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If there is ever a chhance of a puncture its me. Always, and walking a bike's the most heartbreaking feeling ever!
Has anyone any excperience with slime tubes? How affective are they?
Also Is it Schwalbe that do punctureless tres? I'm sure i saw them in my LBS once?
P.S Anyone guess where the picture is?!
P.S Anyone guess where the picture is?!
"****in miles from the car"... it always is!
Slime tubes work but after a few punctures they stick to your tyres and dont are a sod to get off if you change your tyres. That or they throw slime out of the valve when you let the air out.
The Schwalbe puncture protected tyres work reasonably well but they aint light.
Since changing to tubeless I have only had one puncture and that was on the very first day when I ripped the sidewall.
None since 3 years on.
No-body ridden the almighty trail before then and recoignises it? 😀 😀
Yeah i considered tubeless, not feeling a change of rims though!
Slime tubes go off after so long if my thinking is correct?
Punctures are a chance to catch your breath while everyone takes the pi**
On recent group rides the last 3 punctures of note have been people running tubeless.(2 tyre repairs and one tube fitted).
Not convinced yet.
Whats worse is i burnt my legs climbing, i get to the top and hey presto, puncture!
looks like high st
By far one of my best XC rides!
The descent is nothing but incredible
Alfine & Flat pedals....
Your bound to get punctures 😉
not at 8pm in october after it's been lashing it down its not.
I'm in love with Alfine,
Anyoone who dares that with clips, I take my hat off to you!
Yeah i considered tubeless, not feeling a change of rims though!
You have heard of http://www.notubes.com/ (and various DIY methods)?
^what a way to make a mess of your rims though!
incase anybody wondered, its the corrieyairack pass between Laggan and Fort Augustus
Scotland.
Corrieyarrick...?
Burma Rd??
I'll go with Burma Rd.
close its the corrieyairack!
Although Burma Rd's here too!
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AArgh - there's your mistake you see. Lifting your bike above your head at the summit - it's the altitude. T'will cause punctures time and again.
Did you go E-W or W-E?
Did you include Glen Roy?
A bit of an aside but that's a wonderfully defined vastus medialis you have there lewismorgan.
never been bothered by punctures. just one of those things.
We travelled from Laggan To Fort Augustus, I.E we rode up the Zig-Zags, and we didn't include Glen Roy primarily as we were all shattered, in a way, wish we did.
And I noticed that! I think its all that climbing has filled my legs with Lactic Acid!
I think Hitler, Nukes and global pollution slightly beat punctures in the history of the worst thing known to man.
Fixin a flat barely registers on the scale.
Get some perspective dude!
Toobs are good. I'm campaigning on behalf of the tube party.
Tubes save your ass when your tubless tyres let you down (literally)
They've been keeping riders propped up for years, so why don't we support them in the same way they've been supporting us?
Why swap 100g of tube for 100g of liquid latex rubber when you're not saving any weight?
And the most important part, how can you wrap liquid latex round your chainstay to protet it when you take it out of your tyre?
I am of course, winding you up. But thanks for taking the time to read this drivel.
"I think Hitler, Nukes and global pollution slightly beat punctures in the history of the worst thing known to man.
Fixin a flat barely registers on the scale.
Get some perspective dude!"
I have a life tip for you,
Get your dictionary, and research the word Sarcasm
Who likes short shorts?
Go tubeless.
I Like short shorts!
Cant beat em for biking!
Mmm short shorts 😉 Doubt i'd look good in them though 🙂
What's a puncture? Vaguely remember them from back in the day when I ran tubes...
^what a way to make a mess of your rims though!
How does it make a mess of you're rims?
Going back to tubes if you don't for some reason like tubeless is a 2 minute job with no damage whatsoever done
unless you're a mechanical clutz, it really is a piece of piss to try tubeless
I hate punctures...nothing ruins the flow of a good ride like a puncture.
I went tubeless yesterday...first test today. At least they stayed up overnight.
I've used the [url= http://www.wiggle.co.uk/slime-atb-26-inch-tyre-liner/ ]slime tyre liners[/url] inside my panaracer fire xc tyres, and have had one puncture in 1,400 miles.
Think the schwalbe puncture protection is winning me over!
I've used slime tubes quite successfully (but they are not for weight weenies). I am particularly impressed with them on my kiddy trailer - it had less chunky tyres than the bike and being wider than the bike is often scraping through the thorny rubbish at the side of the trail. Prior to going slime it was picking up atleast one puncture on almost every trip out. Since going slime its had none.
I've also put them in my bike tyres and lasted well over a year without a puncture (I'd guess that is saving a couple of punctures) - but it might depend what causes the puncture - if it is pinch flats then slime may not cope with that - if its thorns you'll probably be fine.
There are a couple of downsides to slime that might not be too well publicised. (1) if you do get a puncture that slime can't self seal then getting that bit of tube clean enough to use a patch is difficult - probably possible in the garage, but not fun whilst being eaten by midges (2) getting the old tube out can be rather tricky (I think there may be a "right" way to do this [possibly put valve at top to let slime gather at the bottom? but I didn't do this recently and the slime sealed inside the valve - meaning I had to cut the valve off. Because they work so well you may be out of practice changing tubes and forget this bit of the instructions!]
I'd say there are two obvious things to reducing your puncture frequency: (1) run your tyres at higher pressure (2) make sure your tubes are the right size for your tyres [on a recent trip the only person who got punctures was running 1.75-2.1" tubes in 2.2" tyres - they stopped the following day when running larger tubes].
I think some tyres are more puncture resistant than others but none are puncture proof.
Hitler, nukes and globl pollution are worse than punctures but they are next. Definitely.
I rank rides by the number of punctures/distance. Anything less than 3 in 10 miles is a good, almost flat free ride around here. I do use tubeless intermittently but then the flints tend to destroy the tyre which is a) expensive and b) a long walk (especially as I usually ride solo). Bah! Punctures! I curse you. Farmers seem to be cutting thorn hedges already so it's peak season now.
I do use tubeless intermittently but then the flints tend to destroy the tyre
Why would the flint cutting the tyre be any different with or without tubes?
The get you home repair is the same too, I just don't see the issue
having tried MANY different puncture protection and prevention methods, the best thing i have come up with is to get good at taking tyres on and off and MTFU.
slimes are such a faff when they do inevitably give up (they will protect you against thorns, but you WILL rip it
XC 717s with Folding race kings just fall off the rim once deflated, so mending a puncture is a 30 second job.
having tried MANY different puncture protection and prevention methods, the best thing i have come up with is to get good at taking tyres on and off and MTFU
Including tubeless? If you're getting a lot of punctures and tubeless with sealant doesn't improve things you're a klutz.
Including tubeless? If you're getting a lot of punctures and tubeless with sealant doesn't improve things you're a klutz.
Or maybe just maybe, tubeless isn't all its cracked up to be?
Oh crap, I've thought outside the whole marketing bollocks box, am I going to die?
Or maybe just maybe, tubeless isn't all its cracked up to be?
Well it's 'cracked up' to prevent punctures becoming flats, you think it makes the situation worse I take it?
Oh crap, I've thought outside the whole marketing bollocks box
What marketing bollocks is there around 'ghetto' tubeless?
Well it's 'cracked up' to prevent punctures becoming flats, you think it makes the situation worse I take it?
I don't think it makes the situation worse, it tries to fix something that wasn't broken in the first place. Tubes will last forever in your tyre unless you get a puncture and its easy to change tyres. Tubeless tyres need topping up with gloop every 6 or so months because it dries out and it makes changing tyres an arse ache.
What marketing bollocks is there around 'ghetto' tubeless?
I meant tubeless in general, it's supposed to stop flats unless there's a rip and as some people have stated it doesn't work.
What's a puncture? Been running Stans NoTubes for years now and no punctures whatsoever. Even had a huge nail go in, seal instantly and then found it months later when I changed tyres because I heard something going round inside the wheel. I'll never use tubes ever again.
+1 for R.Lepcha
it tries to fix something that wasn't broken in the first place.
So getting punctures isn't "broken"?
Feel free to carry on having to stop to fix punctures if you insist. I'll carry on not getting them with tubeless.
What's a puncture? Been running Stans NoTubes for years now and no punctures whatsoever
That must be just marketing bollox 😆
So getting punctures isn't "broken"?Feel free to carry on having to stop to fix punctures if you insist. I'll carry on not getting them with tubeless.
Clearly tubeless doesn't completely solve this issue though does it, evident from other posters.
That must be just marketing bollox
Some people dont have punctures in tubes for years. So clearly its not just a tubeless thing that one.
Clearly tubeless doesn't completely solve this issue though does it, evident from other posters.
So not being perfect makes it useless, or not worth bothering with? It makes it a huge amount better than with tubes. At least that's my experience - still yet to get as many punctures in the 9 years I've been running tubeless as in the one year before.
Some people dont have punctures in tubes for years.
In which case tubeless may not be that useful for them - for the rest of us it's likely to make a big difference. Strangely the OP seems to be getting lots of punctures, yet he's just as much of a luddite as you.
It makes it a huge amount better than with tubes.
I cant see how it does, it still doesn't completely solve the problem so why try fix something with something that doesn't completely fix the problem?
Seems a waste of time and effort.
yet he's just as much of a luddite as you.
I don't think he is, he doesn't want to change to tubeless as it doesn't solve the issue completely and it would be too much effort.
Anyway you keep running your tubeless wheelset and I'll keep running my tubes, I'll laugh at you when your stood next to me on the trail putting a tube in your tyre and getting gunky latex shit all over the place while I just whip the tube out and put another in.
Eat my trail dust.
Tubeless might be great, and I'm sure it works brilliantly for you. Problem is, It doesn't completely solve the issue, improve it, it might do, but to go through all the hassle, and the ballache of when you do get a puncture with them, there not a good solve.
There more hassle than there worth and for the money, i think a schwalbe punture protection is likely to be more affective.
Your comment seems slightly flawed to me. I agree with R. Lepecha, whats the point in going through the hassle, in order for such minimal gain, people on the forum have stated Tubeless isn't a complete fix!
I suppose the true answer is get a Co2 pump a spare tube, and sort it in seconds!
And "I'll carry on not getting them with tubeless"
I'll carry on laughing when i see you trying to lube your tyres up :')
I cant see how it does
So less than 10% of the punctures isn't "a huge amount better"? 🙄
it still doesn't completely solve the problem so why try fix something with something that doesn't completely fix the problem?
Because it gets pretty close - a lot closer than anything else. I presume you'd also dismiss heart transplants as not worth bothering with because some people still die, low energy bulbs not worth bothering with because they still use some electricity, and education not worth bothering with because some people still can't make objective judgements about stuff?
I'll laugh at you when your stood next to me on the trail putting a tube in your tyre and getting gunky latex shit all over the place while I just whip the tube out and put another in
Good luck with that - you'll have to wait a while. I'll probably have got bored by then with all the time I spend waiting for you to fix punctures.
There more hassle than there worth and for the money, i think a schwalbe punture protection is likely to be more affective
or them puncture tape things, which basically act as the same thing but let you use any tyre but you get the idea!
for such minimal gain
I suppose the true answer is get a Co2 pump a spare tube, and sort it in seconds!
If it's such a non issue, why start this thread?
Because it gets pretty close - a lot closer than anything else. I presume you'd also dismiss heart transplants as not worth bothering with because some people still die, low energy bulbs not worth bothering with because they still use some electricity, and education not worth bothering with because some people still can't make objective judgements about stuff?
Punctures ain't a matter of life and death.
Bulbs save money, tubeless costs money.
Education is needed to produce a product that solves the puncture issue completely.
Foam tyre inserts anyone?
Plus, i'd ather not fiddle with my rims and "Bodge" them to go tubeless,
or buy a set of rims primarily because there tubeless.
I'm just not a fan of the tubeless idea, especially when they do go wrong 🙂
The puncture tapes look good.
I'm not a fan of punctures. Good luck with your alternative "solutions" which don't completely solve the problem - and don't even do as well as tubeless - yet seemingly are worth bothering with. 🙄
you have not mentioned the reason for your puncture (or if you have i missed it)
If a snake bite then tubeless would probably have been ok
The puncture tapes look good.
And are super cheap!
agree to disagree?
yet seemingly are worth bothering with.
Damn sight cheaper and less messy though.
It was a blowout, the rear tyre came down hard!
Plus with tubeless, the alfine means that if you take the wheel off, tensioning it again is a right nightmare! With tubes, you can get them a tube where it just loops round
+1 Tubes
why do you need to take a wheel out when tubless? i don't have to. Puncture that done seal can be fixed with the push through sticky string things.
What are these tubes you are on about that can be fitted without removing a wheel?
Damn sight cheaper and less messy though.
Damn sight less effective (they wouldn't have prevented the OP's original puncture). Damn sight worse tyre performance when using them.
Bothy bikes sel tem!
they are super cheap too!
In that paticular instance, nothing would have prevented my puncture!
how do you not end up with a lump where the ends overlap?
somehow, you don't?
There really quite affectively, and as long as your not moronic and put the tube in using common sense, there a damm good idea
furry muff
In that paticular instance, nothing would have prevented my puncture!
A pinch? Tubeless does quite a good job of that.
I can assure you, it wasn't a pinch. I took off and smashed onto a sharp rock protruding. To be honest it flatspotted the rim.
So you put a hole in the tyre?
nice to see the mature members on here cruz heckler
I battered down the Corrieyairick pass with 4 day's worth of camping gear on my back with ghetto tubeless tyres, punting rocks left right and centre with the back wheel and didn't puncture. I've misjudged drainage ditches and slammed the back wheel into the lip on the other side so hard it loosened spokes, but didn't puncture. Don't dismiss tubeless.
I don't think Schwalbe tyres would prevent pinches, the extra material is underneath the tread, not in the sidewalls. They're also ridiculously heavy. DH tyres would help, as would DH tubes, as would higher pressures.
I can't see how puncture tapes would solve the problem either. Maybe try fatter tyres?