Rear wheel issue on...
 

  You don't need to be an 'investor' to invest in Singletrack: 6 days left: 95% of target - Find out more

[Closed] Rear wheel issue on road bike, drive side slipping

21 Posts
15 Users
0 Reactions
139 Views
Posts: 0
Free Member
Topic starter
 

This has happened on two rides now, the 1st using the Planet X skewers and the 2nd using my new American Aero 3 wheel set.

The wheel is slipping from the drive side dropout.
Two images showing damage, 2 different rides with 2 sets of skewers both done up stupidly tight. - 2 different wheel sets. It’s definitely slipping from the dropouts.

Any ideas?

- So to end - 2 wheelsets doing the same thing.
- QR is very tight. but still slipping probably due to my emense power whilst climbing.
- Its a Planet X N2A

Will i die!?


 
Posted : 27/10/2012 7:04 pm
Posts: 251
Full Member
 

You need to do the QR's up tighter is my opinion.


 
Posted : 27/10/2012 7:07 pm
Posts: 0
Free Member
 

Need decent skewers IMO.


 
Posted : 27/10/2012 7:12 pm
Posts: 126
Free Member
 

Are you sure it's not wheel flex?


 
Posted : 27/10/2012 7:19 pm
Posts: 0
Free Member
 

Sounds more like the wheel flexing. I would have thought that the wheel would be pulled upwards by pedalling forces?

If they are the planet x own brand wheels then they are pretty flexy.


 
Posted : 27/10/2012 7:21 pm
 m0rk
Posts: 0
Free Member
 

Vertical dropouts and the wheel popped out? Happened in the days of horizontal, but I've never seen it on verts

must be as wwaswas suggested

Do the skewers & outer face on the axle have serrations?


 
Posted : 27/10/2012 7:22 pm
Posts: 751
Full Member
 

Either wheel flex or shit skewers. Try a pair of Shimano skewers and a different wheelset.


 
Posted : 27/10/2012 7:25 pm
Posts: 0
Free Member
Topic starter
 

Its slipping from the dropouts. the first time it was using the PX skewers and today was using my new American classic Areo 420s 3 wheelset. using the AC skewers. Very tight! had to stuggle adjusting it. Had to stop 3 times during ride to re center and drive side popped out.

Davidtayforth - if the wheel pops out on the drive side it will rub the non drive side. I noticed the dropouts are very smooth with no bite marks, this a bit strange?


 
Posted : 27/10/2012 7:25 pm
Posts: 36
Free Member
 

It sounds to me as though the skewer is not tightening on the dropout but onto something else, not sure what else it could be though.
Looking at the frame on the PX site it looks like the drop outs are slightly forward facing, my old Pinarello is similar and I have to tighten the QR silly tight to stop it slipping.
Is there any movement between the dropout and the mech hanger?


 
Posted : 27/10/2012 9:22 pm
Posts: 0
Free Member
Topic starter
 

Yes looks like a fault and not gripping properly. It's not just paint thats gone, carbon too. 1mm dip. Email sent to Planet X.

I'm not going to ride it. Probably dangerous and am not going to risk the chain stay snapping whilst cars whizzing past me at 60mph.


 
Posted : 27/10/2012 9:52 pm
Posts: 0
Free Member
 

I was expecting to see damage at the drop out in the picture. Can we assume there are no marks when it had slipped out, despite a massively tight qr?
+1 for the qr tightening against the axle of something other than the dropout/as well as the dropout.

Edit- too slow...


 
Posted : 27/10/2012 9:54 pm
 Bez
Posts: 7371
Full Member
 

How is a wheel popping out of a vertical dropout? All the forces acting on the wheel are pushing it up or pulling it forwards. Are you *really* sure it's coming out of the dropout? Have you tried putting the wheel in and pulling the rim across by hand to see if you can pull the tyre into the dropout?

Worth repeating that the only decent skewers are internal cam ones like Shimano, though.


 
Posted : 27/10/2012 10:03 pm
Posts: 0
Free Member
Topic starter
 

Bez - Trust me its pulling out. - I’ve tried two - 2! wheel sets and 2 different QRs. the PX ones and American classics.

Looking at the frame on the PX site it looks like the drop outs are slightly forward facing

Showing superficial paint work loss on the outside of the dropout.

This one showing the inside, mech hanger screw has a mark on it. Showing me that there isn’t enough material for the QR to grip.

Edit - photo has bad contrast and unable to see the screws. I only have my phone available atm.

Oh and I should say, If I tighten the QR really tight, the mech hanger moves throwing accurate gear changing out of the window. Never seen that either. Bloody cheap carbon frame I guess.


 
Posted : 27/10/2012 10:15 pm
Posts: 2256
Free Member
 

I have seen this before on a customers Planet X N2A bike. I sold the customer Hope Skewers and they didn't come back to the shop. That isn't quite the same thing as saying that was the solution, as we didn't sell them the bike, so the ultimate responsibility to resolve the issue didn't lie with us.


 
Posted : 27/10/2012 10:23 pm
Posts: 0
Free Member
Topic starter
 

Cheers Waderider, I guess the crux of the problem is that not only paint has worn the carbon has too, making feel unsure of 'safely' riding it.

I guess I will wait until Monday to hear back from PX.


 
Posted : 27/10/2012 10:26 pm
Posts: 0
Free Member
Topic starter
 

I guess im flogging a dead horse here, but just popped in the AC rear wheel with no cassette. There is a gap between the axel and the dropout. This is only on the drive side, the non drive side is perfect... I'd say the dropout was to large.

[URL= http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2327/photo5at.jp g" target="_blank">http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2327/photo5at.jp g"/> [/IMG][/URL]


 
Posted : 27/10/2012 11:01 pm
 Bez
Posts: 7371
Full Member
 

Is the other side the same? ie if you fit the wheel with the axle touching both forward edges of each dropout, is the wheel straight?

A fudge would be a coke can shim, though that doesn't repair the chainstay of course.


 
Posted : 28/10/2012 10:24 am
Posts: 0
Free Member
Topic starter
 

Other side is nice and snug as my other bikes.


 
Posted : 28/10/2012 5:49 pm
Posts: 41395
Free Member
 

either the hub axle is too thin or the dropout slot too big.

In either case....WARRANTY


 
Posted : 28/10/2012 5:51 pm
Posts: 7561
Free Member
 

Janesy. Email me. In profile. We will get it back. I want to have a look. Cheers.


 
Posted : 28/10/2012 5:52 pm
Posts: 1617
Free Member
 

Apart from the worrying gap is the screw head on the inside of the drop out flush with the frame? Looks like one of them is sitting proud.


 
Posted : 28/10/2012 7:25 pm
Posts: 0
Free Member
 

I actually have the opposite problem, where the drive side axle is too large for the dropout ... was about to fix that in the lathe, and thought I'd do a little searching on the web and came across the post. Interestingly, I have another of the exact same model wheel, but 12 months apart, (both Mavic Ksyrium Equipe's), and one of the rear fits in my bike and the other has the too large an axle.

I am suspecting a different size "standard" in play here, but can't really find much on the net about out.


 
Posted : 01/01/2013 11:11 pm

6 DAYS LEFT
We are currently at 95% of our target!