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How would this compare to my 2010 zesty?
I am pretty sure your frame was 1 1/8" non tapered so this would be one benefit of upgrading. It's also bolt thru at the rear.
Thanks Martin, just wondered if the more modern geometry would make it a little more "chuckable". I really shouldn't even be looking!
Not a 'chuckable' bike IMO, though I did swap it for a Bandit 26 which most certainly is.
Anyone else using this thread as reassurance that there's still life in the old (26") dog yet?! I am.
Cheers daveh. Think I'll give it a miss then. Phew.
Couldn't resist. There goes some of my December overtime money!
Should be fine with a 150mm fork, I have a pair of Magura Thor T150s on them, still climbs fine & doesn't seem to upset the geo too much. If I didn't already have one I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
Dont dither though. Years ago wiggle was knocking out the purple 55RCT ti forks for £400. Loads off here bought them but I dithered.And lost out.
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/marzocchi-55-rc3-evo-v2-titanium-forks-20mm-2014/rp-prod112641
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Damn it, I've snapped. Bought a medium/18", hoping I got the right size... I'm 5'11 and a bit, currently ride a 17.5 Cotic Soul. I compared the geometry and they look roughly similar,m. Fingers crossed!
Quite excited, though will have to save hard to get a new rear wheel and dropper post 🙂
How would this compare to my 2010 zesty?
I am pretty sure your frame was 1 1/8" non tapered so this would be one benefit of upgrading. It's also bolt thru at the rear.
If a 2010 Zesty isn't tapered (can't remembered when they changed) then it is 44mm which will take a tapered fork.
The frame reminds me of my MK1 Nukeproof Mega...
I snoozed..
20"ers all sold now 🙁
Mine has arrived... got one of the ebay ones as they are from Dooleys and with warranty.
Out of the box, first impression is 'oooooo, that's nice!'
Same here. Think it's definitely going to need an external lower headset due to the cable routing.
Just had a £500 tax rebate. However I wasn't too keen on the look I got off swmbo when I suggested I'd quite like one of these. Please tell me they're rubbish.
Purchased an 18" for my eldest lad... he's outgrown his small Stumpy FSR.
only 16" left now at ukbikesdepot.
I got one, lovely frame - cant beleive they sold them so cheap - seriusly impressed. However.... who ever designed the cable routing deserves a kick up the shunker!!!!!
any idea how long delivery is taking..?
When I emailed UKbikesdepot.com, they quoted something like 5-6 days.
cheers, ordered mine Monday.
I did not need to see this...... I don't have a full susser...... 😳
What headsets are people fitting, I'll be running straight 1 1/8 forks.
Think the consensus here is that an external lower cup is best to stop the fork crown smashing the down tube.
I'm planning a Hope lower cup H with the 1 1/8 to 1.5 crown race adapter and an Hope 2 internal top cup.
Info [url= http://cdn.hopetechnology.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/HOPE-HEADSET-FITTING-CHART.pdf ]here[/url]
Someone please shout if this is nonsense!
The cheap option is the Nukeproof
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/nukeproof-warhead-44iess-headset-2014/rp-prod85842
The Hope option (twice the cost) with the adapter is probably the more future proof option if you see a tapered fork / another 44mm headtube frame in your future.
Looks like Nukeproof for me 🙂
I used a superstar integrato headset for my 1 1/8th revs (150mm) it was quite cheap at around £30
Would it be fairly ridiculous to angleset from the outset? Any views on this from those that have ridden one?
I was also contemplating an angleset to take a degree off the headangle but don't really want to drop the bb height. Maybe if I was fitting 150mm forks, but as I'm putting 140s on, as it was designed for I'll most likely put a normal headset in.
I've bought the Nukeproof 44IESS for mine. It arrived today and seems good, especially for £27. Only had CK headsets for the last 15 years so time will tell.
how would one of these be with a 120mm fork?
Headsets - I went with one of these for 11.99 from china....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331387705891
It's a Neco H151S. You can specify an option for a straight steerer lower crown race. They have the shortest stack height of any ZS44/28.6 | EC44/39.8 I came across at 20.2mm.
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rousan - reported as spam.
Would this work with some (1-1/8" straight) dual position air Revelations at 150mm ?
and what headset would I need ?
Is there an integral Hope one that would work (Only because I have an inset Hope HS on the Brodie) as I`m thinking of just swapping the front end between HT and FS bikes ??
yes, would be fine.
The nukeproof headset folk are on about above would work, as would the one I linked to from china if you request for a 1.1/8" crown race.
Hope top cup number 2 and bottom cup B (which goes internal to the frame) would work for you and actually compensate for your slightly longer travel.
Thanks CP
Has anyone fitted an internal lower cup and checked that the crown doesn't foul the cables/downtube?
Mine arrived, all built up (Nukeproof headset, 1 1/8" forks) and test ride today. Its great! cheers for the heads up OP.
It looks a bit tight for internal lower cup to me, but i didn't give it a proper check or anything i'm afraid. I can try and measure when i've got more time.
Pics to inspire whilst waiting for my headset???
Any pics of built up frames yet? Still waiting on mine - should be here sometime today. I've got a wait to get mine built, will need rear wheel, seat post, cables etc etc. Once saved for that lot the warranty will have probably expired! 0_o
mine should be here today...
Need to get the other parts together...
it's arrived, looks pretty good to me. Need to crack on and get it built now.
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Beginning to go blind looking at headsets....
I'm running tapered forks, will this fit..
[url= http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/nukeproof-warhead-49iets-headset-2014/rp-prod85847 ]Nukeproof[/url]
It looks a bit tight for internal lower cup to me,
Should be fine, i use the Nukeproof internal headset on a 44mm headtube with straight steerer forks....bike is a Ragley but the forward offset on most forks mean that even when you fully twist them round towards the frame the forward offset means they dont foul the downtube.
Other bikes may be different but i cant imagine a scenario out riding where i would suddenly need to turn my bars to 90 degrees?!....as this is what's required to hit the fork crown on the downtube if they do foul on your bike!
(exceptions for gnarlyrad dudes who twist their bars left and right while airborne over jumps....but that isnt me or 90% of the people i've ever seen riding!)
Other bikes may be different but i cant imagine a scenario out riding where i would suddenly need to turn my bars to 90 degrees?!....as this is what's required to hit the fork crown on the downtube if they do foul on your bike!(exceptions for gnarlyrad dudes who twist their bars left and right while airborne over jumps....but that isnt me or 90% of the people i've ever seen riding!)
or a crash, that'll potentially write off your frame...
Big M - Member
Beginning to go blind looking at headsets....I'm running tapered forks, will this fit..
No, it wont - that's for 49mm internal headtubes, the grapil is 44.
CRC are out of the correct Nukeproof headset. Other places have stock:-
Alternatives are uberbike:-
or Hope, number 2 top cap and B bottom cap
or the cheap chinese one i linked to above.
Should be fine,
until you crash and put a massive ding in the downtube. Or the bars/forks swing round in the work stand and do the same.
EDIT - beaten to it!
Beginning to go blind looking at headsets....I'm running tapered forks, will this fit..
Nukeproof
Tapered forks in a 44mm headtube require the Nukeproof 44IETS
The 44 is for 44mm headtubes, the 'I' is for an internal top cup (to keep stack height down, the 'E' is an external bottom cup (i believe this is your only option for tapered forks in a 44mm tube anyway) and the 'TS' means Tapered Steerer.
The Nukeproof coding is dead simple once you get your head around it!
This is what you want, its out of stock with CRC:
Re. the internal cup option on straight steerers, mine clears the frame fine, the forks can rotate 360 degrees without touching the downtube....i just think internal headsets look neater, if you can do this with the Grapil i'd go down that route but i understand concerns about fouling the frame.
Thanks CP for the links.
Thanks Deviant for explaining the coding, you're right, it is dead simple....
cheers
Had a quick look at mine tonight, I'm contemplating running the rear gear cable through the chainstay, anyone tried this?
I did wonder the same but not seriously looked into it.
the gear outer fits through without any problems....
I think I'll give it a go...
Couldn't resist and clicked 'buy' on Monday from UKBikesdepot, arrived this morning only 2 days later.
Really impressed so far, looks fab and only weighs 6.9 pounds. Bought the small as I like small frames.
It's first outing will be singlespeed.
They're showing as back in stock at Ukbikesdepot.
Will the gear cable rattle if you run it through the chainstay?
Oh no, I was holding out as I thought my Chris King Hub couldn't be converted to 12mm axle form a QR. Apparently it can which means my fancy wheels are no longer a reason not to upgrade!
Billy basic question but...I know the website says it can take a 650b with 2.1/2.2 tyre, but that means it's designed around a 26" doesn't it?
Yeah it's designed around 26
Bang goes another reason not to buy one...
Anyone using an internal headset what forks and frame size do you have?
I have a 16" on order and hoping to use my 150mm Sektors with an internal lower cup but sounds like there may be clearance issues.
I am thinking of building one of these up for my son . He's 13 now and not had a full susser before . It's going to be on a tight budget so won't be any carbon or hope parts on it so can anyone hazard an educated guess how much a very cheap build is gonna cost me ? There must be people on here who build bikes from scratch all the time so thanks in advance .
crapjumper, I'm doing exactly the same for my soon to be 13 year old. Bought the frame, got some Fox forks from classifieds for £145. I have all the other bits from his old bike & my spares stash.
I sold his old frame and forks for the costs of the new ones so I've budgeted about £100 for things like new BB, headset, gear cables, maybe grips etc.
I'd think that you should be able to get something half decent together running a 1 x 10 set up for £300 - £350 on top of the frame. Some smart purchases from classifieds, ebay and the usual facebook groups should see you with a nice bike.
Thanks BIG M , that sounds pretty good . I'll order the frame tomorrow morning then take it from there
5 pages and no pics yet...disappointing 😐
njcisca, it'll be tight, just holding my Fox floats up to the frame as if there was an integrated headset in there & they just clear the frame, just!
Not started building mine yet but it's mighty fine:
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[url= https://www.flickr.com/photos/27050641@N08/16124132558/ ]Genesis Grapil frame[/url] by [url= https://www.flickr.com/people/27050641@N08/ ]will jenkins[/url], on Flickr
Started building these with some WTB KOM i23 rims though:
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[url= https://www.flickr.com/photos/27050641@N08/15691805643/ ]DT Swiss 350 hubs[/url] by [url= https://www.flickr.com/people/27050641@N08/ ]will jenkins[/url], on Flickr
njcisca, it'll be tight, just holding my Fox floats up to the frame as if there was an integrated headset in there & they just clear the frame, just!
Eek! thanks for that
A few shots of mine,
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I'm just about to pull the trigger on one of these but having last minute doubts on sizing.
6' and a smidgen with 34" inseam and gorilla arms.
Riding an 18" 456 at the moment, setback post with saddle all the way back, wiiiiiide bars and 50mm stem.
Tempted by the 20" grapil for a bit more room on longer rides but don't want it to feel like I'm riding a gate.
What sizes/heights is everyone riding? Any ecommendations? (I know it's not particularly scientific...)
willej - your beer-drinking room makes a lot of sense.
I'm just about to pull the trigger on one of these but having last minute doubts on sizing.
6' and a smidgen with 34" inseam and gorilla arms.
Riding an 18" 456 at the moment, setback post with saddle all the way back, wiiiiiide bars and 50mm stem.
i'm exactly the same and come from the same bike. I went 20" after advice from here and the shop and the feeling that the 456 was a little small sometimes.
grapil will be run with 60mm stem and 780 bars in a fun blast and enduro race bike rather than all day epic way.
6 footer running a 20" and never fells too big. I use a 70mm stem too
Thanks chaps!
I think I'm pretty much decided on a 20".
Now to find some suitable forks!
Edit: Apparently the last 20" was sold a couple of hours ago. 🙁
gutted - have you asked them if there is anymore stock coming in - they appeared to get more 18 and 20 frames earlier in the week as they had both gone out of stock.
Can we have build pics etc?
Snoozed! Just gave them a call and the "last one" had gone, I'll keep an eye out if another is put up though.
Pulled the trigger.
Anyone got a safehouse/cellar I can lay low in for a few months?
Anyone got a safehouse/cellar I can lay low in for a few months?
Supposed straight swap over from my hardtail would have meant new rear hub & wheelbuild but I spotted some cheap wheels online.... which arrived in another big frame box 😕
Heh heh, I'll be leaving in one if she spots this.
Now, which headset? (just kidding).
the build has started, headset & forks fitted.
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Afternoon all.
How are folks routing their rear brake? Anyone passing the hose through the bridge near pivot on chain stay? Or passing around on outside?