[Closed] PSA: Manitou Mattoc Pro 2, £399 @ CRC

Anyone know how easy is it to change the travel? Bargain but I want 140mm ideally. Says changeable to 140 or 150 with supplied spacers.

If we're doing PSAs on forks, Freeborn have the McQueen (Boost) at £360:

http://www.freeborn.co.uk/x-fusion-mcqueen-27-5-boost

I picked one up, seems pretty good, though not had much chance to try it out properly.

The roughcut damper is an additional £100.

Stu,

Very easy with the tool kit, particularly the thin walled socket to remove the lowers. It's not impossible to do without it though. You can use an allan key but it's a bit of a faff to get them back together doing it that way.

The cut out cassette lock ring tool tool helps too as you don't have to remove any thing to get the air shaft apart but you can still use a park cassette tool(think it's an fr-5 from memory) which has quite a deep opening inside which clears the air valve but you need to take the rubber bumper off first.
Obviously you need grease and oil to reassemble them too.

If you get a pair and are near Huddersfield you are welcome to use my tools as they are not cheap.

I can recommend the forks. Had the first version, they had a creaky csu so we're replaced recently with the 2s which shouldn't feel any different but seem better. Smoother and better damped. They are a match for my pikes on the other bike.

oldnpastit - Member

I picked one up, seems pretty good, though not had much chance to try it out properly.

How does it feel stiffness wise?

I'm really happy with my mattoc with the IRT kit - can't tell the difference between the pike and the mattoc in stiffness terms but then I'm not a pro or a tester or a fat ****.

Don't put em on [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/todays-ebay-find ]backwards[/url] though eh.

Back in stock now. Are these any good?

I've got 2 of these forks
I really rate them, especially with the IRT. Easy to service and lots of help via mtbr forum.

I notice that the description says "internally adjustable to 150mm or 140mm using the supplied travel spacers" but in the questions below someone from CRC states that "These forks are not supplied with travel spacers". Worth bearing in mind if you don't want 160mm travel.

Thanks for the heads-up roverpig

These are down to £349 today. I've just ordered some so will see if the spacers are supplied or not.

Looks like you can get them as a separate kit anyway for around £20.

No problem. It will be interesting to see what turns up. I suspect the CRC guy could have been getting confused between travel adjust spacers and the IVA kit that has spacers to adjust the volume of the air chamber (and presumably isn't included). It's a great price either way.

What's the clearance like in these? Would 27.5+ wheels/tyres work?

Does perhaps anyone know - if you change the travel on these - does it affect the A2C measurement?

Hi the travel spacers are only needed to reduce travel. They should be included.

Changing travel changes a2c measurement. Travel spacers are 10mm so a2c changes according.

For plus tyres that fit see the mtbr suspension forum. There's a mattoc thread that shows what plus tyres some people are using.

Cheers

Thanks!

I'm slightly pissed off that I ordered some of these forks last Wednesday at £399 and now they're £50 cheaper 🙄

Have you used them? Send them back?

Did you get travel spacers?

I ordered some when I posted this thread but they cancelled my order 🙁

Reordered at new price and mine should be despatched today, hopefully...

A shame they keep putting the brace on the wrong side - means a lot of people overlook a perfectly good fork because it looks awful.

I know it's good engineering but it just looks wrong from the riding position when you look down on it

Mine haven't arrived yet. If I can't get the new price applied to my order I might just send them back and buy some more.

Never ride with a Lefty 😉

Tbh, after riding a pair of Bluto's with a 4"+ tyre in them *all* fork/tyre comobos look wrong in a "Surely, there's just not enough rubber there to give any sort of grip" kind of way.

Why does the brace on the rear look awful? It looks better plus it means less mud, stones etc get to the stanchions as the brace intercepts them first.

dlr - Member
Why does the brace on the rear look awful? It looks better plus it means less mud, stones etc get to the stanchions as the brace intercepts them first.

it has very good practical and engineering reasons to be that way but it just looks wrong sorry. No real idea why but I just couldn't get on with the way it looks from the "cockpit" when I tried a mates Travis DH forks many years ago. It's like there's no arch and they're going to move independently - much like an USD fork 😆

For a sport that tries to portray itself as a bit rebellious I'm always amazed at how conservative most MTBers seem to be. If it looks different then it's wrong. I remember when 29ers first hit the market and everyone claimed they looked gopping etc. Not they look normal and I dare say any new 26" bike would look wrong. If all forks had the arch on the back I dare say we'd have people refusing to buy one with the arch on the front because it didn't look right. We're a funny bunch.

CRC have been very good, as I just missed out on the price reduction they've given me a £50 voucher

I've just received mine. They came in a proper Manitou box with travel reduction spacers included and some stickers in different colours.

Ooh, what colours ? Silly as it undoubtedly is, one of the things that puts me off sticking a pair of these on my old Five is that the red wont go well with neon orange 😳

Black, white, green and red. The "M" stickers look to be the same size as on the fork but the spare "Manitou" stickers look bigger than the ones on the fork.

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I'm excited now 😀

Ooh great news that they come with the spacers (and stickers!)

I'm excited too 😀 Anyone have the tool kit to do the travel adjust and can confirm it works? It gets poorly reviewed on CR with people saying the cassette tool thingy doesn't fit...

Mine have just been despatched 🙂

Yeah the tool kit is supposed to be pants, it's bad enough that it's £40 for the 3 tools but I already have a flat ground 24mm socket so I'm effectively paying £40 for a thin walled socket 🙁

Pimped bars & stem last week and now new forks Steve - you must have been saving hard for that engagement ring ! 🙂

Marcus stop stalking me you weirdo 😀 I already had the stem, but yes it's been a frivolous week.

See my post further up about the tool kit. I think the people saying the cassette tool is poor have likely been sent the wrong cut out freewheel tool which has narrower splines rather than the cassette tool. Mine works fine.

IVA adjust included?

cheers simonhuscroft,

I've just ordered the CRC one too so fingers crossed it will work OK.

just bought a set as well... hopefully travel spacers are included as i need to drop it to 140 for the winter hardtail..

The travel spacers are included, not sure about the IVA tokens though?

This is what came in the box...I think the black plastic bits are the travel spacers.
What are the metal bits?

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Forks are fitted with the IVA cartridge, no idea if there are any tokens in there I've not had a look.
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https://www.rosebikes.co.uk/article/x-fusion-x-fusion-sweep-rl2--mtb-suspension-fork-275/aid:810648?channable=e8596.ODEwNjQ4&utm_campaign=810648&utm_content=&utm_source=criteo&utm_medium=display&utm_term=

X FUSION X-Fusion Sweep RL2 MTB suspension fork 27,5 £242

Those x fusion forks are amazing value. I have a set and can't believe they're selling them that cheap

Tokens should be attached to the lower of the Iva top cap. They stay inside the air shaft. Amount above or below the seal in there determines how much air volume is reduced.
Makes more sense when you take it out.

Black plastic bits in the bags are for reducing travel.

Can’t remember what the other bits are for. Maybe for when the travel Is upped to 170 for 26’’?

Thanks Simon, the metal bits are for the travel reduction 150 & 140mm.

Mine has arrived and can double confirm the travel spacers are included. Also looks like the ambiguous answer to the question on CRC has gone so I guess there was confusion there.

Lovely looking forks - wasn't expecting them to look so good for some reason. Can't wait to try them.

Keen to try mine too but I need to get some wheels before I can complete my first 27.5 build.

I see it says the brakes are 180mm by default. What if you have hope 183mm rotors? Is it ok just to stick 3mm of washers under the calliper ?

This is what came in the box...I think the black plastic bits are the travel spacers.
What are the metal bits?

that's the HBO - when you convert between 26/27.5 you have to change the HBO. So the 27.5 fork will have the 26 HBO and vice versa.

So could you convert these forks to 26 ?

You can convert to 26 if needed. The offset is in the fork crown though. In terms of a2c height there's not much difference between 27.5 and 26.
Cheers

If you look at the mtbr forum shocks-suspension there is an active mattoc thread which has loads of info on servicing, changing travel etc.

roverpig - Member

So could you convert these forks to 26 ?

lowers them by 10mm it also means you can run them at 170. I'm running them as 27.5 on my 26

Thanks. I'm toying with sticking a pair of these on a 26" Five. The current Fox Float 32s are not exactly the stiffest thing in town. My concern is that, even lowering these to 140mm, it's still going to increase A-C by around 25mm. Now I did have a pair of 26" 150mm Pikes on there in the past, which have around the same A-C as the Mattocs at 140 and I actually preferred them. But still, it would be good if there was the option to decrease the A-C a bit more if it did prove too much.

Mine turned up yesterday. very very nice set of forks. can't wait to get the travel reduced and put on the bike.

Seems like CRC are flush with great 160mm forks with the Mattoc @ £315 (with BC discount) and Pike RCT3 for £374... Not much more... I like Manitou but I also like the build quality and parts availability of Rockshox, what to do!

My concern is that, even lowering these to 140mm, it's still going to increase A-C by around 25mm.

Eldest_oab has some Marzocchi AM1 SL's on, probably the longest A-C forks around. They don't slow him down any....

Just bought some x fusion sweeps for £241 if you want another option. Rose bikes:

https://www.rosebikes.co.uk/products/brand/x-fusion/

Made a nice upgrade from my old Lyrik. If anyone doesn't want their white decals I'd happily throw them a few quid for spares!

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tom - are you selling the lyrik?

Made a nice upgrade from my old Lyrik. If anyone doesn't want their white decals I'd happily throw them a few quid for spares!

I've been considering some of these and will be doing the same 'upgrade' but those stantions look really spindly compared to the Lyrik's. ❓

Just thinking about this, is this is a clever move by Manitou? Fill the aftermarket with a [s]cheap[/s] affordable (and actually pretty damn good) fork, supply it to everyone's favourite online retailer, and let the talking and sightings lift the Manitou name again.

Test riding mine tonight. they feel ace in the parking lot test. far burlier than they look in that pic as well.

They're only 1 mm skinnier than the Lyrik stanchions, I think the black slenderises them a bit. If anything it's stiffer, front to back, but then it's a tapered steerer. Looks beefier on the bike.

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tom - are you selling the lyrik?

It's already earmarked for a friend's Stumpjumper project, but I'll let you know if it falls through

What about attaching a mudhugger to them?

Seems perfectly doable with some extra holes

I made my own mudguard but I think Mudhugger recommend just attaching around the fork leg and not the crown on Manitou forks.
EDIT from the Mudhugger site "We are often asked if the Hugger can be fitted to Manitou forks with the reverse fork brace. The answer is yes! By ignoring the reverse fork brace altogether and using extra zip ties on the fork legs the Hugger performs just as well as on any other fork."

Here's my DIY guard
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tomvanhalen - Member
Made a nice upgrade from my old Lyrik. If anyone doesn't want their white decals I'd happily throw them a few quid for spares!

@Simon very easily. They leave a very faint shadow behind, but I didn't try cleaning them with alcohol after as I used that to line up the new M

I don't know where to buy a new air spring for my 34's costing £149.95 or use the money to buy a new fork.

Wonder what the availability of spares is like for these?

Having just repaired the central heating for no money and rebuilt a saggy non serviceable KS Supernatural dropper, again no money.
I’m struggling to resist ‘investing’ in a set for my hardly used Arial so I can run 27.5 wheels on it and knock best part of a kilo off its weight. But will I ride it...

Been reading as much info as I can on these, still undecided.

I read some comments about having to over tighten the stem clamp bolts to hold the steerer?

It seems that the IRT kit makes a lot of difference to the fork. The tool kit is also another £40 to factor in.

I've had 5 or 6 hard rides on my Mattoc Pro now, including 1 at LLandegla (for what that's worth) and a day in the Lakes (4500 feet of descending). No need to overtighten the stem bolts. 5nm is fine (I even used a torque wrench...)

I was set on buying the IRT since everyone seems to, but I've not felt the need for it yet. I usually run a lot of spacers/oil in the air chamber on my forks to help them ramp up but I've not felt the need yet on the Mattoc, the lsc, hbo and sag are working well to keep the fork high in its travel and supple enough. I will probably ride it like this until the next lowers service then try the IRT.

The tool kit is worth it if you care at all about keeping on top of maintenance or want to do it yourself. Even with the kit it's still less than £400 for a really good fork.

Cracked and ordered a set, I’ll be interested to see how they perform against my 2015 Pikes.

I also finally cracked and ordered some and the tool kit.

I tested the 2 zip ties around the leg method for the mudhugger with my old fork and it seemed solid enough. Not as rock solid as with ties also around the arch though.

Being delivered by Yodel, I hope they arrive ok.

I use a mudhugger with mine with ties around the arch, just make 4 new slots, it's not difficult.

Is there supposed to be visible oil on top of the air spring? Can only see Slickoleum grease on top of the piston.

Just grease on the new air spring assemblies.

OK thanks.

How are you guys finding these?
I’m fairly Happy with mine at 80psi (90kg) and with no HSC LSC damping
I’ve got the IRT coming from zee Germans so I can run less pressure.

Loving mine. Around 13stone and 80psi too, 1 or 2 clicks of lsc, 2 hsc and 1 of hbo. Not felt the need for irt yet.

Any new owners should drop the lowers to grease the seals and check/replace oil, mine were completely dry. They're buttery smooth now.

Is there supposed to be visible oil on top of the air spring?

Yes a tiny amount to lubricate the seal there , however depends in wether you have the newer dual seal or the older type as to wether it stays or not , you may also find running them at 140 mm can cause a bit of an issue