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apologies if this has already cropped up in a thread elsewhere
Sh1t.
I didnt realise it was quite so BIG!!!
Good call phil - this should be made a sticky for a while
Note the angle that the cab is at to the trailer.mrlebowski - Member - Quote
Sh1t.I didnt realise it was quite so BIG!!!
This is incredible, in a very bad way!
Edit: But the angle is relatively slight and not unlikely when the driver intends a turn.
Matt
typical preparing to turn left at a junction/roundabout road positioning from the lorry i would've thought?
Saw this on Reggit. I was actually shocked when he got out of the cab!
I drove em for twenty years, driving one through London is ****in scary...
I'm surprised there isn't multiple deaths every day tbh...Cyclists need awareness training as much as hgv drivers IMO...
Yep. I think that's what catches folk out.philconsequence - Member - Quote
typical preparing to turn left at a junction/roundabout road positioning from the lorry i would've thought?
The thing is Ive a PSV license & Ive driven large agricultural machinery on the road & Im still surprised.
The angle is irrelevant with regard to my surprise, its the fact that you can position yourself where you THINK you can be seen & yet you arent that surprises me..
Unless you can eyeball the driver I reckon its best to assume youve NOT been seen.
Cyclists need awareness training as much as hgv drivers IMO...
^^This^^
Simple rule - Don't go up the inside unless you are [b][i][u]ABSOLUTELY[/u][/i][/b] sure it's safe. In many cases, it is not. Take a moment to wait behind them.
Eyeball contact - always my mantra on my motorbikes, always assume the other guy is a blind moron and you can get through ok.
Left hand drive lorries present a whole new array of adventures, especially at roundabouts - we need to be more aware of how invisible we can be on the roads.
And yet existing cycle lanes take us exactly to the wrong place. That's why I'd much rather overtake on the outside like "normal" traffic.CaptainFlashheart - Member - Quote
Don't go up the inside unless you are ABSOLUTELY sure it's safe. In many cases, it is not. Take a moment to wait behind them.
Valid point ,Druidh. The lanes get you to the front, but they don't force you to move on in to the path of a truck/bus/car. Getting to the front is fine, but then position yourself and start your movement safely.
If there's a cycle lane up the left to an advanced stop zone thingy, there should be a green light for cyclists a few minutes before the rest of the traffic, to allow them to get ahead and out of the way.
What would help would be for a driving test, there should be a bit of cycling/motorbike and bus/lorry (and even horse!) training experience too, for everyone to make them aware of other users.
i know you guys aren't arguing yet, but this being STW there's a good chance someone will come along to start something.
can be mods lock it and make this a sticky or something as (especially with the death in london) this video might end up saving somebodies life?
That. Too easy to be moving to the front when the lights go green and be caught in the wrong place.ir_bandito - Member - Quote
If there's a cycle lane up the left to an advanced stop zone thingy, there should be a green light for cyclists a few minutes before the rest of the traffic, to allow them to get ahead and out of the way.
Too easy to be moving to the front when the lights go green and be caught in the wrong place.
That's the logic of my "don't pass the first vehicle" rule - if the lights go green, the first vehicle moves immediately but you have a delay to get to a safe place before the second vehicle moves.
I then assume form this video, the signs on the back of some lorries/buses that say "if you cant see my mirrors, i can't see you" isn't true then - think these should be taken off as it's giving cyclists a false sense of security!
if you cant see my mirrors, i can't see you
good point. They should say "if you can't see THE DRIVER in the mirrors, then they can't see you"
If you can't see [u][b]me[/b][/u] in my mirror then I can't see you
Whilst a lot of cyclists endanger themselves by cycling up the inside of HGVs (and should have training) surely any HGV that is driven through built-up areas should be required to have additional mirrors/cameras to eliminate (or drastically reduce) the blind spots. Unless we find vast reserves of diamonds/gold/oil in the UK no ones ever going to spend the money required to separate cyclists from vehicles so investment needs to be spent on making their co-existence as safe as possible.
Unless you can eyeball the driver I reckon its best to assume youve NOT been seen.
^ Best advice.
I've been drumming this into a couple of friends that have taken up cycling recently. One gets it and rides very well from a positional perspective the other still rides like a dick no matter how many times you tell him.
druidh - MemberAnd yet existing cycle lanes take us exactly to the wrong place. That's why I'd much rather overtake on the outside like "normal" traffic.
I'm always amazed by the amount of people who ride up filter lanes that go to ASL boxes and choose to just sit in the lane as it means they can put their foot on the kerb rather than the floor further forward. it also means other cyclists cant then get past them to fill the asl box as you're supposed to.
Kate Cairns, sister of Eilidh [killed by a lorry], set up the See Me Save Me campaign to eliminate the blind spots in lorries.Kate says: The defence of most drivers involved in the death of vulnerable road users is that they simply didn't see them. This is not good enough. We have affordable technology such as cameras and sensors which eliminate blind spots. It is installed on new cars to protect bumpers so why do we value the life of a cyclist less than the sheen of a bumper? We need to re-evaluate the focus on victim blaming. More pedestrians are killed by HGVs than cyclists, but the government doesn't urge pedestrians to wear high vis and helmets. The danger is posed by huge clumsy vehicles driven blind in tiny shared spaces. Focus has to be on the vehicle that poses the greatest risk, the trucks, and the responsibility to manage the risk has to be proportionate.
http://thecyclingsilk.blogspot.nl/
Pretty pissed off here that even on a cycling website more people see the issue as CYCLISTS UNDERTAKING LORRIES.
In my experience it's the [u]lorries who overtake at stupid places.[/u]
Only last week a lorry overtook me just before a roundabout, as he passed me the road curved to the left and his trailer wheels hit the kerb about 10 feet in front of me. I had to slow down. RATHER THAN HIM WAITING AN EXTRA F^&*ING SECOND BEHIND ME.
I see the scenario in that video as a group of cyclists waiting at a junction when a lorry pulls up next to them with his left indicator on, not cyclists filtering up kerbside of him.
more people see the issue as CYCLISTS UNDERTAKING LORRIES.
Because that's what the video shows. Lorry stopped at lights. Cyclists move up the inside.
The assumption is made that if the cyclists are there first, the lorry driver would be behind them, not alongside them about to turn left. Aslong as the cyclists have moved into a sensible position at the junction...
Dez I think the point of the thread/video is educating cyclists rather than blaming them.
What was that someone said about arguing? 😉
[i]Because that's what the video shows. Lorry stopped at lights. Cyclists move up the inside.[/i]
Where? I don't see that bit. Link me to the time on the video where that happens.
**** it I'm out
My own rule on the road is never to go on the inside of any vehicle being driven by someone paid to do it especially when there is a left turn ahead. No buses,lorries,vans or taxis, they've all got to be somewhere yesterday and the drivers are always under pressure to achieve that.
Where? I don't see that bit
If the lorry driver has come alongside all those cyclists at the junction, he's obviously moved out to give them space, therefore if he has more than a goldfish memory, wil know they're there, so not seeing them at that point shouldn't be an issue.
The video implies that the lorry driver does not know they're there, so must have arrived after him, and snuck up the inside.
massive assumption right there considering how many people have started to overtake me, forgotten I'm there [i]during[/i] the overtake and turned left.[b]therefore if he has more than a goldfish memory,[/b] wil know they're there, so not seeing them at that point shouldn't be an issue.
Yes educate cyclists about just how scarily big those blind spots are but don't absolve drivers or haulage companies from taking safety measures with their rather dangerous vehicles that by rights probably shouldn't be on many of our roads.
but don't absolve drivers or haulage companies from taking safety measures
I don't anyone is trying to do that, all this is doing is showing BOTH sides that there is more to it than most people realise.
From the HGV POV the blind spot is massive and although he may be aware of how big it is he may not be aware that the cyclist's aren't.
Likewise the cyclists are positioning themselves where they might think they are visible but actually are not.
Cyclists thinking they are performing safe manoeuvres, HGV driver thinking cyclists performing safe manoeuvres with NEITHER actually doing so is a recipe for disaster and BOTH need to be aware of the problems faced on all sides.
You can legislate and add more technology and I'm sure both will do some good, but laws are not always obeyed, and technology does not always work, and reliance on these things breeds contempt and an assumption that your safety is being looked after by *other things*.
It fundamentally comes down to both parties having to use the road safely and with awareness of the dangers and capabilities of other road users. <<-- [b]Easier said than done[/b]
Personally I think large articulated vehicles should be banned from city centres for the safety of motorists, cyclists and pedestrians, but this is not practical in a lot of places, and that would still leave you with buses, and non-articulated lorries etc. so the more awareness from everyone the better.
Good video - Should be shown in schools.
druidh - Member
CaptainFlashheart - Member - Quote
Don't go up the inside unless you are ABSOLUTELY sure it's safe. In many cases, it is not. Take a moment to wait behind them.
And yet existing cycle lanes take us exactly to the wrong place. That's why I'd much rather overtake on the outside like "normal" traffic.
Part of the problem is with the highway code assumes that overtaking is always on the right but as point 7 on highway Code 167 states you shouldn't overtake a vehicle indicating right then it should be updated to include traffic in lanes on the left passing a vehicle indicating left. This isn't just cycles as many of the bus lanes are on the left and I've witnessed a few incidents where a vehicle has turned left across the path of a bus in its own lane
Highway Code 167DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
•approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road
•where the road narrows
•when approaching a school crossing patrol
•between the kerb and a bus or tram when it is at a stop
•where traffic is queuing at junctions or road works
•when you would force another road user to swerve or slow down
•at a level crossing
•when a road user is indicating right, even if you believe the signal should have been cancelled. Do not take a risk; wait for the signal to be cancelled
•stay behind if you are following a cyclist approaching a roundabout or junction, and you intend to turn left
•when a tram is standing at a kerbside tram stop and there is no clearly marked passing lane for other traffic
When i was doing my aprenticeshiop when a teenager at a large steelworks populated by numerous railway lines and lorries,i soon learnt to give lorries a wide birth, as one day a lorry driver opened his door and took my mate clean off his bike, a few months latter a driver roping and sheeting, threw a rope over the top of the load and lassoed another cyclist passing the other side, which made the monthly works newspaper.
Only last week a lorry overtook me just before a roundabout, as he passed me the road curved to the left and his trailer wheels hit the kerb about 10 feet in front of me. I had to slow down. RATHER THAN HIM WAITING AN EXTRA F^&*ING SECOND BEHIND ME.
Carbon copy of what happened to me, except the lorry went round me on the roundabout Had to jump onto the kerb when coming off the roundabout to avoid being wiped out by the trailer.
Thanks for posting the vid, very interesting...
As for folk posting the highway code, thats interesting too, I guess its what's supposed to happen or a set of rules read out in court if you get injured or killed to death. I'm way more concerned about whats happening or about to happen in a 5m bubble round me when I'm on my bike, highway code or not.....
I'm finding that often, the safest place for me if not at the ASL, is on the rear corner of the first vehicle in the gap between it and the second one, eyballing the rear view mirror. Loads of options depending on what happens to the first vehicle, seen by the one behind me.
I will note though that bus drivers in Edinburgh seem to becoming a lot more bike aware, and its better for it. Someone did mention that there had been greater emphasis on their part.
kind of my point, the drivers know (or at least should know) the blind spots of their vehicle, even people on here who presumably did know of their existence were surprised just how enormous they are.From the HGV POV the blind spot is massive and although he may be aware of how big it is he may not be aware that the cyclist's aren't.
Likewise the cyclists are positioning themselves where they might think they are visible but actually are not.
You can say "don't undertake lorries" as much as you want (please continue to do so) but while our (council/government instated) infrastructure directs cyclists up the inside of traffic and onto ASLs just infront (another lorry blind spot) of traffic I think on balance the onus should be on the owners/drivers of the enormous deadly vehicle with huge **** off blind spots. I believe relativley inexpensive additional mirrors can remove most of the blind spots, proximity sensors and alarms and other more high tech stuff is also available.
I used to drive HGV's many years ago and the mirrors can only see the last 1/3 of the vehicle. The kerb mirror can see directly below the door but that is it. To cover all the blind spots with mirrors you would probably have about another 6 adding to the cluster. Chances of all the mirrors been checked are slim and still wouldn't eliminate blind spots.
I wouldn't depend on proximity warnings as with false readings for street furniture, potholes etc the truck wouldn't move.
Cycle lanes need to be designed correctly and money spent on them rather than marking off part of road with paint. Laws will need to changed and all road users made to use them correctly. Again no quick and easy answer.
Just out of curiosity...how many people who have posted arguments above along the lines of 'lorry drivers should know...etc etc' have actually driven HGVs themselves?
Roadie I've not, does it matter? HGV drivers are paid professionals who have had extensive training in driving their large potentially dangerous vehicles through (sometimes) residential areas.
Just out of curiosity...how many people who have posted arguments above along the lines of 'lorry drivers should know...etc etc' have actually driven HGVs themselves
I have a PSV licence.
What can a professional truck driver do if they physically cannot see if a cyclist has come done the side of their truck due to the blind spot. Get out and check all is clear then get back in the truck?
Some things they should do such as not attempting to overtake a cyclist if the truck driver is going to turn left immediatley after. Allow space when over taking. They can't however compensate for what they dont't know or able to see.
I've been wondering for a while why lorry cabs actually have to be so high up. Wouldn't lowering them, a bit like modern coaches, improve the whole blind spot problem?
High to get above the engine. Minimum cab length means maximum load length.
I drove one for years and you can loose vans in the blind spot never mind bikes. Driving one through London was always a joy.
aye perfect vehicles for our roads, better stick to motorways eh?you can loose vans in the blind spot never mind bikes
oooh maybe not
The reason for that incident was the Cleo driver who went straight from the slip road in the trucks blind spot to the middle lane. The truck driver was found not at fault and Cleo driver, a female vet, confirmed what had happened.
Yeah I saw the story, car drivers do stupid stuff nothing new there, the fact the HGV driver was scooting down the motorway at 60 oblivious to the car he was shunting along is the worrying part.
If the country [b]needs[/b] HGVs then fair enough, keep em, but i think it would be fair to say they need some attention if they are going to stay on our public roads
So are we saying that it's still the truck drivers fault that he didn't see the car or feel it either as it was pushed to the front. A freak accident.
Yes we do need trucks on the road unless you want see the cost of goods skyrocket
i drive an daf xf 105 which has six mirror's on it, 2 each side on the doors, 1 above the passenger door looking directly down to the kerb and 1 above the windscreen on the passenger side which looks down on the front nearside corner and across the front under the windscreen and yes it still possible to loose vehicle's in blindspots.
A few weeks ago whilst going a long the A5 at shrewsbury there was a large number of cyclists (150+) travelling along in groups, i passed a group of 7 or 8, but then had to stop at a set of lights a few hundred meters further down the road, the group caught up whilst i was stationary and squeezed themselves between me and the kerb with barely room for their handlebars, the lights change and i wait for them to set off which they do, just as i'm about to start moving another group catch up and decide to also squeeze down the side, some people are just ****ing stupid, if i hadn't have been checking my mirrors i could have squashed the lot.
no I was implying that the minimum standards the country has for HGVs in regards to their blind spots etc possibly aren't up to the job if a driver can't notice a car strapped to their bumper.So are we saying that it's still the truck drivers fault
Donk are you stupid or just fail to understand that it is impossible to cover all blind spots on a truck
undoubtedly there are stupid people about but as this thread has shown some people (presumably drivers aswell as cyclists so regular road users) are ignorant of the size and location of the blind spots on HGVs. If you know about the blind spot and still go through then yes you are silly but if you dont....?some people are just ****ing stupid, if i hadn't have been checking my mirrors i could have squashed the lot.
quick question, if whilst driving I don't check my blind spot before overtaking or pulling out and hit something/someone would I be at fault or could I blame the car/bike that was in my blind spot? pretty sure I'd get most of the blame
Whilst a lot of cyclists endanger themselves by cycling up the inside of HGVs (and should have training) surely any HGV that is driven through built-up areas should be required to have additional mirrors/cameras to eliminate (or drastically reduce) the blind spots.
That's really not the answer. You can have as many mirrors and sensors and cameras as you want but if the driver does a scan of all 12 mirrors and TV screens and while he's scanning mirrors 10-12, someone rides up his inside through 1-3, they're still not going to be seen.
I cycled through London earlier today during rush hour on a Boris Bike and f*** me, there was some idiotic riding going on.
Just YESTERDAY, someone died cos he rode up the inside of a bus so what do I see today? Folk squeezing up the inside of lorries, buses etc, sometimes with literally an inch of space between the bus to their right and a wall or railing to their left. If that vehicle started moving, they'd have stood no chance. The one saving grace is that there were so many cyclists (of all abilities) around that actually they were outnumbering the cars so in that respect there was safety in numbers. In fact at some junctions it looked like a Wacky Races version of the Tour de France, there were that many cyclists.
Education is the answer - both for traffic planners who put in these daft cycle lanes and for the cyclists themselves. And all drivers (regardless of vehicle) need the message ramming home that often (especially in stop start rush hour traffic) it's safer and easier to just let the bike go and not try to overtake it - it'll only catch you up 200m down the road again.
donk that truck does not have a mirror mounted above the windscreen meaning if the driver is sat back in his seat he may well not see the car straight away, the legisation regarding mirrors has changed now and all trucks built after 2008 i think, have to have one mounted above the windscreen, it used to be possible to stand about 25 people under an artic windscreen and not be able to see any of them from the drivers seat.
The drivers are not ignorant of their blind spots, they try to minimise the risks when they can as mentioned by izakimak but you can't exclude all and hence why accidents happen
I'm not having a go at HGV drivers and I'm attempting not to be stupid (doesn't always work mind) I'm questioning the suitability of very large vehicles with very large blind spots for use on public roadsDonk are you stupid or just fail to understand that it is impossible to cover all blind spots on a truck
BTW I guess I'll add I used to occasionally ride up the inside of trucks, especially if there was a cycle lane, completely oblivious of the dangers, then I saw a video like the OP and promptly changed my behaviour and have been nervous of HGVs ever since.
I often see bikes going up the inside of HGVs/ Buses as I go around the outside and think 'am I going to see you on the other side'?
Some people are just divs.
you can hang as many mirrors as you want off the doors of a truck to try to eliminate blindspots and what will actually happen is you will create more because the position the mirrors are put in will stop the drivers line of sight as he/she looks out of the window to see traffic approaching from the front/side at roundabouts. it is already an issue on some makes of truck due to the size/positioning of the mirrors.
If you can find a better way of moving large volumes of goods around without putting more vehicles on the road or increasing the cost of goods they're delivering you or whoever finds the answer will be very rich.
Driving HGVs isn't easy and the more crowded roads get the more stressful the job. Rather than slagging the job off an understanding of what's involved might help
donk what is your solution then? 1 artic can deliver 28t of goods, if you put those goods in transit size vans that means about 20 vans with twenty drivers all going hell for leather to get tipped first and the roads will be even more congested.
so at the risk of putting yourself out of a job izakimak would you say HGV design needs a rethink?
I was trying not to slag off the job or the drivers. Presumably if there's a collision and the HGV is at fault then....Rather than slagging the job off an understanding of what's involved might help
If the driver didn't check his mirrors he's at fault, if the driver did check his mirrors but they don't cover everything then the owners are at fault for not fitting them. If the owners fitted all the mirrors and safety equipment legislated for and the driver checked them all and a collision still happens then the government is to blame for crap legislation? does that sound reasonable, I'm tired and not thinking straight.
dunno mate, better (much much better) minds than mine are supposed to be working on this sort of thing.donk what is your solution then?
An example of a typical drivers conversation:
D1: were you going then?
D2: tossbury's in Knobtown
D1: ha ha unlucky mate that's a shit drop, nightmare getting in round the tight corner the car drivers wont stop to let you back in and when they do there's always one who can't wait a minute and tries to squeeze any possible gap available. The staff aren't very helpful when it comes to stopping traffic cause thy have been told they are not allowed to cause of h&s.
I could go on
Donk, unfortunately trucks are a necessary evil. Everything you buy, use or sell, at some point moves about on a truck.
If a vehicle doesn't meet the legislation then it is can't be sold in this country. Most of the legislation regarding hgv's is determined by brussels so eu wide anyway.
we could just move ALL the shops out of town, and board everything in town up 😉
I know hence me saying fix/sort them rather than saying ban them.Donk, unfortunately trucks are a necessary evil. Everything you buy, use or sell, at some point moves about on a truck.
OK how about only using HGVs for motorways (maybe dual carriageways) and have distribution points at motorway junctions?
anyway I'm knackered after a busy day STWing I'm off to bed.
ah ok blame the bloody belgians then 🙂Most of the legislation regarding hgv's is determined by brussels so eu wide anyway.
Donk you still don't get it. Accidents happen, you can't eliminate all the blind spots, cyclist need to know this too.
If a truck is waiting at traffic lights indicating that it turning left then the cyclist should hold back or go to the right of the vehicle. If they continue down the left then the cyclist is at fault but since they wouldn't have aware of the blindspot it would be seen as an accident
If a truck driver is approaching a junction where they want to turn left and they have cyclist in front of them the driver should hold back. If the driver overtakes the cyclist putting them into his blindspot then driver is at fault and will be prosecuted for driving without due care and attention.
I hope this helps you understand as it could save your life and everyone else that you pass this bit of knowledge onto
Whilst it may not be possible to eliminate the blind spot it is not impossible to improve the visibility hereby you can see that many cyclists at your side or notice a car stuck to your bumper.
Of course cyclist knowledge is great as well but it is not an either or scenario...why not do both?
FWIW I dont think he is advocating being in the blind spot or being unaware of it just simply asking/suggesting we should improve this by reducing it if possible
is it just me? but it's pure common sense not to go anywhere near the inside of a lorry if you are on a bike. Just avoid or wait! one of the first things I learned instinctively from cycling in London was don't go on the inside of anything big if it looks like it's going to turn or something.and I'm daft on a bike.
There should be a national advert campaign - like the old green cross code ones, or the clunk-click every trip ones - based on that video to try to increase national awareness of the issue facing truck drivers.
I drove em for twenty years, driving one through London is ****in scary...
I'm surprised there isn't multiple deaths every day tbh...Cyclists need awareness training as much as hgv drivers IMO...
They do,but the real answer to this problem is the awareness of the drivers. It's 2012.. why the hell is a lorry fitted with multiple mirrors that don't do their job? How can a vehicle be legal to drive if the driver can't see someone straddling a motorcyclist/cyclist next to him? In a car there's going to be a blind spot but at least its still possible to see someone straddling a bike around 5ft off the ground.
That's shocking. Every cyclist should see that video.
After I learnt a few years ago that most cyclist deaths in London were left turning lorries I stay behind them, go nowhere near.
If they overtake me I keep a very close eye and ready to brake or get off the road
is it just me? but it's pure common sense not to go anywhere near the inside of a lorry if you are on a bike. Just avoid or wait
I think that's the only practical solution.
There's absolutely no point in being 100% correct according to the highway code or the letter of the law when you're as vulnerable as a cyclist in a busy urban environment.
Being perfect in everything you do won't stop you getting crushed by a bus or a truck.
I genuinely can't see a better solution to the problem than cyclists not going up the inside of large vehicles. It's common sense, if it's big and it might crush you on a corner, don't go up the inside of it.
I'm not surprised to see those people next to the lorry and out of sight of the driver. If you can't see the driver, then he can't see you. But heres an idea. Shouldn't those lorries now be fitted with a side view camera ?. A wide angle lens camera with a monitor in the cab. I've seen this for passenger cars with a display built into the dashboard, to show an image from a rear mounted camera.
But the clear issue is that with all the cameras, warning devices and alarms in the world, you're still relying on someone else, who may well be concentrating on other things (lights, oncoming turning traffic, ped crossings, street names, dead prostitute in the back, etc. etc.) and like it or not, humans make mistakes, they miss things they could have or should have noticed. It would be nice if they didn't, but they do.
Theres a simple action that we, as cyclists, can take to mitigate this risk and take control of the situation back into our own hands, by not putting ourselves in danger. It may not solve everything in one go, but its an effective, simple and failsafe method of reducing that risk.
But heres an idea. Shouldn't those lorries now be fitted with a side view camera ?. A wide angle lens camera with a monitor in the cab.
As I said earlier (somewhere on page 2) that really isn't the answer. If the driver is looking at a TV screen in the cab, he's not looking at the road. If he takes his eyes off the screen to look at the road, a rider can easily pass unnoticed through the picture.
I have the utmost admiration for anyone driving long vehicles like that in cramped spaces. I've driven 4-ton trucks on airfields and delicate moves in that were tricky enough, I'd hate to try the same in a built up area!
Simple answer is DON'T GO UP THE INSIDE. The worry with lorries having all this extra safety gear is that riders will think "oh he'll see me in his million mirrors, it'll be fine"
You'd complain if a driver cut you up while you were turning. That's effectively what cyclists do to long vehicles - cut them up and prevent them from doing their manoeuvre as they intend.
[i]It may not solve everything [/i]
I wouldn't suggest that a side mounted camera and a display in the cab would solve everything, its just an idea I had after viewing the video. But You are right, not having cyclists there in the first place would be better to start with. As injury and death happen when cyclists and motor vehicles come together, we should keep them apart. which I think has already been discussed, ie, cycle lanes, etc.
I still like the side view camera though. An HGV driver shouldn't move off until he's checked his mirrors and possibly a display in the cab, showing an area the mirrors can't cover. Solving issues as complex as what happens in traffic and on our roads is likely to benefit from applying several ideas and solutions together.
EDIT:
Yes, I agree, better education of cyclists would help too.
Izakimak has already pointed out that's it's not a simply case of just adding more mirrors as this creates another blind spot where the mirror is so you wouldn't spot the pedestrian stepping off the kerb becaause they are hidden behind a mirror.
Camera would be a good if the cyclist stayed still but crazy-legs pointed out they move about and the cyclist that was on camera 1 is now on camera 3 but by the time you've moved off another cyclist has moved onto 1 and it too late they're under the wheels.
The mirrors are normally convexed at the edges to give a wider view, with articulated trucks the trailer and truck move at different angles so mirrors get blocked by the trailer itself. A rear pointing camera's mounted on the front of the trailer may help hear but again do you want a driver looking at video screens or looking were they are driving.
As Kevev and Wisepranker said just don't go down the left hand side of trucks. You can put as many mirrors and cameras on a truck as you want creating new blindspots and problems for other roadusers/pedestrians. Alternatively stay behind the truck ensuring you can see the driver in the mirror so you know that he can see you too.
TurnerGuy has it the nail on the head with making more cyclist aware of the danger.
[i]Alternatively stay behind the truck ensuring you can see the driver in the mirror so you know that he can see you too[/i]
Thats sort of what I said in my first post. About if you can't see the driver, then they can't see you.
The video showed cyclists [u]standing still[/u] at the side of the cab, out of the field of view of the mirror[b]s[/b] just as you would see at a traffic light controlled junction or round about. I was depending on the driver having to check his mirrors and the display in the cab [b]before moving off[/b]. I think one wide angle or fish eye lens camera could cover a wider field of view off the near side of the cab ?. And I was thinking just one camera, above the passenger door, looking down onto the exact blindspot shown in the video.
It was just an idea to supplement the other suggestions here and to contribute to what is probably several measures that could be considered to prevent this type of accident.