short reach that people moan about works for me
There aren't actually all that slack if you take a line from the BB.
The kinked ST make them look worse than they are. Obviously if you have the seatpost out a lot v a little it will have a more pronounced effect.
What's with the trend these days of really slack seat tubes - see the two bikes pictured on this page?
The cynic in me says its a compromise to get a CS length that will sell bikes and get the linkages/ shock in the right place without looking a bit hideous.
I would like a straight ST too personally
Wheels on the ground: 2017 Giant Anthem/Trance
Wheels in the air: Transition Scout (the only bike I've ever owned I've thought about hugging after a ride)
It's mainly to allow for shorter chainstays. If you take that pic up there of the Trek, the kink in the seat tube is to allow the rear wheel to go through all its travel, whilst not interfering with the frame. Longer chainstays would achieve the same, but handling would then be less sharp.
I guess also that as almost everyone is using dropper posts, there is no need to keep seat tubes straight, in order to allow for seatposts to be dropped down into the frame.
It's not the kink that bothers me so much, it's the fact that when you have a lot of seatpost showing, it pushes you right back over the rear wheel and increases your reach.
The bikes pictured above would be completely different animals to myself and someone with legs 2" shorter
There's a medium Smuggler frame in the classifieds.
They'd be near the top of my list for an all-day bike that could do trail centres & handle a bit of gnar.
Smuggler would be fun but I think the 2017 Trek Fuel EX is about as spot on trail bike as you can get.
[b]fadgadget - Member[/b]Don't be influenced by so called bling brands as they don't ride any better and in a lot of cases, not as well made as one of the big brands. Get out there and try some in either wheel size.
I see your point here, and have thought the same, a lot.
Big brands have millions to spend on R&D, and a huge wealth of experience and knowledge to work from.
Smaller, boutique brands by comparison, just don't have the same resources, but they generally take the better bits from big brands, the bits that work and people like, what they like themselves, then package it into their own bike designs. Theses type of bikes are generally more expensive, it's expectable, just economies of scale, so they need to be blingy and seem exclusive to sell and make a profit for the manufacturer.
Whether they ride as well as the big brands bikes is subjective I guess, maybe they do, maybe they don't, perhaps you have to mess about with them and put more into the setup? Big brand bikes do seem hugely capable, generally trouble free and just no fuss, they just work, brilliantly mostly.
BUT do I want to buy one - not really, I've demoed a few bikes lately, both big brand and more boutique/niche, they were all good, too good for me to pick holes or really judge their capabilites accurately. The big brand bikes seemed a bit soulless, workish, like driving a middle spec. VW Golf, looks nice enough, won't offend anyone, does it's job brilliantly, just gets everything done without fuss. Does that make me love a thing and want to use it - not really, not when it's a toy. A commuter bike, yeah, my trailer shredder 😈 nah mate.
[i]It's not the kink that bothers me so much, it's the fact that when you have a lot of seatpost showing, it pushes you right back over the rear wheel and increases your reach.[/i]
I've long legs and long arms, so this works well for me.
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Don't be influenced by so called bling brands as they don't ride any better and in a lot of cases, not as well made as one of the big brands. Get out there and try some in either wheel size.
Sometimes the 'bling' brands are actually far more engineering led than the big brands, with the latter being more tied to low risk designs and easy marketing. It varies a lot.
Santa Cruz are often vilified as an overpriced boutique brand but they chose to stick with the better engineering solution of threaded bottom brackets, whilst the big players went press fit, claiming marginal gains of stiffness...
Big brands often stay conservative with their geometry too, with a few honourable exceptions.
The Kona Process 134 is awesome for all-dayers, and can still handle the bike parks from time to time!
Did you get the large?
Went for XL in the end as the reason for changing was that the Alpine 5 felt a bit small in L with 750mm bars and 60mm stem. Looks worse, should fit better!
Defo up for a ride out if you fancy it.
Oh, and agree with some comments above about the huge brands. My mates Camber is a very impressive and polished package with lots of neat touches. Still a bit soulless IMO though.
Had my eye on the bird zero to for a while now but sorely tempted by their new aeris 120 otherwise the orange p7 or alpine would be something of a dream...
Think I may treat myself having read all this...
And especially as Yeti have now got some great deals on the go...