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Wow, that's ugly
Isn't that the ti Hello Dave?
Yeah it's the ti Dave.
Wow the sheer lack of information in that salsa page is breathtaking.
I was out on my Dave yesterday.
I'd love one of these, it wouldn't be much different to the Dave
I can't help wondering if there's any benefit in getting it in Ti over the Dave, and what the lifespan is going to be
I guess it's for if you don't want a 16kg hardtail.
I can’t help wondering if there’s any benefit in getting it in Ti over the Dave, and what the lifespan is going to be
FWIW the on-one will have a 2 year warranty and the Titus a lifetime one...
TBH if it were anyone other than On One I'd have just clicked buy. It looks way nicer once built up, though it's a shame about the broken back- it'd be downright handsome if they'd just straightened it out. It's not like it's gained any top tube clearance by it, with that seatmast/brace. Not going to lie, I'm still tempted!
johnnystorm
Full MemberFWIW the on-one will have a 2 year warranty and the Titus a lifetime one…
And best of luck with either one
10% off if you sign up to the news letter too.
Ah well I suppose you could say, with the 10%, I'm no longer tempted.
TBH if it were anyone other than On One I’d have just clicked buy.
Well… anyone other than Sick.
Light strong cheap pick 2 (Keith Bontager)
I would be tempted to buy one to replace my Sonder Signal ST frame if the Titus wasnt so ugly!
I would be tempted to buy one to replace my Sonder Signal ST frame if the Titus wasnt so ugly!
I think they look good in the flesh.
I think they look good in the flesh.
They may do but unfortunatley i doubt im going to get the chance to see one and im not ordering one to only to return it if i dont like its looks
To be fair the Signal ST is great but i would like it to be lighter!
I think the thicker stays on the Dave out of the seat tube make it look a bit better. My large seems pretty straight top tube to seat stay.
Not too bad tbh.
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Frame is a bit different application than that ST?
I think it looks great. I am seriously tempted by this, especially with that discount.
@lightfighter762 how does it ride?
FWIW the on-one will have a 2 year warranty and the Titus a lifetime one…
Hahahahahahahahaha, by lifetime they mean until it breaks. Then it’s dead. Might be a year, might be 3, who knows? Life is a rollercoaster, just like the product backup from Planet X/OO.
Mega slack head angle with a lack of head tube gussets unlike the HelloDave coupled with being titanium* = no chance. And I own a HelloDave.
Mega slack head angle with a lack of head tube gussets unlike the HelloDave coupled with being titanium* = no chance. And I own a HelloDave.
Have hammered mine for a year now with no problems so far
funkmasterp
Full Member@northwind, did you get one?
I did. Couldn't resist. I figure that the worst that happens is I have another disastrous On One experience and it resets the clock so I can keep badmouthing them for another decade. And it might actually be great, who knows?
Looking forward to the bike build story.
Not just me then! Although I went for a Fireline complete with MRP fork. Always wanted to try a Ti HT. Now I just need to sell my current bike so I can recoup some of the outlay and make room for this one.
The people I spoke to at Planet X were really helpful. Hopefully that’s a good sign as I’ve never bought off them before. Fingers crossed the bike is nice and rides well.
Looking forward to some build pictures when you get yours.
Does the 10% discount work on complete sale bikes?
No idea sorry. I tried it but seems I’ve already signed up at some point in the past
“I figure that the worst that happens is I have another disastrous On One experience and it resets the clock so I can keep badmouthing them for another decade.”
This is excellent logic!
Based on one ride so far around my not particularly gnarly locale on my new Moxie (which is a bit steeper and shorter but lower than the Hello Dave etc) I’d say that it looks a very fun bike!
Most bike reviewers / “experts” don’t really have a clue when it comes to hardtail geometry. They don’t seem to get how big a difference there is between the geometry chart and the actual dynamic geometry on a hardtail and a full-sus - not just sagged vs static but what happens as you ride the bike. A hardtail may look crazy slack of head angle on paper but actually be very normal to ride.
A hardtail may look crazy slack of head angle on paper but actually be very normal to ride.
Totally agree
Yeah, when I got my Ragley Ti, all the internet chat was about how crazily slack it was and how you had to relearn how to ride the bike etc etc, and about how it'd be all about the descending and rubbish on the climbs. All just total cock, it rode like a bike, climbed technical stuff better than any other hardtail I've owned...
I struggle to find that I need 100mm of travel these days but the appeal of building a totally over the top bruiser of a HT is strong with this one - I don’t feel strongly about the design either.
@Northwind - I feel exactly the same. With the exception of a half fat Jones I tried briefly years ago in the FoD bikes just feel like bikes when ridden.
I test rode a Flaremax a while back and despite not owing a full suspension bike or a bike as long (nearly but not quite) it rode surprising like a bike - this is by no means damned with feint praise - I must just be a riding leg end ☺️😉
Actually I did have a weird moment last week when I got on my Levo after a fortnight on the continent pottering about on Dutch bikes. The steering felt so weird that I thought something was broken, like all the air had come out of the shock. By the end of my commute I was back feeling comfortable on a bike that’s pretty average current geometry (65 deg HA but slacker when riding because of how it’s set up).
But MTBs have never been like Dutch bikes! Conversely at the start of that holiday I was very confused by the Dutch bikes but that was 90% down to the coaster brake, which is deeply odd when you tend towards standing up and track-standing! Still at least the front brake wasn’t on the left…
Arrived and seems perfect, really nicely welded and finished. 2170g for the medium, with the axle. Just realised it cost me less than I sold my old Ragley Ti for so I'm claiming it as fiscal responsibility
The headset I have for it is a 2 degree Works, I'm not sure I'm ready for a 60 degree hardtail!
The headset I have for it is a 2 degree Works, I’m not sure I’m ready for a 60 degree hardtail!
Fit it the other way? For clarity, I mean the headset, not the fork. 😘
Well played
Fit it the other way? For clarity, I mean the headset, not the fork. 😘
@northwind did you get a complimentary t-shirt when they were a thing? 🙂
“ 2170g for the medium, with the axle.”
I was thinking your scales were v optimistic and then remembered it’s titanium! Full 29? What fork?
It'll be full 29- though I do have a 650b rear I'll try in it. Fork will either be my Pikes- which I don't really like much- or a set of MRP Ribbon coils I have.
Basically I'm going to build it with all the bits on my remedy, then it's going into a complicated tug of love with the Remedy, my Rocketmax, and a Solarismax to decide which 2 get to stay. Nice problems to have!
@Tallmartin I bought two, it was for charity after all! Was funny seeing people walking around Alpe d'Huez with them on.
Received my Fireline on Sunday and the frame and welds are fantastic. The Selcof dropper seems good too and has a really nice lever. The only real downside is the tyres. Really impressed with the frame.
I’ve been faffing with the fork and, as daft as this sounds, it’s proving tricky to get the sag right. Looking forward to taking it out for its first ride at some point this week.
“ I’ve been faffing with the fork and, as daft as this sounds, it’s proving tricky to get the sag right.”
I wouldn’t worry much about the fork sag - when you’re static the bushing stockroom/friction can make it really hard to get an accurate reading, especially as head angles get slacker.
If you really care then the best solution I’ve found is track standing next to a wall, bouncing, then holding one elbow against the wall to stop you falling over whilst you push the o-ring down without changing your weight distribution at all, 99% on pedals, brakes off, no drivetrain tension. And then repeat that a couple of times and take the mean.
If it feels right on the trail and you’re using a sensible amount of travel then you’re sorted - that could read anything between 10% and 30% sag when measuring at home.
Yah, sag is a useful indicator for setup but it's not really that important in itself. Basically you should never compromise the rest of the setup at all to get the sag right, sag should generally just sort of come right if the rest of the setup is right. And if it's not then it implies some other issue, but as long you you've got some sag, and not too much, it's generally fine.
Basically you should never compromise the rest of the setup at all to get the sag right, sag should generally just sort of come right if the rest of the setup is right.
isnt this almost EXACTLY the opposite of what all suspension experts tell you?
obviously there is a bit of debate about accuracy of sag measurements in the home but it is quite important as spring rate etc is key to suspension working nicely - damping is secondary to control the spring.
you need to ride to fork to see if the spring rate is right but dont use compression damping to mask a too soft spring rate as you just get spiking or diving. Obviously preference comes into this as one persons perfect setup is anothers wallowy bathtub but the general gist is the 20% sag and go from there depending on your preference.
VanHalen
Full Memberobviously there is a bit of debate about accuracy of sag measurements in the home but it is quite important as spring rate etc is key to suspension working nicely – damping is secondary to control the spring.
Spring rate yes but correct spring rate =/ "correct" sag, especially in air forks where you're dealing with progressivity etc (and also stiction, which really can make a srprisingly big difference). Sag is a product of spring rate which makes it a really useful starting point for setup but it's more important that the spring is working correctly for you when working it hard.
Ideally you get them both perfect to your preferences, which is sometimes possible with tokens, ramp controls and whatnot.
Done the lean on wall and messing about bit. I just think Northwind should swap his Pike for my Raven 😀
Hoping to get my first ride on the Fireline tomorrow.
I’m very tempted by one of these to swap over from the big dog. Iv always hankered after a ti hardtail and would like to fit a decently wide tyre which you can’t with the big dog.
The only thing that puts me off slightly is the long stays.
How do people find them? Is the front a particular pain to lift or do you soon acclimatise to it?
I’m used to slack as I have a stumpy evo and to be fair the stays aren’t much shorter.