[Closed] Radical All Mountain

Looks quite nice, some of the blurb brought back some Sick memories.

Frame aside, that is a terrible name. The sort of name I'd expect to see on a £350 BSO URT full suspension jobby: "RADICAL ALL-MOUNTAIN".

Yeah reminded me a bit of Sick when I looked on the website.

If it's not a Sunn it's not proper Radical.

The colours for the hardtail made me laugh- black pudding and Ian teal. Good luck to them, but from the amount of wincing I did reading their website I guess I'm not the target market. That logo...

Yep, best of luck to them. £1100 for a frame is well up there (£100 more than the 18 Bikes frame) but from an as yet unknown frame builder. I’m sure they’ll sell some but I suspect it’s not an easy market to establish yourself in and not with huge margins when you consider the hours required to make each frame.

No bullshit, then talk about starting a cult. Logo is a bit much, but I’m definitely too old. Uk made and no Kickstarter is all good, so I really hope he does well,

£1100

I just can't help look at these prices be surprised. I know of a couple of custum bmx Fram builders who use decent materials and a frame is £750 for a off the shelf one. I know a little more material but not that much more.

Some mutts just can't be muzzled....

<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">The Chilli Dog is our ultimate hardcore hardtail...</span>

<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">That's right, it’s another cliché... You know; modern, low, slack... yeah, we ticked the boxes.</span>

<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">The Chilli Dog is designed with aggression at the forefront</span>

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Wow.

It's a no from me.

Hi All,

Kieran here from Radical.

Thanks for all the comments! We are a very small independent company manufacturing in the UK.

We are fairly new but have actually already sold to customers all over; UK, EU, even as far as New Zealand! We produced our first batch of frames last year and sold out in pre-orders alone (VERY quickly), which was a great triumph for the amount of work that has gone in to reaching this point.

I for one am not going to ram my products down your throats, or the brands 'personality', it's not for everyone and I am happy to admit that, but there is a market that loves what we do along with our products.

All new small brands get the classic ('that brand before') comments and has become a running joke between us all (OBVIOUSLY I do understand some of these), but, there is a big difference and our customers would be happy to back that up... (They actually got their frames which is a good start eh?!). We have a good turn around time on our frames and our continuous updates are some of the best people have experienced (not my words).

I do have a busy year lined up, with a couple more models in the pipeline, events and a frame due off for product review! Obviously everything is baby steps and structuring growth properly, but it's exciting times.

Big thanks to all of you that have wished me luck, it is not an easy market no, but we are here doing what we love: making awesome bikes!

Thanks!

Nice Podder from Andi Sykes (on his own, not STW) recently with Kieran - an interesting listen.

Some really nice touches and thought gone into the frame.

On the list when I consolidate FS and HT into one bike.

Thanks Beagle, great to hear it and appreciate the kind words.

The podcast is a good listen if you want to learn more. Mr.Skyes is a top guy, on to new exciting ventures for him though!

Yeah, good luck to you, Kieran. Just some of the marketing comments brought the other lot to mind, but if you are getting frames to customers, you're way, way ahead of them already.

The ex demo bike you have for sale on your site and eBay looks nice. Is it intended as a bit of an all rounder or more of a DH machine. Best of luck to you and I wish you every success. Are you sticking with HT models to start with?

Thanks Funkmaster, appreciate it.

The Chilli Dog is aggressive, yes, however (although I hate the cliche), it is an exceptional all rounder. Alot of that is thanks to the correct use of quality tubes (which help trim the fat) and the fact it is more conservative in the length departments.

The fist batch of models are hardtails (only because that's what I personally rode & raced full time on), but there is much more than that coming in the future... I'll leave the rest to your imagination.

I mean they actually sell bikes to people so that makes them very different from Sick! Bikes. Add to that the fact that they look nice and not ugly and that rates them quite a bit higher in the standings than Sick in my books.

And any hardtail with a straight seat tube is a plus point for me, especially one that doesn’t have bottle bosses on it to foul a long dropper post.

We’ll done, bike looks nice

I love the head badge!!!!

holly price batman. A steel frame costing £1100 is a piss take

holly price batman. A steel frame costing £1100 is a piss take

Why?

I see they are from my home town (Reet Mon). Radical All Hill might be more appropriate 😀 Joking aside, the geometry looks good (unless I'm being blind I can't see it on the website though? I saw it on an IG post instead) and good looking frames made from decent steel.
Local manufacturing is always going to cost $$$. My Chromag was welded a few minutes from where I live and retails for double the amount that the off-shore one costs, yet the materials are the same and to be honest the build quality is pretty well the same. And then the custom paint cost $750.... I wanted something different and getting industry pricing on the complete bike (minus the paint) helped. I might well not have paid retail given my salary but I understand why something made in someone's tiny workshop is going to cost more than something fired out from a big production line.

Even if I don't like the logo, it's still a very nice looking frame! £1100 doesn't seem TOO much for an 853 frame from a very small manufacturer- I imagine people for looking for something a bit rarer will go for this. Cheaper than a Curtis or a BTR, but might well appeal to that kind of customer. The small batch manufacture might mean shorter waiting lists, too.

A Taiwan made Stanton is £649, they charge an extra £350 for the UK made one, and that's still only 631, so if you consider "UK made" worth paying for, then I don't think the pricing is too far wide of the mark.

I also am too old for a "RADICAL ALL MOUNTAIN" branded hardtail but it sure does look lovely.

Price wise - how much less work is there in a steel hardtail than a steel full-sus and those generally go for more than double that figure if domestically manufactured. I reckon it's fair especially as it looks like Kieran is having someone else make them so there's 2 layers of mark up in the supply chain. Like buying from Taiwan but err more expensive. It's certainly less than the price of a Curtis which would be a decent comparison.

Best of luck with the brand Kieran. Glad you've sold some and hope that continues.

G

As an ex BMXer from the rider owned anti-factory era and an owner of a few Brooklyn Machine Works/Spooky/FTW BITD I get the "non corporate" identity - I actually liked Sicks approach (apart from them being a bunch of ****s and ribbing people). But sorry 'Radical All Mountain' is such a shit brand name. The font is bloody awful as well.
The frames are nice but I'd have to Nitromors it and run it raw - maybe that's the idea?

^robbing