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I'm heading off to Dumfries this afternoon for some amazing mountain biking (at least that's the plan, perhaps it will be raining when we get there).
Anyway, our local butcher sells amazing pork pies, and I thought - what better trailside food than a nice tasty pork pie? So I thought I'd buy a couple today, and then eat them tomorrow afternoon somewhere in the middle of an enormous forest.
However, my wife swears blind that I will die from food poisoning, or at least be violently sick.
I think that the pies were cooked inside a pastry crust. At that point, any bacteria inside them was killed, so the only bacteria will be whatever is on the outside, which is dry (and a little bit flaky) which my stomach should easily be able to deal with.
So, Oh! Wise ones of STW, yeah or nay to 24 hour old trailside pork pies?
It's a yes from me.
Hi
EHO here. You’ll be fine. Crack on and enjoy
Cheers
Steve
I think the whole point of a pork pie was to prevent food poisoning. So it's a yes from me.
Perfect for the job. Crack on.
I'd not have a problem eating them. But, if in doubt, after a few pints tonight they'll make a nice little snack
Sensible bit - If you can, keep them as cool as possible between purchase and setting out tomorrow as they are meant to be stored chilled
Oh yes indeed. Standard issue hill fodder.
I was told once by an EHO that deep custard tarts (the set kind) were high risk, but only after they'd been cut open - the point of it being a pie was that it was all sealed, so risk was low until opened (as you suggest).
I think this means you shouldn't muck about eating half a pie.
Mmmm, back warmed pork pie, nothing finer. You have my permission to snack on.
Tell your wife that you will eat the pork pie accompanied with a sachet of brown sauce, which will kill any bacteria. 😉
The real question is how will you carry your mustard?
Nothing wrong with a suet pastry crust filled with Mystery Meat....
Hi
On my way to a ride so can’t give a full answer but the law and guidance on pies and tarts whether cut or uncut is not so straight forward.
In short you”ll be fine.
You”re more likely to get food poisoning from the crap on your hands/face/bite valve etc than from the pie.
Cheers
Steve
I've always favoured the sausage roll as you never really know what they put into a pork pie (!!)
What others here have said - best leave it sealed up and then eat it in one go. I think there's actually laws governing leaving part of a pork pie uneaten...
What is it with women and sell-by dates ? In our house, at one second past the sell-by date the bin is full of perfectly edible food
I'd suggest buying a couple extra and having them couriered over to me urgently. I can test for you and report back in time for your dinner tomorrow
... actually, maybe send four
I left a bacon butty on the dashboard of my car which was parked in full sun all day in height of summer. I ate it on my return 6 hours later it was still warm and I didn't die.
I would eat a pork pie after 24hrs out of the fridge, it just won't be as nice because the pastry goes all soft and slimy when they get warm.
Dont tar all women with the same brush, throwing away is a last resort in our house. Sell by dates very rarely get looked at, just laughed at.
Need to call at Percy Turners for a pie now and a couple for next weeks Alps trip
Yes, you will definitely die.
But not from eating that pie.
I can't help but think that your wife,
is causing you ill-informed strife.
Think yourselves lucky, in our household the "best before XX" paranoia has recently been extended to the dog's food.
When my missus expressed concern that I was about to give our terrier some food that was 2 days past its date, my response was that I didn't see the best before date on the fox poo he ate on his walk that morning but he seems pretty damn fine on it!
In conclusion, don't overthink it, eat your pies and enjoy your ride (but prob best to resist the urge to eat fox poo).
@daern I’d like to think that a pork pie from the butcher contains lots of..err..pork.
Had the OP mentioned FarmFoods or Iceland then I’d be mildly concerned. Only mildly because they’re doubtless so full of preservatives that future generations will unearth them and still find them perfectly edible.
@daern I’d like to think that a pork pie from the butcher contains lots of..err..pork.
Had the OP mentioned FarmFoods or Iceland then I’d be mildly concerned. Only mildly because they’re doubtless so full of preservatives that future generations will unearth them and still find them perfectly edible.
Heh, yes maybe my sarcasm got lost in the text. I think that a good, butchers pork pie is a lovely thing indeed. But a supermarket sausage roll on the other hand... 🙂
Do they still use the phrase "hydraulically recovered" on low-grade meat(ish) products? (To denote that they're using the very last stuff which they've hosed off the bones once everyone else has had a go at pulling bits off with hard scrapey things.)
Do they still use the phrase “hydraulically recovered” on low-grade meat(ish) products? (To denote that they’re using the very last stuff which they’ve hosed off the bones once everyone else has had a go at pulling bits off with hard scrapey things.)
I've never understood why people object to this, and/or why it's seen as 'low-grade'. Surely getting every last bit of usable meat is a good thing, and if it's going to be minced up into a pie/burger/sausage, it doesn't matter that it's comes from teensy hosed-off bits in the first place?
I regularly eat pork pies and scotch eggs on day 2 of a trip. They will have been in the fridge on the night of day 0 so will have been out the fridge for around 36 hours. No problems. I'm sure I've eaten the pork pies on day 3 too, scotch eggs have usually been nailed by then! (I'll usually buy a few pork pies in a go, they're getting smashed all the way through!)
Don't buy and get a proper pie. When you get to Dumfries get a haggis and neeps topped off with tattie in a scotch pie case. Or perhaps even a macaroni filled pie? When in Rome....
I’ve never understood why people object to this, and/or why it’s seen as ‘low-grade’. Surely getting every last bit of usable meat is a good thing
I quite agree, I don't have a problem at all with not wasting stuff. But it's never going to be anything other than homogenised mush, so it'll make sausagemeat with the texture of… well, really cheap and unpleasant sausagemeat.
Whether there's a significant nutritional difference between hosed-off slops and more fibrous meat I don't know.
No problem, just don't reheat it.
How about a nice Scotch pie?
Sounds better than some things unearthed on van dashboards and eaten in my youth.
The prawn curry and rice we found on the dashboard after a couple of days in the sun that we had forgotten about after a night working late should have at the very least given us the trots, but not even any wind.
Standard bike trip procedure for me, enjoy
I’ve never understood why people object to this, and/or why it’s seen as ‘low-grade’. Surely getting every last bit of usable meat is a good thing, and if it’s going to be minced up into a pie/burger/sausage, it doesn’t matter that it’s comes from teensy hosed-off bits in the first place?
If you're going to eat animals, eat everything but the oink! (Or moo, bleat, quack etc) Chicken feet for example. Tasty.
As an aside, I've been try to teach my children about the importance of animal welfare. They now know that "happy animals are tasty animals!". A simple way of looking at it, but a good one. If we look after animals, they have a happier life. And taste better.
Finally, pork pies come from Melton Mowbray. Alternatives are available from elsewhere.
Pork pies are ace apart from that chile one that turned up at SSUK a couple of years ago. That brought grown men to their knees
My understanding of why the pork pie was invented and why it has that horrible jelly around it was to prevent it shaking to bits when it was in a horse riders shoulder bag. So basically it was invented as trail food!
I take it the OPs dead?
nah, takes ages to shit yourself dry
(course, it could be botulism but at least that way he'd die wrinkle-free)
in our household the “best before XX” paranoia has recently been extended to the dog’s food.
Best Before Date. This is the date at which food may start to lose flavour or degrade in quality. It won't be harmful to eat food that has passed this date.
Use By Date. This is the date beyond which food may be hazardous to health if eaten.
And i thought I was the odd one out for taking a pork pie as mid-ride food. Seems like the humble pork pie is an under rated yet appreciated food of mountain bikers 🙂
Yes you'll be fine.
Sounds like someone's wife is a millennial snowflake.
One of the spinach generation. Presume she lives in a sterile bubble.
I don't understand.
The pie hasn't been eaten yet?
What kind of witch craft is this?
Du boursin cheese goes well with pork pies and the garlic smell will chase off any bacteria.
There is a good episode of 99% invisible on best before dates. The best before date is usually arrived by feeding people the food at various ages until enough people go “that does not taste as good as I expect” rather than an unacceptable number having to hit the Imodium.
There is a good episode of 99% invisible on best before dates. The best before date is usually arrived by feeding people the food at various ages until enough people go “that does not taste as good as I expect” rather than an unacceptable number having to hit the Imodium.
See my post above. Your linked article is for the US and in the UK there is no such ambiguity with the terms. Best Before has nothing to do with food safety, it is a quality thing. You can sell stuff that's past its Best Before date, although the supplier/manufacturer may not be happy about you doing this. Food past it's Best Before date is fine to eat.
Use By is for food safety and you cannot sell food that is past this date, nor should you eat food that is past this date.
It's best to look for UK sources of info, as food preparation and manufacturing techniques can differ with the US. E.g. Eggs in the US must be kept in the fridge, however UK ones are fine to be kept out of the fridge. This is because US eggs are washed before sale and eggs are permeable to water, so external bacteria can get in. Refrigeration stops these bacteria becoming an issue. UK eggs are pretty much sold as they were when the chicken laid them.
What is it with women and sell-by dates ?
I think the term you are looking for is 'biological clock'
The best before date is usually arrived by feeding people the food at various ages until enough people go “that does not taste as good as I expect” rather than an unacceptable number having to hit the Imodium.
It would be more helpful if the 'Best Before' date was printed alongside an 'LD50 Date' so that you knew where on the scale between 'tastes funny' 'put your affairs in order' you were.
Best Before has nothing to do with food safety, it is a quality thing.
it can be a marketing and stock rotation thing too. Some products have a near infinite shelf life but manufacturers of those products are able to treat the shelves and their packets as saleable advertising space - if you're being paid to promote the latest star wars movie on your cereal/pop/crisps packaging then its best you get that stock off the shelves before its time to start selling adverts for the next lego movie. The best before date encourages the retailers to discount the products and get them out of the way so that they can get the fresh delicious new adverts on the shelves.
Who knows how to post a photo from Flickr on a phone.
We did have a teensy crash later on, thank you to the people who stopped to check we were ok, and also to the nice people in the ambulance. Pork pie not implicated.
Pork pies are rank.
Delete your account.
Flashy, sorry, but they're shit, like pastry covered dog food.
They're delicious. But you might have been buying them from the wrong place.
Having lived in Melton for a couple of years, I can honestly say you won't die from eating a pork pie. Unless you count a slow painful death which will eventually get you when you get to around 80+ years old. Studies still ongoing. I'll let you know. Or not.
Are you in Dumfries now?
If you want a good pie of any kind the places to go are award winners @ Houston’s the butcher, Greenbrae Loaning just of Lockerbie Rd.
Mogerleys, Friars Vennel(the Vennel)in town.
Marchbanks the bakers
Kilnford farm shop, just off the bypass on the way to Dalbeattie or Kirry