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As per the title.
I'm thinking of replacing my '22 Stumpjumper Evo with a Gen 4 Levo, and I'm wondering whether I'll be able to get a reasonable price for it?
i looked in the classifieds yesterday... was startled
In what way?
It's mix of people selling bikes for not much less than you could a new bike for (and ultimately not selling them), and people who have realised this and are selling their bikes for a great price. It's definitely a better time to be a buyer than a seller.
Here you go pal, sold listings on eBay will give you a ballpark idea:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=stumpjumper+evo+2022&_sacat=0&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1
As above, it's a buyers' market. I have bought and sold bikes this year. Got a bargain myself and made some buyers very happy.
i looked in the classifieds yesterday... was startled
In what way?
HAve you seen the layout and messaging system ?
😉
Thanks, that's what I thought. I think it's worth hanging onto for now, and see how I get on with the e-bike. Doesn't sound like there will be more loss of value if I delayed selling for a year.
I was looking for a 2nd hand bike for a mate on PB. So much on there- often with the quote "Selling as I now have an e-bike"
As above- some for silly money that had been on sale for ages, and a few that recognised it was a buyers market (esp for non e's)
Having said that another mate sold his 2019 (top spec) Jeffsy for what he wanted in three days. And I sold two trail bikes over the summer. They didn't go quickly, but they went for what was a realistic price.
There were two identical bikes for sale this summer.
I bought the one that was 25% cheaper. The more expensive is still for sale 3 months later
Mine has not actually been ridden much since I got my hardtail. I use it for the alps and occasional bike park use and the rest of the time I ride my hardtail because it's more fun on easier stuff.
I've been keeping half an eye open on the classifieds on here/PB/ebay and it seems a lot of sellers are in absolute dream world. I was told when I bought my last bike that the used market for top spec bikes (analogue or leccy) is dead given how easy someone can walk into a dealership and get a 8 grand bike on interest. If you can do that, who is dropping 4 grand instantly on a used bike??
Buying second hand is always an odd mix of what is selling. In reality if you have a very high bike, the pool of buyers with £5k+ in cash, is pretty limited. It is almost always easier to split and sell from experience.
The high end non electric bike market is a diminishing pool in my view also, but it does really depend on what you are selling.
Sadly a Stumpy Evo isn’t massively exciting or desirable & there is always a choice of them to buy - a good case in point, as I recently bought one for a friend, as it was local to me. A barely used ‘24 Expert model, which even came with a receipt for a mental £600 service the month before & sat unused since. It was £1600 before negotiating & I got him down to £1400.
Nice parts however, seem to be selling quite easily at good prices. I’ve sold a lot of bits recently & priced things ‘aspirationally’ and they have all sold with little negotiation.
I've just picked up a 2022 Hightower c with 2023 fox factory 36 and factory float x suspension, Hope tech 3 e4 brakes with floating rotors and gx 12 spd gears for £1850, its got a few small scuffs here and there but has been invisiframed from new. The guy I bought it from had also bought an ebike last year and had only ridden it 3 or 4 times since he'd upgraded the fork and shock. There are some bargains out there but also a lot of people trying to sell at unrealistic prices
Deffo a buyers market at the moment for bikes
I've seen 12k road bikes that are under 4 months old and with less than 200 miles use selling for under 6k
Presently attempting to sell a FS bike in good condition (genuinely) with a fair number of upgrades, some of which are brand new. Geometry slightly dated, but far from obsolete. Initially priced at just over a grand.
Response so far? Crickets.
Presently attempting to sell a FS bike in good condition (genuinely) with a fair number of upgrades, some of which are brand new. Geometry slightly dated, but far from obsolete. Initially priced at just over a grand.
Response so far? Crickets.
You can get a brand new Polygon Sisku for just over a grand, plus whatever 2023/2024 stock of other brands are still available with massive discounts.
You might be better splitting yours.
From very recent experience there are some silly bargains out there. I bought what I consider a dream bike for me (Hope HB130) in absolutely immaculate condition with all the wireless gubins and Hope componentary for less than a very low spec brand new enduro rig.
The sellers raionale - "I bought an ebike so don't use it anymore".
The sellers raionale - "I bought an ebike so don't use it anymore".
Same when I bought a lightly used Orbea Rallon for a fair bit less than the price of a Calibre Bossnut.
Bit sad that demand for neebs is shrinking so much, but it's making new bikes seem very expensive by contrast.
I've got a hard tail (original price about 1k) I want to get rid of.
Seriously considering donating it to get it out of the garage quickly rather than going to the effort of selling it for what could end up as 300 quid in two months time.
Presently attempting to sell a FS bike in good condition (genuinely) with a fair number of upgrades, some of which are brand new. Geometry slightly dated, but far from obsolete. Initially priced at just over a grand.
Response so far? Crickets.
You can get a brand new Polygon Sisku for just over a grand, plus whatever 2023/2024 stock of other brands are still available with massive discounts.
You might be better splitting yours.
Yeah, I'm coming to the same position; just been very pushed for time lately and was hoping to minimise the arse-ache. Those Siskus really are crazy value.
Deffo a buyers market at the moment for bikes
I've seen 12k road bikes that are under 4 months old and with less than 200 miles use selling for under 6k
Both people I know with a road bike in that value bracket have generous CTW allowances so wouldn’t be losing a great deal if they did sell at that rate. I’d wager that if not going via CTW at that cost the seller probably has enough disposable income not to worry too much!
As above really, if you want to sell be realistic with your pricing. I sold my Orange Stage 5 and Pace RC627 recently as I'd planned to buy an enduro rig. Took a fair old hit on both, especially the mint condition Pace as it had the wrong wheel size. Might be turning my attentions to something electric though as I don't fancy splashing out on another normal bike when the market is collapsing for anything decent.
I’ve had minimal interest in the 2018 27.5 Jeffsy I’m selling. I suspect the unfashionable wheel size is playing a part
i imagine cycle to work is contributing too. Why would anyone buy a second hand bike for more than they could get a new one on C2W, plus having 12 months interest free. I appreciate not everyone can do C2W
If you are in the 100-125k tax bracket, which someone buying a 12k bike may well be, you will still be making a decent profit selling it for $6,000. With my scheme, the company pays 10% and you'd only be paying 38% of 10,800. which is just over 4k so nearly 2k profit from riding around on a superbike for a year.
If it's any use, I've got growing kids so tend to keep an eye out on the market for general bargains. Last month I bought a new 2020 Marin Rift Zone 2 for £600 off pinkbike (£1,845 new)
It's a 29er, dropper, Recons, NX gubbins. It'd been used less than once (seriously, It's new!).
Ok, the colours are a bit jangly when in the flesh, so to speak, but a good deal.
Sadly, I bought it as a "medium" size and it's turned out to be a large (I never thought to check!), and I'm not convinced I can sell it for what I paid.
Sorry to be blunt, but those of you with used bikes who are trying to sell for between 700-1000, if you need to sell, you need to drop to 500-600.
And even then it's got to be immaculate, so worn cranks, dirty bikes, dents etc just aren't going to cut it. 27.5 is very cheap now and not selling much, so needs to get cheaper or be parted out.
Lots of old adverts on eBay, FB and here show stuff isn't shifting. Evidence in this thread shows why, so if you want to sell you need to get radical with your pricing or presentation or ability to post.
Personally, I can't see a way out either. So holding until the weather gets better I doubt will work. When I upgrade my kids' bikes, I'll have to sell theirs too, but that's a future problem... 😭
Case in point, my nephew is thinking of selling his 2021 alu 29er Stumpy in S4 large, bought for (bargain) 800 two years back and he's asked me if I'm interested as he's started driving.
The only ones that have shifted on eBay are 530-600, and there are only a couple of those.
Nothing really sold on PB, a heavily upgraded one at 1,000 sold shows up.
There are plenty listed everywhere for anything between 800-1500 and they simply aren't moving.
Possibly unrelated, but on my local xc rides I hardly see anyone out and about now on mountain bikes. Lots of gravel bikes. One of the cafes that served mountain bikers has gone down from being busy, to a single person selling the odd drink. In WHSmith there are now no MB magazines at all. Perhaps it is no longer the hobby it once was?
The end of the market that seems to be holding up OK is at the budget commuter/gravel bike level. Single speed gravel bikes, especially with disc brakes often seem to be snapped up at £300, whereas you'd think, given the depression overall in the used bike market, you'd be able to pick up a hack like that for £100-200 ...
It’s definitely not as popular imo. Some sub-specialities are such as uplift days/bike parks.
but our night riding group is down to two from an average of 8 riders and max 30riders 10yrs ago and we never see any other riders out. Really good local trails we used to ride are grown over from lack of use.
I think a lot of mtbers have gravitated to road, as it’s usually far more family friendly wrt time commitment, with a few gravitating to e-bikes. My local roadie group have a majority of ex-mtbers. Quite a few have also bought gravel bikes as it makes (in their words) local cc trails fun again and means not spending 3hrs in a car to get to decent trails
I will reassess my Jeffsy pricing!
add on the huge increase in the price of analogue bikes in recent years, plus cost of living pressures it’s no huge surprise
Possibly unrelated, but on my local xc rides I hardly see anyone out and about now on mountain bikes. Lots of gravel bikes. One of the cafes that served mountain bikers has gone down from being busy, to a single person selling the odd drink. In WHSmith there are now no MB magazines at all. Perhaps it is no longer the hobby it once was?
Our local (Rivington) was the busiest with MTBers that I've seen it in ages last night, tons of eebs but quite a few neebs too. And a couple of old faces from here (I think).
I'm also seeing more kids on MTBs on my local local trails, hanging around sessioning the little jumps and keen to chat about bikes and riding.
It honestly feel quite healthy to me 🙂
If anyone has bought an eeb and has a Raaw Madonna or Forbidden Dreadnought knocking around they want to rehome cheaply, give me a shout 🙂
I have a Gen 3 Levo and a 27.5" Airdrop and while I accept that things constantly evolve I would struggle to persuade myself to spend big on another non eeb.
My next bike will be in few years time when the weights of the two are much closer and will be a new e-bike to probably replace both.
If I do replace the Airdrop it will be with a 2nd hand bike.
There was a Salsa Bucksaw with decent spec, seemed to be in good nick, advertised for £800 the other day. Seriously tempted, absolute steal I thought.
It's still for sale, obviously no one else has thought that's a bargain
There was a Salsa Bucksaw with decent spec, seemed to be in good nick, advertised for £800 the other day. Seriously tempted, absolute steal I thought.
It's still for sale, obviously no one else has thought that's a bargain
LOL it's a niche within a niche within a mostly unknown brand.
I think the worst hit will be anything mid travel/mid weight or above, and unmotorised. As thats really where an ebike shines - where the climbing is done as a means to an end.
I think there is still a healthy want for light, fast, up-and-down bikes, be that gravel, hardtails and shorter travel full suspension, racy and downcountry (yuk) style bikes.
I've been keeping half an eye open on the classifieds on here/PB/ebay and it seems a lot of sellers are in absolute dream world
I do wonder if eBay's suggested selling price has something to do with that . I am selling an old frame and eBay suggested I put it on for £250. No way it's worth that
LOL it's a niche within a niche within a mostly unknown brand.
Yep, it is quite unusual... But my Beargrease is a hoot and my friend's Spearfish is brilliant, best of both? Although TBH I'm struggling to think of a situation where it would be better than either
I'm tempted to leave it a while and then try a cheeky £500 offer and see how keen he is to get rid
I've been keeping half an eye open on the classifieds on here/PB/ebay and it seems a lot of sellers are in absolute dream world
I do wonder if eBay's suggested selling price has something to do with that . I am selling an old frame and eBay suggested I put it on for £250. No way it's worth that
Agree - I had a look last night and there are loads and loads and loads of bikes all listed at something random like £3086 which I assumed was due to that. No idea how the algorithm works but in my view, none of the bikes listed at that price were worth it.
all listed at something random like £3086
Possibly because seller lists at £3k and then the buyer fee (ebay commission) is added on?
Incidentally - I've just been idly looking at 26in HTs, with a view to my lad's next bike. Prices range from reasonable, to hopeful, to utterly delusional (over £1k for a c456).
"Random" price is likely to be a hangover from eBay's "buyer protection fee".
As an aside, what would people consider a "reasonable" price for a 2022 Stumpjumper Evo Expert, ride wrapped from new, but reasonably well used with some cosmetic scratches to frame, rims and shock and signs of wear on the cranks etc?
I think the worst hit will be anything mid travel/mid weight or above, and unmotorised. As thats really where an ebike shines - where the climbing is done as a means to an end.
I think there is still a healthy want for light, fast, up-and-down bikes, be that gravel, hardtails and shorter travel full suspension, racy and downcountry (yuk) style bikes.
Yeah, that's where I am. I'll be keeping my 120mm lightweight Spur as it's superb at gobbling up XC miles but I'm finding it hard to justify spending any kind of money on a 150mm+ normal bike.
MTB in general seems healthy around here though. Plenty of groups (usually on E-Bikes) trundle through town and the park where the skate park and pump track live is full of kids on their parents old bikes.
As an aside, what would people consider a "reasonable" price for a 2022 Stumpjumper Evo Expert, ride wrapped from new, but reasonably well used with some cosmetic scratches to frame, rims and shock and signs of wear on the cranks etc?
@chakaping linked an eBay search above.
Model Name + Model Year, change the filter to show only sold items then compare the spec and condition of yours to the results.
No an exact science but should give you an idea.
On the optimistic pricing front I'm surprised at the lack of basic research sellers do when trying to sell their expensive bike. If a quick google search shows you can buy the same model new for £2500 no one's paying you £2800 for your second hand one!
As an aside, what would people consider a "reasonable" price for a 2022 Stumpjumper Evo Expert, ride wrapped from new, but reasonably well used with some cosmetic scratches to frame, rims and shock and signs of wear on the cranks etc?
@chakaping linked an eBay search above.
Model Name + Model Year, change the filter to show only sold items then compare the spec and condition of yours to the results.
No an exact science but should give you an idea.
I've looked at that. I'm not sure how much useful information it gives, which is why I was asking what people on here thought.
100% a buyers' market right now...
But there does seem to be a disproportionate amount of "my wife has told me it has to go" kind of aspirational pricing going on right now too...
2nd hand eBike market doing a bit better than regular MTB's, but that's taken a bit of a dive recently too as oversupply of some new bikes and the discounting going on is hurting the 2nd hand market again.
As an aside, what would people consider a "reasonable" price for a 2022 Stumpjumper Evo Expert, ride wrapped from new, but reasonably well used with some cosmetic scratches to frame, rims and shock and signs of wear on the cranks etc?
@chakaping linked an eBay search above.
Model Name + Model Year, change the filter to show only sold items then compare the spec and condition of yours to the results.
No an exact science but should give you an idea.
I've looked at that. I'm not sure how much useful information it gives, which is why I was asking what people on here thought.
Gives you a rough idea of what similar bikes are selling for.
For example, if one sold for £1600 but was in worse condition or had lesser spec than yours, then you could probably ask for more than £1600 or more. Whereas if there were others that sold for £1800 in better condition or had better spec then that might tell you it's unlikely you'd get £1800 for yours. I just made these numbers up by the way, but that's I how I use the sold items filter to gauge a price for anything I'm selling (bikes, phones, tech, whatever). I usually work out the average price and then undercut it to make whatever I'm selling more desirable. Lots of well lit detailed photos help too, which a lot of people don't provide.
My next bike will be in few years time when the weights of the two are much closer and will be a new e-bike to probably replace both.
I get that, but I've gone the other way. At some point I'm going to "need" an ebike. But until then I'm going to buy non eebs that I really want to ride. Due to discounts/close outs my top spec Hugene and similarly spec'd ex demo 5010 jointly ended up costing about the same or less than the RRP on either. Or probably an ebike, but I don't look at those prices in case I get tempted 😉
Oh my gravel bike sold very quickly even being a 27.5 version.
No-one obviously wants to be the one that burst your bubble, so I will. EBay actual selling price of experts or pro’s look to be 1100-1300, so there’s your max. But, there are quite a few months between some of the sales and we are coming into winter. In my eyes, selling as a whole you are looking at £1000 for a quick-ish sale.
I say this from a position of selling a ‘22 Transition Sentinel with brand new forks from the e-bike that replaced it. I accepted this and got what I could at the time. Holding on hoping for a sudden bounce is a fools errand.
No-one obviously wants to be the one that burst your bubble, so I will.
Not sure I have a bubble to burst, or have said that?
My main reason to sell would be to clear space in the garage. I buy bikes to keep and use, and don't worry at all about second hand value.
If bikes were going quickly and easily then I'd sell it quickly. As it is, they're not, so there's not much point in me selling it quickly. If it's lost ~£5k of it's value, then it's not far off rock bottom IMV, and so delaying selling it isn't going to cost me too much more than selling it now.
£1k is roughly what I think it would be worth on a good day too. To be honest, the last time I sold a bike I put it on ebay with no reserve and was pleasantly surprised by what it went for, and that's probably what i'd do this time.
Sorry to be blunt, but those of you with used bikes who are trying to sell for between 700-1000, if you need to sell, you need to drop to 500-600.
^^This^^
But it also extends to frames/forks/parts, I've been keeping an eye out for another frame lately, not keen to jump on any old crap just because it's available, and I'm not suffering from any real need to buy a frame/bike immediately.
I'd say eBay certainly has an issue with people "over-valuing" bikes and parts, putting enthusiastic 'Buy it Now' prices on (possibly due to the updated fees structure?) but I reckon about 70% of the items I add to my watchlist have a seller offer posted within a few days, and a fair few seem receptive to speculative offers. The suggested pricing numbers are generally on the high side (IMO/IME).
It's not just a buyers market, but one especially suited to hagglers at present. So If you put up a bike for £1k, pretty much everyone looking at it has assumed you will part for it for at least 10% less (£900) and would probably consider an offer well below that (~30%).
If you're a bit of a "I know what I've got" guy, you're not going to shift things. If you're willing to negotiate and just quietly reject derisory offers without getting arsey you'll get it sold.
I recently had our Session frame up for sale at £1750 and was offered £1300 a couple of times
it ended up selling for £1500 and I kept shock, just had to be patient and wait
Not sure I have a bubble to burst, or have said that?
This wasn’t really aimed at you, more to nobody actually wanting to put a figure on it. Sorry if you took it that way.
If reasonably priced and well advertised, things are selling ok. The bike I was selling went within a week and the recent lot of parts I sold all went within a couple of days. Being willing and able to post quickly is a huge plus.
You sound realistic about your expectations. Clean it up, take good photo’s and write an honest listing. Stick it on for £1200 and let the listing run.
Definitely favouring the buyer at the moment. Great deals on new bikes is depressing the secondhand values. Whether the market's any better or worse than this time last year I'm not sure.
At this time 12 months ago I had no plans to change any bikes. But the classifieds and a buyers' market are a dangerous combination for me. Promptly bought a secondhand G1 (upgrading from an older Geometron) and I was done. THEN I spotted a too-good-to-be-true deal on a secondhand Tallboy so that was change no.2. Definitely done now... THEN I somehow bought a near 50% off new e-bike in Dec 🤣
All the additions were on a OIOO basis (one in one out) so I then had to sell one frame and two complete bikes. Frame went quickly as did a 29er steel hardtail for a price I was very happy with. My other rather niche FSer took a bit longer but still sold for what I hoped for. As said above, just have to be patient and stick to your guns / a realistic price.
Being willing and able to post quickly is a huge plus.
...Clean it up, take good photo’s and write an honest listing.
These are such basic things but some folk still don't seem to manage it. I probably go too far the other way and only advertise after I've sourced a bike box and have the bike ready to be packaged. Plus I tend to overdo the photos and description but rather that than too little!
To be honest, the last time I sold a bike I put it on ebay with no reserve and was pleasantly surprised by what it went for, and that's probably what i'd do this time.
This is my method of selling stuff on eBay too with the start price at £1, and I've never been really burned by it. My theory is that you get lots of watchers who are interested in a bargain who then get caught up in a game of 10 pounds more will win it! towards the end. If the start price or buy it now is high, potential buyer just scroll past. Reserves are definitely a turn off, even if you win an auction you may not get the goods.
I favour "Buy it now" and allowing offers, gradually dropping the price if no bites.
But I've never been a gambling man 😀
I sold my 2019 Santa Cruz Hightower LT really quickly a few weeks back. Put it on FB marketplace and sold it within a day to the first person that got in touch. Got £1200 for it, which wasn't bad for a 6 year old well ridden bike that I paid £4000 for in 2019