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Just seen north winds post for his new fully rigid cotic soda, it weighs sub 20lb and have to say its piqued my interest.
So who rides a rigid ht what are your thoughts, what does it weigh? And how far does the lack of a suspension fork limit the way you ride, if at all.
Post your pics as well Let's see them
This was to be my "race" and "ride a very, very long way" bike. It actually excels at much, much more than that. The rigid forks take some getting used to, and line choice becomes pretty important if you want to maintain speed and not crash. On slow, technical stuff I possibly prefer it to suspension. On fast, rough descents it gets a bit wearing after a while. Braking bumps aren't much fun.
I'm not sure if I would want a fully rigid bike as my only MTB, but it is definitely the bike I ride the most.
Edit - 19lbs in current build (with dropper!)
lovely bike, great picture.
what is it ?
I ride a fully rigid winter bike. It's slow and uncomfortable but I don't have to worry about worn stanchions etc.
Thanks paulo6624. It is a Kinesis FF29. [url= http://www.kinesisbikes.co.uk/the-maxlight-ff29-first-ride-impressions/ ]Kinesis[/url]
ah thought kinesis but didnt want to embarass myself lol
Would a carbon bar or fork soften things noticeably?
chainslap thats a monster truck of a bike, id imagine the tyres negate the need for a fork, but without sounding like a donut how hard is it to get it and keep it moving ?
mean looking bike tomo
chainslap thats a monster truck of a bike, id imagine the tyres negate the need for a fork, but without sounding like a donut how hard is it to get it and keep it moving ?
You would be surprised how easy it is really and how much fun it is to ride. Ive had all sorts of bikes over the years and this is the one that makes me smile the most. 🙂
Me.
I like it.
18.4lbs.
Not at all.
My Karate Monkey. I've had it since October and have ridden it far more than my 140mm f.s since I got it. Big (ish) tyres help to soak up a lot of the trail buzz. I'm noticeably quicker on it on my local (non gnar) trails than my other bike.
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mtbmoto, that's a murderer's bike there.
I love rigid bikes, maybe it's because it's where I started, not sure. I try to always have one on the go or at least a rigid fork that I can shove into a hardtail. The ride's so different that it gives lots of trails a totally different side- turns the pentlands techier, turns innerleithen downhill trails into an exercise in terror
But also there's just something really nice and connected about it all- everything that happens on the bike is something you do, rather than something the bike does for you. Great in snow and ice too.
(also, guilty pleasure- passing people on big bouncers or riding things they won't. I know this is poor, but I take my fun where I can find it!)
I've posted my Soda in 2 different threads today, not going to make that a third! Here's its predecessor...
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I have this
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use it for local stuff
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I really like riding it, but I'm not sure I could make it my only bike
Fully rigid, SS, fixie, 69er, Custom Ti frame - I wanted a niche of my own.
It was built as a vanity bike which I thought I would use occasionally but it has become my bike of choice for a lot of stuff. The carbon fork and 29" front wheel mean that for most stuff I ride (new Forest, Lordswood, Swinley, Purbecks) it is fine.
Don't know the wieght but it floats away if I am not sat on it.
Limitations?
Cant jump for chit (me or the bike)
Wouldn't fancy a very (70%+) descent over boulders.
The other limitations relate more to SS and gear ratios over big variations in terrain and steepness so don't apply to the rigid fork question.
Slight side point but having rigid forks and riding fixie on flat pedals means that if you lose the pedals you can rest your feet on the stantions without twiddling all the adjustable gubbins they have on bouncy forks.
Full rigid Ti Global here with eXotic carbon fork. It rides much smoother than the steel mountain bikes I had back in the nineties so I'm happy.
My rigid bike that I built in 2005/6
This is when I had just finished it but have no photos since.
Ride it in the winter but also have a sort of singlespeed as well. Ride it in the summer for two hour thrashes and used it in a couple of XC races. Feels like cheating when you are climbing and love having it. Stay of the front brake when descending and hop over as much as you can.
Would hate to be without it and it is my longest owned bike but would not have it as an only bike.
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I had a suspension fork for a few rides a couple of years ago, but then the bike got nicked. Otherwise, all my riding has always been on a rigid fork.
I had to stop mid-descent a few times in the Kielder 100 to allow my hands to stop cramping into claws, but otherwise haven't had any issues.
Agree with edoverheels - My favourite bike but not the one I would choose as my only bike.
I also run a soda with carbon fork - this is the only picture I have of it in it's current guise. It's under there somewhere :-/
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I did until it was nicked. Had pace carbon forks, smoothed things out just enough. Quite nice descending too, the lack of fork dive can be helpful. I miss that bike.
I'm very tempted to sell of my 'fun' long travel hardtail and build myself something much much lighter, but I'm not sure I can bring myself to go fully rigid.
Having said that I managed it back in the day when the best suspension out there was a flex stem, so I'm sure its not that bad.
Enjoying this so far - fast and comfy 😉
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Oldish school Kona goodness cheap great for winter
You'll notice the 2" rise 710mm bars and 50mm stem. I reckon a more comfortable upright position suits rigid forks if you plan to do more miles, rather than a flat back racing snake position simply for general comfort. .. IMO of course...
My most used bike ATM and the cheapest...
Salsa Selma
Under 20lbs, even with a dropper on, I'm pretty sure. No gears though.
And how far does the lack of a suspension fork limit the way you ride, if at all.
Not at all for where I ride (Surrey Hills mincecore). I guess I wouldn't take it to somewhere steep and rocky though.
Rigid is great for out of the seat climding btw.
I have two - a Selma like the one above and an El Mariachi with gears. Great for the winter when it's really muddy and you don't need suspension anyway as the mud provides the cushioning.
Oh and it's great for building skills - lots of little bunny hops etc to ride smoothly. Makes me quicker when I ride the normal bikes.
I have an El Mariachi Fully rigid as my only bike.
Ride it anywhere I'd ride any other bike.
The only limitation is I'm slightly slower on the rocky descents. But I don't race so not really too fussed.
Weight is around 24lbs at a guess,
i have one pic up there ^, i commute on it sometimes, i race 24hr races on it. I night ride on it.
To be honest, witn a young family i only ride local (nw leics) so don't need a full sus. I do have a fox fork, but, its not been on the bike for 3 years. It's a cliche but it really does make me ride and smile.
Rigid bikes rock.
The only thing that stops them doing anything is the rider.
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Even girls like to ride a rigid one.
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I have a Wippet with X-lite forks and a smattering of light bits, singlespeed so must be around 20lbs. Great bike and it's fun to ride something completely different. Struggles on rock, but flies on anything else and will make a man of you. Might as well if there's room in the garage.
Built up an Io with 100mm forks a few yrs back, used it here and there. Took the sus off, put a Jones bar on. Loved it, rode it 75%+ of the time. Then stopped riding my other bikes apart from Alps trips. Then got a Jones bike to go with the bars ... haven't looked back. It's my only MTB now - I do ride hardtails for work-related stuff but generally I'm on the Jones if I have a choice. It just suits me and the trails I ride. Been to the Alps and NY Moors / trail centres on it, no probs. Usual rigid vs sus caveats but it feels good going back to the kind of bike I started out on.
Weight, depends on kit, 25-28lbs. Light rigid bikes are fine but I'd rather have a heavier, stiff and technically capable bike than a light and flexy bike. Anything around 27-28lbs is fine with me whatever the type.
SS mode -
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Rigid SS for 80% of my riding, and I've had a few 😕
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Whenever people say "What can you do on a rigid bike", I like to post this pic...
Jesse Wigman, on his way to take 40th in the 2012 endurance downhill at fort william- 13 runs in 6 hours. (I took 16 inches of skill compensation and beat him by an entire place)
Niner Air 9 Carbon with their rigid fork. Have run it for the last two years as my only bike. Completed 2 24hr races (team - pair), 10 Under the Ben, local XC races, End to End, and done epic 7hour rides as well as 2 hour blasts round the local trails...
Can't fault it.
Bloody brilliant.
built this back up, rocklobster for some xc events. raced at hit the north which it was the perfect tool imo.
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Sorry I didn't answer your other questions before.
Weight? Dunno under 30lbs, over 20...
How does it affect riding? I suppose it makes you choose your lines far more carefully and it feels very direct and lively compared to many geared bouncy forked HTs...
Obviously you feel bumps far more but then that front end is a bit lighter so it's easier to manoeuvre and lift round and over things, and if you should want a touch more comfort a larger volume tyre will help (I have a 2.3" up front).
It's not better or worse than any other MTB its simply different you might enjoy the simplicity and directness of a less complex bike or you might not really enjoy it. There's only one way to really find out...
My main ride these days.
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Some great bikes advice and general input all the way through, great to see the guy riding proper downhill courses.
I've a 29er swift, not as quick as having suspension or gears, but fun in a different way. You have to pick your battles, taking smooth lines and looking for easy places to gain time and surviving the tougher bits. It gets down most stuff my FS bike does, just slower and with less margin for error.
Definatley going to have a crack going to post a wtd ad for frame forks and brakes so let me know if any of you guys have any bits.
Anything I may need to know about rigid forks before I buy ?
northwind I thought the guy doing the mac had got a snowboard attached to his back untill I looked a little closer.that would have been something.
Anything I may need to know about rigid forks before I buy ?
A 29 wheel is a good match.
Swift steel forks are moderately heavy but have some lateral give.
I had some 26er carbons in the '2 poles fixed into a crown' format - the word for them was twangy.
Niner carbons have a surprising damping effect and are clear winners of what I've ridden.
So - some kind of monocoque 29er carbon, if you can.
waves at Northwind 🙂
Monkey has also done a normal DH race now down at Tavistock woods close to Gawton.
Hopefully Monkey and me will have another stab at this years MacAvalanche, must say those on-one track clincher wheels are proving to be quite tough and easy to change bearings on 🙂
As someone who started on a ridged bike I must say it feels kind of right, but as an owner of a pair of RC31's I would say ridged is rather disconcerting! 😉
matjg
A 29 wheel is a good match.
do you mean 29ers work well as rigid bikes or going down the 69er route?
My second bike for winter / mud / snow duties... been riding it a lot recently 😉
Great fun and improves your skills no end. Not sure I'd choose it as my only bike, although there's nothing locally it won't do. Some rides it just feels right like it's an extension of you if you know what I mean 😐
Changed to 1x9 since this photo, fantastic mud clearance front and back now. Also put some wide flat carbon bars and a shorter stem on there. All good so far.
lol ron your bulk cant be that bulky that is a singlespeed is it not
paulo6624 - Member
lol ron your bulk cant be that bulky that is a singlespeed is it not
Yep, and probably the best £15 I have spent on a frame and seatpost, has made riding Afan (on my doorstep) a lot more enjoyable...
good for you mate, cant wait till im fit enough for ss
I never thought I was fit enough, just took the plunge one day built the bike and rode it, and fitness came with it along with crashing lots then learning how to pick lines a little better
Recently converted back to rigid. Love the fast and direct steering it gives over sus forks. Yes you would be faster with suspension forks and your wrists less beaten up after a few hours in the saddle but it feels so right! 😀
Bike above is singlespeed (chain tension devise has been now removed) and on my scales comes in at 21.5lbs Just need to change the brake levers and its finished.
That is lovely- first bike I've seen with those forks that didn't make me feel a bit ill!
my only bike till a week ago.....rigid tourer to go with it now.
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One of mine is a fully rigid Surly 1x1. Not my only bike, but one of the ones I ride the most, lovely simple machine that just works right. Makes me a better rider too.
That is lovely- first bike I've seen with those forks that didn't make me feel a bit ill!
Thanks! Perhaps it helped painting them the same colour as the frame?!
it has been known 🙂
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About 28 pounds. Surly krampus
Ride differently... Hell yes, it goes sh1t fast and has mental cornering traction.
But I did pinch flat a couple minutes after this picture was taken
And what has got to be a the best rigid set up, crashy on his Jones. Ride differently: The geometry here is completely different recipe, and it gives you so much high speed control, wonderful thing. Hang off the back and don't let go.
Both pictures at the end of skyline, Afan. Both bikes ideal rigid alternatives for rocky tough trails. Elsewhere I ride a ti Fargo, a Niner sir9 and even my road bike sees a lot of dirt. All rigid and all lovely.
Almost forgot the clunker classic. Someone used the entire front end of a 70s motocross bike, otherwise all rigid. He did get a nose bleed pushing uphill for 4 miles.
Ride differently... Yes indeed:
Vince not doing so well on a ladies trad roadster..
Bark exploding off a tree
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Vince's foot where his shoulder should be
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Rocks and forearms.
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Wooaahhh!!! 😯
Haven't got the faintest idea how much it weighs, but I love the the the simplicity of a rigid bike.
*Excuse the very short front brake hose. Pics were taken when first built up.
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i take it he was ok charlie? i cant for the lif of me see where his front wheel is on first picture
nice bike ample
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