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cool, sounds like the lifeline one will be fine then. I was just a bit concerned about what crashtestmonkey and then Brant wrote
I used the Lifeline one too. No probs.
I got the Lifeline one as well but had to press it in, there's no way it would just push in with my fingers, which is what I was expecting. Works fine though!!
Sounds like there may be some tolerance issues with the headtube as well as the seatube 😯
Hmmm does he not state the lifeline is a different size 🙄
Sounds like there may be some tolerance issues with the headtube as well as the seatube
i was tempted at first, for a winter build project, sounds like a total nightmare now though
Specs on planet x site for said FSA headset states 52mm ID for bottom bearing , not 51.8 brant ?
Maybe the fact that the supplied headset is a caged bearing type and not a sealed bearing type as shown ??
Lifeline says 52.2 mm .... end of the day you make your choice and the FSA one was the wrong one for my london road !
Puts me off further planet X purchases after this 🙁
I posted the spec of the FSA No.42 on the previous page.
Bearing is 51.8mm, Headtube bore is 52.1mm.
I haven't worked for Planet X for nearly a year, so I'm sorry if I'm just confusing matters.
When I designed that frame, it was for an FSA No.42 ACB headset. Not the spec of the lifeline one.
Things may have changed.
Over and out.
and that told me 🙂
I'm still well happy with mine, seat post clamps up nicely and the headset all works fine, even if it is the wrong one. Cracking F&F's if you ask me. Especially for £150!!
But then I seem to be one of the lucky few who has never had a problem with planet x /On One and I've had 3 frames off them. And I ride a 2010 Ragley Blue pig which is also bang on.
I'd still say go for it dirtyrider.
Okay I'm a little bit wiser but still confused!
My understanding so far:
The Wiggle Lifeline headset is slightly the wrong size but appears to work
The FSA No.42 is what the frame was designed for but nobody seems to like the caged bearings.
So if I try and find and alternative to the two headsets above, am I right in thinking the headset needs to meet the following spec:
Upper Headset IS 42 / 28.6
Lower Headset IS 52 / 40 (45 deg)?
Have I got this right or either a)I'm missing something or b) I've totally got this wrong!
Rang PX this morning to be reassured about the headset and seat tube,they say the headset is an industry standard and nothing one off and they have no knowledge at this time of any other QC issues on the frame and if there are any they will refund in full with postage ...at this price £149 I pulled the trigger there just are so few framsets with this many features out there and NONE at this price. fingers crossed.
No knowledge except the emails and photos sent by people in this thread that haven't been answered yet, obviously. Customer service is what you do after the sale, not the promises you make before.
I'll update with progress and outcome, hope you get a decent frame.
Well hopefully my making inquiry's and quoting your predicament will focus PX on the issues you and a few others have.
Good luck.
no reply to my email from Tuesday yet
[i]the headset is an industry standard[/i]
and we all know how few of those there are 😉
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They had the bb width wrong in the specs, so less chance with the headset 🙂
Still like mine*
*provided I'm not going to die due to wrong headset or seat post related issues
I ended up fitting the bottom bearing and crown race I had spare from some random Cheapo headset I'd bought for another bike, and I bought [url= http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/HSOOINT/on-one-integrated-headset ]This for a tenner[/url] for the top bearing/race... all seems to fit together and run smoothly thus far (Not finished assembling or ridden the bike yet though)...
+1 Jeff, other than automated email saying its "high priority"...
Been asked to send it back to progress the case... don't want to do this if they are going to say it's fine...
headset.. this fits http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/brand-x-headset-integrated-tapered-steerer/rp-prod130924
😉
Been asked to send it back to progress the case
Theyve asked me to return mine (which I was already doing) but have also said they've pulled all the remaining stock to be QC'ed and have passed it up the chain so not just a pro forma "we're looking into it" response.
flybywire, it shouldn't as its the same spec (probably the same headset) as the Wiggle/Lifeline which has a larger diameter than the FSA spec the L-R needs according to Brant.
Guys, the headset is FSA Orbit C-40 No.42 ACB Tapered Headset, it's a standard part we use it on nearly all of our tapered/integrated frames. Maybe a dozen frames in our line-up use it, my Viner Volterra included.
I suspect 0.4mm nominally oversized (and the bearing is less than that) may allow some bearings to fit some frames given the frame tolerances and the bearing tolerances.
Other frame and bearing combinations with the same nominal sizes may not fit.
The Lifeline headset (52.2mm) has a nominal 52.0mm bearing I think. The FSA is a nominal 51.8mm. The frames are 52mm cups - no?
I reckon if it goes in by finger pressure you're ok - if you need a mallet, get a different headset.
Others may disagree.
well put igm - the lower race on that brand-x generic type pushes in easily no excess pressure needed to apply.
If anyone's planning on building up one of these frames and is looking for build kit, in the next few days I'll have a complete Sora 2x9 drivetrain and a set of Specialized Axis disc brake 700c wheels for sale.
They will be getting removed from a new bike so will be in prefect condition and going for sensible price.
If anyone's interested, my email is in my profile.
Possibly a stupid question but for those with the lifeline headset, did you end up with some leftover bits? Having a practice assembly, working from bottom to top I have:
The crown race (thin black split ring)
The bottom bearing unit
The corresponding top bearing unit
The top race (silver split ring)
The black domed thing with the writing on
Star fangled nut
Stem cap
I'm left with thicker black ring with a rim around it (best I can do description wise) and a thin silver washer in a separate bag. Any ideas where these go?
FWIW, looks like the bearings will go in with hand pressure
Dan
@ Swdan , the black ring with the rim around goes underneath the domed black cover with writing on it and on top of the silver split ring if if that makes sense ?
The crown race (thin black split ring)
The bottom bearing unit
The corresponding top bearing unit
The top race (silver split ring)
black ring with rim around
The black domed thing with the writing on
Star fangled nut
Stem cap
the thin washers i still have in the bag ????
thin silver washer goes on top of the upper silver split ring.
The black ring with a rim (rubberised?) sits on top of that, then the domed thing on top.
Awesome, cheers guys. Have just packed the frame back up so will give that a go tomorrow. Didn't think I should have spare bits and was surprised there wasn't a parts list or installation instructions with it. Also, I'm sure all those bits have proper names but glad you knew what I meant
Actually not sure that works, it doesn't seem to fit unless I'm being an idiot. Its a fairly thick black ring which then has a wide rim around it, probably 3 or 4mm wide. The only rubberised bit I can find is on the bottom of the domed bit which has "lifeline" written on it
Hmmm, can you post or email pics? Email in my profile...
Bah. They have run out of large.
If anyone wants to flog one let me know!
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Not sure. It's not some sort of collar tho convert straight after tho taper is it? What does it look like inside?
That's what I was thinking. Its smooth on the inside and the internal diameter fits over the steerer up until it tapers. The external diameter (excluding the lip) fits inside the lower bearing assembly. Was just confused as couldn't work out where it went.
Its also not shown in the image on the wiggle website so reckon its a mystery piece that found it's way into the box
Massive confusion on the headset front, there appear to be two FSA orbit c 40 no 42 headsets but one is designated "ACB" the other "caged bearing"
(ACB) being the correct one, to make maters worse i think the PX web site "may" be wrong as they don't list the correct headset in the components section and I think the picture they have for the incorrect one is actually the pic for the correct one ..... 😥
Had several emails updating me on progress of return, culminating in 2 within 45 minutes this afternoon confirming a replacement has been shipped.
Fingers crossed as since the cat got out the bag Munqe chick is excited about building it up.
Fingers crossed chap!
Mine arrived seatpost is not a tight fit but snugs up with clamp it does not rattle around like yous.
Yeah, hope it works out. I'm supposed to be taking my build slow and sourcing cheap bits but did decide to rush order a seat post and headset to make sure it's all OK. Currently waiting on the seat post but hopefully all good as have grown quite fond out it.
so, P-X reassured me with this
John Scholey (Staff) Posted On: 08 June 2015 11:51 AM
HiThank you for bringing this to our attention.
I have raised this with the management, and requested that the remaining frames are take down for quality check. We're currently awaiting confirmation from the head of the Design team with regards to this.
In the meantime, please send the frameset back to us, following the returns policy as outlined in the following link.
http://www.planetx.co.uk/help/returns-and-refunds
Please fill out the on-line form and submit a copy with the item you return to us.
It will allow us to process your case efficiently. We will update you when we receive your item.
Kind Regards
and today, the replacement frame came
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still painfully out of spec, and damaged to boot 😯 . Bravo, Planet X, Bravo. They haven't checked my replacement (which I specifically asked them to do) let alone the rest of the stock. Or, maybe they have, and sloppy drop-it-in-and-waggle-it-about tolerances and damage are acceptable?
And now I'm in a grump having got excited about it it'll be going back and refund time! Best return the £300's worth of stuff from CRC and the bits from Ribble. Shame Mr MC (crashtestmonkey) was excited about helping and teaching me build it. Clearly invest in a company who check their product prior to sending it out! I'm not shimming or "fixing" something that's brand new.. That's just stupid! Back to the CX drawing board hunt ... Anyone got any other ideas?
That looks about bob on surely? Considering it's not clamped
It waggles and waggles a lot still!
To be honest that looks the same as mine and i would not expect anything tighter, many a time i have let my seat clamp off on a bike to have the stem fall,
We currently have 11 bikes in the garage. I've been riding over 20 years. I have NEVER had a seatpost that can be waggled and rattled around inside a seat tube for its whole length. Sure I could crank up a clamp and make it fit, but then there'd only be 15mm of seat tube (the bit under the clamp) supporting it, and even P-X apparently recommend against using shims.
Maybe I have more exacting standards than those who have bought one and have been happy winding up a clamp, but that's not made to any tolerance I'd accept and the fact its got a clear gouge in it suggests either it wasn't inspected, or they think that's good enough to use as a replacement to satisfy an unhappy customer.
I tried a 31.6 seat post in my frame last night (thought I'd better bite the bullet and give it a go) and whilst not super snug it seems OK. Its actually a similar fit to my Uncle John and I've never had any problems with that frame either. In fact once a bit of grit and road crap gets worked in there over several rides I'm sure it will be an even tighter fit. 😀
Out of interest crashtestmonkeywhat size were both frames?
it occurs to me that the seat tube might be the same internally butted ptofile used for all sizes and parted off at whatever point the frame size required... Hence smaller sizes end up out of spec?
It is a small.
A quick search can reveal that px have had one or to issues along this line .....
http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/seat-post-inner-diameter-too-big-onone-scandal
I think if your unhappy go for the full refund as you will never trust it.
Hmmm...
Anyone got this issue with any of the bigger sizes? Mine is a large, just took the shim/post/clamp off measured with my utterly uncalibrated calipers, came out on the high side at ~31.76 and there does seem to be a bit of waggle on the shim now I look at it...
The clamp seems to hold it securely but I am not so sure I want to ride this setup TBH, as my build is taking time and I like the frame otherwise I have just ordered [url= http://m.ebay.com/itm/391150885676 ]this 31.8mm post[/url] as a possible "fix"...
I shall post it's success or failure in due course.
it occurs to me that the seat tube might be the same internally butted ptofile used for all sizes and parted off at whatever point the frame size required... Hence smaller sizes end up out of spec?
I doubt that!
But I have seen a manufacturer shim out a crown race with insulating tape...
They do these as a full build, don't they? So what are the odds none of their builders has put a seatpost in a frame and gone "well that's not right".
I'm 90% sure mine sizes up at 31.8 now and a tenner to find out for sure seems acceptable to me.
I shall report my findings next week.
I just went to check my other two frames a trek cobia and a revolution country traveler and there is no difference both seats drop the moment you let off the seat clamp and both are to similar tolerances.
Northwind - Member
They do these as a full build, don't they? So what are the odds none of their builders has put a seatpost in a frame and gone "well that's not right".
Quite possible, but maybe it's only the silver ones that are out of spec, Friday afternoon jobs, has anyone ordered a full build in boring silver rather than stealth black or euro-fluro green?
Anyone who bought a full build noticed any slop?
Measured mine with a caliper and its a solid 31.8something.
Northwind not sure what you're saying? That because these frames are getting built by someone paid to build them and punt them out that I'm wrong and the spec is obviously acceptable, or that they are shipping similarly poorly specced full builds that buyers won't be aware of as the clamps will have been cranked down and pinched up the top of the seat tube?
If that's built to tolerance then I guess I'm returning my Orange, Dialled, Lapierre, Giant, Cube, Saracen and Konas that are all obviously under specced...
A 31.8 may well fit and work. Sadly that's not what P-X are selling it as.
And I get that the gouge is cosmetic and would be hidden under the clamp, but this is a replacement frame FFS you might think they'd make a bit of effort, especially as they've supposedly pulled and inspected ALL their frames?
As you say Wicki, I've lost what little faith I had in P-X. And as I've said it's not just drop straight in, it's waggle from side to side and rattle full length against inside of tube.
crashtestmonkey - Memberthat they are shipping similarly poorly specced full builds
This. It'll be like the C456s with the wrong bolts, every customer that notices it find that PX/On One are surprised and shocked and it's definitely a one off and they'll stop it ever happening again. For about 6 months.
I bought a full build zesty lime in a size medium about a month ago and everything is fine. I've altered the seat post height when it first arrived and nothing has moved since I tightened it back up with my torque wrench.
Started to build the frame up disc mount threads on the fork of a really poor quality and not excepting bolts, Haven't tried to force it in but contacted PX ....they have asked for pics.
I wonder if this is a new supplier to PX QC would appear to be an issue on this batch.
No seat post or thread problems building mine up. Finally got out on a decent ride yesterday.
Built up 1x11 with Shimano 5800 levers, short cage mech and 11-32 cassette, have run a full length outer to rear mech. RS500 cranks with Hope 40t narrow/wide. PX post, bars and stem. Kinesis CX disc wheels and Conti Cyclocross speed tyres. TRP Spyres.
Still playing with bar and stem set up. And yes, I know the bar tape doesn't match the logos...
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I really like how it rides, did 25 miles with about 6 miles on gravel/hardpack. Don't have many big climbs around here, so thought I'd try it 1x11. May change to a 42 or 44t front ring at some point, will get a few more rides in first.
Bike looks great! I actually like the silver,
Is that a large?
Yep, large.
The thread in forks might just need a tap running through to clear there's paint or swarf stopping bolt?
Very nice build!
Very nice, am about to buy a stem and bars for mine and was looking at planet x. What ones did you go for and what size? Have never specced up a bike before, just ridden what I'm given. I'm 6'1" but have fairly long arms so was thinking of going for a 110mm stem on my large frame
I'm running 100mm stem, seat post has 12mm layback, was just one of their cheap ones. Bars, again, are just some cheap PX ones, Strada compacts I think, they're only a shallow drop which suits me. If it helps, I'm exactly 6ft with fairly long arms.
On the subject of this frame, what are all the extra tapped holes for?
And would you put a screw in there to seal them before use?
There are 2 on the outer legs of the fors, never seen those before- panniers?
Very nice Adam 🙂 Saving up for the Kinesis wheels myself.
Bars, the Selcof £20 carbon wrap ones from PX are great. Love the shallow ergo drop and only 250g.
I spent most of the half price frame saving on a pair of tyres. Compass Barlow Pass 38c, there's a thread running about them. Tubeless 38/45psi. 370g, Sublime. Still at least 10mm more clearance too.
If you ever want a proper fast road tyre that can also handle your sudden darting off down a gravel track or bridleway then these are rather special. Sidewalls are a risk but they've handled the roughest SDW descents so far.
SKS 45mm touring guards hanging on the wall ready for winter.
And I get that the gouge is cosmetic and would be hidden under the clamp, but this is a replacement frame FFS you might think they'd make a bit of effort, especially as they've supposedly pulled and inspected ALL their frames?
IMO that is being picky, it is a tiny, hidden cosmetic mark on a £150 frame.
On the subject of this frame, what are all the extra tapped holes for?
And would you put a screw in there to seal them before use?
There are 2 on the outer legs of the fors, never seen those before- panniers?
My understanding is that they are there so you can mount mudguards without the stays interfering with the brake calliper
IMO that is being picky, it is a tiny, hidden cosmetic mark on a £150 frame
I'd already addressed that before anyone else highlighted it, but the point is it's a £300rrp frame, and a clearly visible defect in the only place they're expecting me to care about and double-check, and they claimed to have inspected prior to shipping. A quick open of the box, a "oh he's a fussy bugger best send him a different one" and, oh maybe try a seatpost for fit?
If it was listed as "half price shop soiled" then I'd have gone into the purchase with a different attitude, but they are listing and selling the frame in every other colour as £300 which is consistent with the competition (eg Arkose) and it's only reduced in silver.
You say I'm picky, IMO there are obviously lot of people buying bikes and frames who have far lower standards than me-there's plenty of "oh it nipped up fine" replies to which I think come back in 2 years when it's cracked at the seat tube junction and let us know how P-X are handling it - and I do wonder if people are as accepting of poor quality with other purchases, or is it just cycling, or just brands like P-X?
Yours is a very similar set up to mine Adam although mine is in lime and therefore better 🙂 I only had a 90mm stem lying about when I built mine and it's a bit twitchy so will fit a 100 or 110mm one I think.
Still loving mine, but i'm gonna check the seat post thing when I get home. Mines a medium so i'll see if it's got any waggle, although the seat post hasn't moved since fitting it a month or so ago and commuting 16 miles 3 times a week.
It's really nice to ride, superfast on canal towpaths and i'm really getting used to the drop position on my midge bars. On my road bike i hardly used the drops because i could never get comfy for long periods, but the midge bars being shallower and flared seem really nice. I think this bike fits me better than a full on road bike and i can now vary my commute much more with off road stuff as well.
Also got a Large here, currently part built with a 60mm stem and the same PX strada bars, I'm 5'10 and I'm thinking I might need to go a bit longer and have an 80mm stem, the frame sizes up quite similar to my M/L Merida Road bike, except the front end actually looks a little lower even with 35C tyres on it...
Looks quite "Racey" (sat on the workstand)...
For me such a short stem would mean the steering would be too hyperactive - mine feels twitchy at 90mm (also a large frame) so I'd definitely try one longer than 60mm.
Mine's all stripped down and ready to go back 🙁
Large also at just under 6ft have fitted a 100mm stem and the strada bars are a nice reach. 31.6mm seatpost is slightly loose but no issue.
Has one clearcoated over paint defect on bb shell = no probs, PX deliver value & general good quality imo :-).
Waiting for mavic wheelset & finishing kit installation to complete (silver/black bar tape looks good).
I Agree with crashtestmonkey Items need to be fit for purpose, frankly I am sick of cheap Chinese Asian tat being not fit for purpose, Yesterday i purchased a Silverline tap and die set to sort the forks I had to return it as I was not fit for purpose.
A huge transfer of wealth is being sent east at the cost of western jobs for items so shoody as to beggar belife most often people dont complain its like stealing your money.
As to it being a cheap frame it originally was 299 not so cheap had I known the grief I was going to have I would have purchased a Genisis Vapour or CDA at a simalar price but I wanted the particular advantages this frame offered wide clearance 135 mm spacing rack and guard mounts etc I had also like CTM purchased parts that made sending it back for refund awkward.
I doubt I will be returning to PX in the future.