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Yeah it's a personal one, but it's interesting to us and I bet to you guys too. In the UK it's a bit rude to ask I suppose but our polls are private. We don't see who voted for what, but adding it all up and coming to a great big average for all of us is useful to us.
If it's tricky to work out because your earnings change or are variable then just approximate what you think it was in the last 12 months.
And it goes without saying, it's up to you if you want to tick a box. Comments obviously welcome but we'd rather you didn't out yourself by stating your earnings in the replies - you can if you really want but... you know.. British and all that.
For clarification.. Gross means before tax and other deductions. But add in bonuses if you have the sort of job that has that. On bonuses think in terms of the last year and not what you think you might earn in the next year.
I'll say again. We don't see who voted for what.
If you want to check out the results or vote in our previous forum polls, they are all stored here..
Hours worked and free time should be included old saying money rich time poor.,,🫢
I've clicked on personal income rather than joint with the wife..
Enough to be relatively fine at the moment, providing I can stay in work
Using dark mode (latest android) and all options are unreadable as the text appears to be the same colour as the background.
Since my farcical ESA phone assessment for long covid ~15 months ago, I've been using my postie ill health retirement settlement money and now what little savings I have.
It's your poll and all....but.
Personal income vs household income. I guess personal income might give you some interesting insight into what we collectively do for a living (how many on a professional wage or own companies etc). Household income I'd say would be a way more interesting question to ask if you had been interested in expendable income and 'lived lifestyle'. That's the question I would have asked.
Just to say, I'm not the person who ticked the >200k ! 😀
Assuming annual income rather annual salary (the joys of retirement 😉 )
Mainly money.
Very occasionally, respect.
Ooooooohhhhh you meant "how much do you earn?"
Household income is useful and may be the subject of another poll. This one will let us compare our demographics to the national averages. In advertsing pitches and media packs it's common to compare an audience to the national average. eg. 15% above national average and the like.
It's your poll and all....but.
There are probably lots of ways you could cut it. Going by the pension threads, you'd imagine there are also plenty of people who might answer the question "what WAS your salary before you retired at 55 with a shed full of carbon bikes" very differently to how they'd state their current income, too...
Just to say, I'm not the person who ticked the >200k ! 😀
Don't worry, captainflashheart probably found time in his busy niche footwear modelling and paperclip entrepreneurism to pop in and keep us grounded.
At the moment bugger all ☹️
Does redundancy count ?
Or should it be joint income ? We equally share our money
joint income and number of kids would be useful
(ive got 4 kids and they are expensive)
So far, after 100 votes, and taking the mid points in each range, the average is coming out around £59k
I earn zero.
Small occupational pension. Small income from a rental property. Very small income from investments
None of that is earned unless you see the pension as deferred income from when i was working
Asking what your income is would make more sense
£59k
Always nice to know you are substandard 😁
Ive put my income in.
All the tradesmen would like to know whether to include the cash in hand jobs?
All the IT contractors would like to know whether to include dividends or just the minimal salary they pay themselves?
All those cliches about overpaid IT mtbers appear to be true!
Just out of interest, I put a screenshot of the numbers into ChatGPT, to see if it could extract the text and give me an average salary (it could - pretty impressive really, I doubt it could have managed a year or two ago).
Then I asked it to guess who these people were, and what common interest united them. It suggested a few options, then plumped for.... a forum for IT professionals 🤔
Yeah but none of them can afford £20 a month to watch Cycling 🙂
thought it was at least £30?
wasn’t the £20/month the best you could do if you already had sky, had a family Vodafone plan, were a Sagittarius, and agreed to 2 years upfront?
Yeah but none of them can afford £20 a month to watch Cycling
I wouldn't watch cycling on TV if you paid me £20 a month!
Now run one on annual tax paid.
Not surprised this is coming out at way above national median - @Mark if you don't mind sharing, what does this mean for STW from a selling ads point of view? I assume people pay more or is it more that you attract different types of advertisers?
'Can't afford' & 'not wanting to pay for something you don't think is good value for money' are very different things.
I could afford an E-bike.....
Doesn't it mean the IT professionals are clustered round that 50, 60k mark? Which is normally what they earn.
I could afford an E-bike.....
I am going to check your baserate and compare it to mine. It better be bloody similar.
Being a Johnny Foreigner I stuck in my salary with the current exchange rate but its maybe not that accurate as I know I earn more than my UK counterparts due to different tax rates/cost of living etc.
Doesn't it mean the IT professionals are clustered round that 50, 60k mark? Which is normally what they earn.
Only the shit ones. I was earning more than that 17 years ago when I took early retirement.
Maybe the average will come down tonight as all the daytime votes are all IT pros sat at their desks, bored waiting for stuff to compile 🙂
I earn zero.
Small occupational pension
You get paid to do nothing if you so wish. That's what I tell my wife when it's pension pay day
Living from disability benefits I’m in the £10k-£20k, so does that mean I’ll get targeted adds for charity shops, food banks etc?
😉
Benchmark here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/annualsurveyofhoursandearnings/2024
Median for "IT business analysts, architects and systems designers" in the dropdown menu (FIGURE7) is £54905.
Only the shit ones. I was earning more than that 17 years ago when I took early retirement.
Mods, please can you reset SR's account. I think it's been hacked by an £#@&hole!
Retired 6 years ago and living off saving/inheritance, we live off much less than most but "money doesn't buy you happiness"
It's a good job STW staff aren't posting on here, that'd drag the average down a little...
I'm a Firefighter so get what we get. Think it's about 37k now? Pension costs nearly £400 pm though so that makes a dent but then I get to retire early. Some opportunity for over time but not that much.
Wife earns more than me, she just tips in to the higher tax bracket.
Im lucky as my wife earns more than me. I'm also old and don't have to pay for barbers any more.
Ha. Me too.
Pension would also be an interesting part of it. Quite a few people over 45 might be lucky enough to have a final salary pension which is paid almost entirely by their employer. Yes they can make additional contributions, but it’s optional. Many people under 4( will be reducing their income by having to contributed 6-15%.
Living from disability benefits I’m in the £10k-£20k, so does that mean I’ll get targeted adds for charity shops, food banks etc?
Nah, weed and expensive credit
A big fat zero (currently unemployed). 👎
Living from disability benefits I’m in the £10k-£20k, so does that mean I’ll get targeted adds for charity shops, food banks etc?
Nah, weed and expensive credit
Thanks, but I'm sorted for weed.....(I'm not really, so send it my way please as I can no longer grow. weed helps my spms....this pic was taken 15 years ago when my body was functional enough to tend to my plants)
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I'm a Firefighter so get what we get. Think it's about 37k now? Pension costs nearly £400 pm though so that makes a dent but then I get to retire early. Some opportunity for over time but not that much.
You can include your full time job too.
Many people under 4( will be reducing their income by having to contributed 6-15%
Don't forget the student loans! That's another 15% if you took a postgraduate loan too
Only the shit ones. I was earning more than that 17 years ago when I took early retirement.
OK Bill Gates, you're my hero
Only the shit ones. I was earning more than that 17 years ago when I took early retirement.
Scotroutes - earnings in IT and IT-type roles, especially compared to others, have come down over the last couple of decades (based on my 40 years of working within 'IT', and still working).
I went back 'on the tools' after the Financial Crash and have only recently gone passed what I was earning 20 years ago (equivalent perm role). Contract-wise roles like mine are paying what I was earning in the very early 2000's.
All those cliches about overpaid IT mtbers appear to be true!
Oi!
Some of us are overpaid in other sectors actually...
Not sure how advanced this new polling function is yet, but it might have been interesting to see how wage, age and gender look combined for the STW demographic.
My suspicion is that salaries (nationwide) still map in favour of us "stale, male and pale" types, but obviously my suspicions ain't facts...
@FuzzyWuzzy - at least I'm IT literate enough to be able to use the Quote button.
@intheborders - intereresting. Thanks for the feedback. I know some ex-colleagues who've continuted to do comparatively well, but I guess a relatively stagnant salary might be expected now that ChatGPT can do the job for "free".
Does anyone else think this is an exercise in adding info to their user profile for remarketing purposes? I'm never comfortable with these sorts of 'polls' without knowing why and what is done with the data.
I'm a Firefighter so get what we get. Think it's about 37k now? Pension costs nearly £400 pm though so that makes a dent but then I get to retire early. Some opportunity for over time but not that much.
You can include your full time job too.
Whilst filming Ambulances for the BBC and working in the joint Fire / Ambulance stations .....
One station on a night shift I was told I could sleep with the Firefighters in their rec room if I needed to, I didn't I had work to do.
Another station we were told to not work in the station overnight as it disturbed their sleep 😂
Do we need a Fire Brigade, yes. Do we also need to mock them for the amount of work they don't do, also yes 😂
Does anyone else think this is an exercise in adding info to their user profile for remarketing purposes? I'm never comfortable with these sorts of 'polls' without knowing why and what is done with the data.
Probably / sort-of
It's mentioned in the opening post.
The internet in general probably has a much more accurate idea anyway. Google/ Facebook / X / others will know exaclty what ads you click on, what you pause to look at for more than a few seconds, and from that will have a pretty detailed view of your income and even what day your paid.
STW knowing that only 15% of respondents earn less than the UK average is fairly crude data by comparison. Although might help them sell more expensive adds than say MBUK where the average reader probably still receives pocket money.
Quite a few people over 45 might be lucky enough to have a final salary pension which is paid almost entirely by their employer.
Such as?
Completed it for myself, which on the face of it is a decent amount (in the modal bracket at the time I'm writing this), but as a household income for a family of four, it doesn't go so far these days.
I have a suspicion don't people may be adding household income
18+% of contributors on over £100k doesn't seem to fit the general feeling on here. I could be wrong 🤷
Another station we were told to not work in the station overnight as it disturbed their sleep 😂
Yeah I got told not to make a noise when coming in for our break when I worked shifts on a shared station. It had the opposite effect and they tried to ban me from returning to cover more shifts.
Strange that the only person who was honest about their earnings and about the profession is the only one getting criticism. £37,000 for working shifts and weekends doesn’t appear excessive to me, perhaps we could have some honesty from some of the keyboard warriors on here too?
Such as?
Such as, what?
I was honest with my Salary
Whilst filming Ambulances for the BBC and working in the joint Fire / Ambulance stations .....
One station on a night shift I was told I could sleep with the Firefighters in their rec room if I needed to, I didn't I had work to do.
Another station we were told to not work in the station overnight as it disturbed their sleep 😂
Do we need a Fire Brigade, yes. Do we also need to mock them for the amount of work they don't do, also yes 😂
Water off a ducks back mate, quiet nights were a god send when the kids were infants! They tried to come after our beds once but when we said '"Fine, let's discuss the shift allowance you're going to pay, with the Police as a starting point" they went strangely off the idea.
You can include your full time job too.
Don't have one, spend too much time playing with my bikes.
Nice. The way it should be, enjoy.
Quite a few people over 45 might be lucky enough to have a final salary pension
🤣 🤣 🤣
I wish I was one of those few. Especially with the recent Trumpian chaos and its effects on investments.
Final salary schemes were already disappearing before the turn of the century. My option for one disappeared in about 2001. In every pension scheme I've been in there have been employee and employer contributions. Reasonably, several of those had compulsory employee contributions even before it was mandated.
Maybe more likely in public service but even there many pensions have changed so those over 45 are likely to have a mix of final salary and average earnings. For which they will have made contributions from their salaries too.
Gross salary is a reasonable measure to choose.
Pension is a different concept from salary. Perhaps you're getting at the 'total benefits' package idea espoused by employers who want to suggest that the £25,000 per year salary is more like £35,000 when you consider the employer pension contributions, benefits in kind, and other ways to make it feel like pay hasn't been stagnating in the UK for the past 20 years?
Current average (Based on mid range values and assuming all 200k+ are actually 200) after 500+ responses is £67k
Oi @scotroutes & @fuzzywuzzy
How does this topic result in you both throwing insults at each other? Pack it in.
Huh. Apparently I earn less than I did 10 years ago, both in salary (before I left the UK) and in terms of inflation.
Not really sure I care too much about that though, my quality of life is a damn sight better than it was when I was in the UK.
Current average (Based on mid range values and assuming all 200k+ are actually 200) after 500+ responses is £67k
I took a wrong turn in life somewhere! 😬 🤦♂️
Such as?
Such as, what?
Such as which jobs attract a final salary where the employee doesn’t have to contribute?
I'm going to post a household income poll next week.
Such as which jobs attract a final salary where the employee doesn’t have to contribute?
Call me naive, but it had literally never occurred to me until today that this might ever have been a thing.
Really? No employee contributions??
I'm off to tap up my dad for £20