[Closed] Rear Mudhugger = Utter Rubish

what bikes were they on?

Both on chameleon's

Try asssaver extra wide, simple cheap and very light. Nothings 100% but these work for me to keep 80% of the crap from my butt

Mine works great. Perhaps not such a great fit on a chameleon?

Fits perfect it's the shape that causes the problem.

Mine's been fine, on a recent ride people were commenting how clean my cassette and rear mech were compared with theirs.

Assuming that all the crap should get spun off and exit the mudguard out the rear of the bike, I'd take this as a sign that you just weren't riding fast enough.

I have recently started using UBS on my drivetrain. The result is that my cassette, mech and chain look sparkly clean even when the wheels and frame are filthy. Including with the rear Mudhugger on. I don't know how the UBS works but it seems to repel dirt. So that is a possible option for you.

In that case I wouldn't need mudguard at all!!!

What's ubs?

[url= http://www.scottoiler.com/us/products/ultimatebikesolution.html ]Utter Bull Shit[/url]?

Maybe, but it's doing a good job so far, and is the product of choice for most folk I ride with.

Sorry - that wasn't a dig. I've actually heard some good things about it and ScottOiler have a good, well-developed reputation.

That's ok, it doesn't put me up or down if my choices aren't universally approved of 🙂

I was very sceptical too, even after putting it on the first time (imagine spraying skimmed milk all over your bike), but pleasantly impressed so far!

I got one a while back, to replace a crudguard one, but the lack of quick on and off has so far dissuaded me from fitting it. I cant use the crud anymore as not enough seatpost to clamp to with reverb, so have been using a muckynutz butt fender, which is more effective than I expected it to be.

The scottoiler stuff makes a great deal of noise about how it washes off with water... Is that not just basically the definition of completely useless, for the UK?

I bought a set of mudhuggers a couple of weeks ago , after seeing how good they were on mates' bikes.

Done 200+ muddy miles now , love 'em !

Best bit of winter kit I've bought in a long while . 🙂

It builds up over time (allegedly)

Do not even think about fitting the guard without the frame protection seeing that they hardly move they made a mess of my Canyon! Great mudguards but I ride lakeland wet trails so not that much mud around!

I stuck self adhesive foam under mine after seeing the pictures of wear caused by them moving slightly during use.
They came with cable ties which is better than the Velcro they used to supply although the cable ties are not long enough to go around the fork lowers.

I have had plenty of mudguards in the past and never had any problems

So why change then? Surely that's implying you have had problems.

I've got the front and rear with the additional extension for the front. I had to cut an additional pair of slots for the cable ties in the front guard to position it optimally. I've also used frame tape for both front and rear where the ties wrap around the frame. So OK a little bit of effort to set up, they're expensive as they're only bits of moulded plastic at the end of the day but they're great. Very effective and have had them on my bike a few months now whilst seeing daily use.

They're better than that overpriced carbon mudguard which I bought then thankfully saw sense and returned it for a refund.

The back is awful though. For one it looks terrible but I can forgive this and put it down to function over form. Whilst I had a perfectly clean back when I got home (you can argue it's done its job) what I won't be able to get used to is how every piece of mud and drop of water drips off the guard into the back brake and mech/cassette.

so it did it's job, kept you nice and dry and mud free but you got a bit of mud on your brakes and bike, which it's not designed to do?

yep, obviously rubbish 🙄

Nothing wrong with the others I have used. I still have some on two other bikes and others have just looked rubbish or got lost in the garage after taking off after winter. Really though I Just fancied a new set and liked the look of the front one.

Just for those using USB...

The Scottoiler FS365 spray looks to be similar to their USB; but slightly cheaper and a larger bottle; up from 750ml to a litre.

If it was a bit I wouldn't be complaining. I'm not precious over my bike and accept that wear and tear is an inevitable consequence of riding all through winter.

Sounds like you need a full skirt guard. Either that or take up road riding.

This is why I just ride with a muddy arse. No guards at the back means the tyre can spray the mud away, half up my back but I don't care so long as it's not in my face.

Flappy guards by the seatpost just bend and break off. Small ones to protect the shock are no point to me as I don't have a stupid frame that puts the shock in the mud zone 😉 . Likewise front mech, I don't have one.

Mudhugger I kind of was interested in because it attaches to the seatstay so no flappy rubbish, but makes perfect sense that it will just gather the mud inside it clogging up and/or deflect the mud down into the rear mech and brakes.

How do you know I ride in a skirt? I mainly do it on the road bike in the dark.

Really though I Just fancied a new set and liked the look of the front one.

Well just use the front one with whatever you were using on the back before the mudhugger . FWIW I think the front mudhugger is pants but the rear is great , probably depends what type of mud you have .

OP.
If you stay at home when it's wet you'll not only have a clean drivetrain and back brake you'll also save yourself the hassle of having to go outside in the winter.

They look sh!te,I'd rather get muddy........

🙂

OP.
If you stay at home when it's wet you'll not only have a clean drivetrain and back brake you'll also save yourself the hassle of having to go outside in the winter.

Fundamentally yep, your problem isn't the guards OP it's the conditions...

Ride a bike in the mud, it gets muddy, what did you think was going to happen?

They look sh!te,I'd rather get muddy........

I ride in any conditions and most days. I don't mind getting muddy and don't care if the bike gets muddy. All I'm saying is that I didn't expect the mud to fall from the mudguard onto the brakes and gears. I would rather have a muddy back.

I love mine, very effective and easy to fit. Stays put when barrelling down the trail too, which not many do.

I like mine it works really well on the HT. First time in years I get back from a ride with just a bit of mud instead of being covered in it

Less than stellar results on the FS though I think there's too much flex in the back end and the Mudhugger works itself loose

IanC

I cant use the crud anymore as not enough seatpost to clamp to with reverb

Depending on your frame you may be able to use this

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/topeak-defender-m2-rear/rp-prod32474

I used one of them and clamped it to the seatube between the seatpost clamp and the seat stays. Here it is on my old 456

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I use a mudhugger now and never experienced any of the OPs problems and I've ridden in some horrific mud with it. It's sturdy, reasonably stealthy and does what it's supposed to do.

Don't forget to give a picture with your mudhugger on.

here's mine;

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It coped with some proper sticky clay the other day with no problems.

Don't forget to give a picture with your mudhugger on.

Here it is, doing what it does best!

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That fatty looks like a mint sauce bike from days of yore.
In a good way!

Would be good if Single Track did a guard test.
They could fit various makes and a bike with none. Put the riders in those white paper overalls and see who is the cleanest.

Only pic I can find of mine:

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It does still tap the tyre on some landings, but it works brilliantly to keep arse/reverb/etc dry. It's not terribly asthetically pleasing but what mudguard is. Way better than crud guards (and don't have enough post to fit it on the Pyga anyway) and those muddy nutz ones didn't seem to do much at all.

It's still a bit flappy bit of plastic tho (albeit far stiffer than all other offerings I've tried), but if you fit it properly - and use the supplied helitape - and check the zip ties every so often, it's as good as solution as any. Front is pretty good as well mainly keeping crap off the forks.

I finally cracked this year and fitted a mudguard. Really didn't want to, but really glad I have.

drips off the guard into the back brake

Bike gets covered in mud during winter shocker!

Big hugs for my Mudhugger. Ass so dry after GT yesterday, the fact that I had forgotten to pack clane pants for the drive home was no problem, YAY!

Here they are. As I said the front looks ok but that rear looks awful.

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wwaswas - Member

here's mine;

Ooh which one is that then 26 or 29 on the Puffin?

All I'm saying is that I didn't expect the mud to fall from the mudguard onto the brakes and gears. I would rather have a muddy back.

No you said they were "utter rubbish" which is odd seeing as they appear to do the job of keeping your backside and seatpost clean.

Mine is the first MTB mudguard that actually appears to do the job properly 100% of the time.

Granted it might not get on with some bike designs as it's not adjustable.

tom - it's a 29er one. I had to reshape it a bit by heating the end with the seat stay wings and spreading them apart a little but it was easily done and the guys at mughugger are happy for it to be done.

Closer view;

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Just fitted a 29er mudhugger to my Fireline. In REALLY muddy conditions it worked admirably, keeping both my rear/back and reverb free from mud. I use a muckynutz fender bender on front, with a down tube guard too.

I stand by my original statement that it is rubbish. I would rather have a wet back that listen to 20 miles of grinding gears and howling brakes after the slightest sign of a puddle.

stand by my original statement that it is rubbish. I would rather have a wet back that listen to 20 miles of grinding gears and howling brakes after the slightest sign of a puddle.

I don't know what fantasy trails you're riding, but when I'm riding stuff like this, my gears and brakes will be grinding regardless of what mudguard I'm using

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Piece of drinks can over caliper is an "enduro" riders trick

Old winter XCer trick too. Stops snow getting in, melting then re-freezing.

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^ Best off-road guards I've seen in action. Triangulation spars keep them well fixed. Better than the wobbly, poorly-designed POS I have attached to my seatpost at the moment, will be adapting it or binning it before long.

No fantasy trails. I have been using that bike in all conditions since I built it in august. I have been on some rides over the Wyre Forest and Clent and conditions were as muddy in places as I have ever seen them. Of course the gears grind in the mud they are always going to but nothing like they did on yesterday’s ride and yesterday’s ride was nowhere near as muddy as the ride I did last week before I bought the guards. The brakes until yesterday’s ride been silent. One thing of note is that before fitting the rear mudguard, even after a very muddy ride the rear hub, brake and cassette would be pretty much spotless whereas the rest of the bike is covered in mud.

I guess where the water runs off a guard can make a difference to how the clean bike runs in the wet, the run-off of a mudhugger and a crud will be in different areas based on the shape, or depending on what angle you fit them at, what frame they fit to etc. Chains/chainrings get covered in spray off the front wheel anyway.

andysredmini - are you running 26 wheels in a 29er fork/frame? the guards look like they are sitting really high off the tyre. Not saying this is a factor, just looks different to how mine fit, front especially!

I think my rear one works really well. It keeps the crap off me. I've not noticed a difference in dirt of the drive train or brakes.

Wyre and Clent can be very muddy places to ride. The mud gets washed off more up in the Lakes with constant puddles and paths like streams...so not claggy like Clent and Wyre

Surely claggy mud would stick to the guard not drip off into the bike?

They are 26inch wheels in a 26inch wheel frame but he forks are for 650b wheels. That position on the frame seemed about best as the seat stays widen out more than the top of the guard meaning the guard would sit inside the frame.

I think all the mud that did stick ended up making its way down into the back of my shoes.

Its not surprising your having issues with the front one then. For the rear id suggest moving it lower, use a hairdryer to form the mounts to follow the contours of your stays as the manufacturer suggests. Might help mud get 'carried through' rather than drip on the mech. Will prob still land on your feet tho 😆

Mine has been great on both my full sus and hard tail.

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Hey OP, how much?

How much for your Mudhuggers? You don't like them, clearly. So hows about you carry on as you were and I'll buy them off you? This way you can still stand by your original position and retain some dignity.

In 40+ years of off road biking, they're the only ones Ive found to keep my backside and back clean and I'm wanting another set for Mrs Slack's bike for her daily country lane and farm track commute.

PM in profile, cheers.

Great bit of kit overpriced mind IMHO 🙂
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I'll be keeping the front as it is but I'm thinking of modifying the rear one. I reckon I could cut about 200mm off the length and re-shape it and still achive a decent amount of protection.

Not that 'rubbish' then?! 😉

I never said the front was rubbish.

Anyone tried this sort of thing ?

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I think you'd struggle to mount it securely enough with P-clips and also most motorcycles will have a seat/engine/etc blocking a lot of the rest of the wheel spray. I think the thing you illustrate is more about stopping spray going behind than up and forward?

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