So no medium arkose 4s in till mid June? any chance they'll be in sooner?
Also question on sizing, medium should be fine for me, eh? I'm comfortable on a 17.5", 2011 core 40. (5' 9/10ish", 30" inseam.) I tend to run it with saddle and bars pretty level no spacers and stem turned to the lowest way. I'd probably want to set the arkose up a similar way, ie relax as opposed to racey, arse in the air mentalness!
Another wee question here, say I did go for the 3(I do prefer the black), I think that's a 48/32 on there, with 11-32. What's the largest cassette that would take on the back? 32 the biggest?
Thinking of fully loaded bike backing duties here.
(an extension of this train of thought) https://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/so-dipping-my-toes-into-this-adventure-road-malarky/#post-9945428
Also question on sizing, medium should be fine for me, eh?
I'm the same height as you and the medium was bang on when I tried it in the shop.
cool, cheers.
Last one..i promise. Has anyone fitted a drop seat post on their arkosy? model? internal or external? did you have to hack into the frame for the cable?
Ooo, I'm interested in this. I got the Arkose Alfine model last year; love it for road/BW/road rides from my door. But would like it even more with a dropper. Shame it's 27.2mm, massively restricts the options
Anyone gone full length cable outer for rear mech ?? .... mine seems to go through rear mech cables quite quick when the conditions are bad ?? .... tried different brands etc , but may just drill the stops out and go full outer
Another wee question here, say I did go for the 3(I do prefer the black), I think that’s a 48/32 on there, with 11-32. What’s the largest cassette that would take on the back? 32 the biggest?
Pretty much same measurements as you and went for a medium, absolutely love it. If you did get a 3 the new 105/ultegra can do 11-34, maybe the older 105 will too with a bit of fiddling? Otherwise could swap the mech out for an r8000 or get a roadlink.
A few bits of Arkose info if anyone is after a bit of geek details.
Building up a small Arkose 1 2017 frameset, so same frame as higher up Arkoses but carbon/alloy steerer forks.
Frame weighs 1460g, forks uncut weigh 800g.
Beautiful matt blue colour, well pleased.
Converted a Fulcrum Red Power HP 27.5 front wheel from 15mm to 12mm with a Halo reducing sleeve and it fits perfectly.
Specialized Fast Track Control 2" tyres fit with no problem but may be a bit tight with loads of mud.
Thanks to @Jameso for the info and advice.
I'm looking at the alfine option Would be grateful to hear any more info on durability/maintenance required?
I bought an Arkose 4 about 6 weeks ago. I love riding it on and off road but having problems with the shifting. Not smooth, often struggles to move up a ring, sometimes slips off a ring, doesn't feel right! I've taken it back to Evans 4 times now - they've been very patient - but wonder if there may be a damaged component somewhere? Any ideas or similar experiences?
First ride impressions are very positive. It was quite capable off-road so long as you pick your line well, and surprisingly pacy on road. I liked the tyres and the hydro brakes. I dropped the chain a couple of times so I reckon the new ultegra clutch mech is a worthwhile upgrade. Shifting not quite as smooth as my road bike, and Evans haven't set the front indexing correctly. All in all, a great bike for £1k.
@Jameso and other Pinnacle enthusiasts, another tyre clearance question for you!
I have a Pinnacle Dolomite 4, 2017 model. Takes 32mm 700c tyres comfortable.
I'm curious about a 650b retrofit, for no other reason other than i (potentially) can and it would be a bit of a laugh blasting around bridleways with the mrs. I know there's no way you'd get a 650 x 47C Horizon in, but something like a 650 x 40C would be interesting...
Any ideas what the max size 650b tyre you might squeeze into a Dolomite frame is? Anyone given this a go!?
I realise the correct answer here is probably "buy an Arkose frameset", but would be interested if anyone's been down this route. Bike would spend most of it's day with 700C x 28s anyway. Also, dry weather only (so mud clearance not a big deal).
Drivetrain question for anyone. I plan on using shimano 5700 105 10-spd shifters, FSM megaExo 48/32 crankset, Tiagra FD, XT 9-spd Mid Cage RD and 11-36 10-spd cassette. Will i need to use a road link to get the capacity ill need to use the 11-36?
TIA Cheers
@jameso, apologies for more trivial questions, but hopefully you can clarify these before they become my obsession:
- The Arkose 4 2017 framesets in stock at Evans, are they from the early production run, ie. do they have hidden mudguard mounts, or both mounts on the outside of the chainstay?
- Can a (di2) front mech be installed on a Arkose LTD frame?
Thanks
Will i need to use a road link to get the capacity ill need to use the 11-36?
I use an 11-34 10 speed with the same shifters and with a 9 speed rear mech and it works flawlessly. I'd assume the 36 would be ok.... But you'll probably not know till you try.
I've been wondering about best way to get lower gearing, those road links look ok, but the extra leverage looks like a easy way to a bent mech hanger to me.
Could you not just fire on, say the Arkose 3, an mtb chainset, say something like 26 - 40/2(I haven't thought about the specific gearing too much just curious.) or something? Kinda problems would you run into with something like that? would it work with the derailler or would you need to replace front derailleur and fit an mtb bb with spacers or something (guessing here) (What's the width of the arkose bb?)
but wonder if there may be a damaged component somewhere? Any ideas or similar experiences?
Sounds like a bit of a faff, sorry about that. Worth checking the frame alignment perhaps, BB face to seat tube? The shop can discuss with us at the Pinnacle workshop if needed.
Could you not just fire on, say the Arkose 3, an mtb chainset, say something like 26 – 40/2(I haven’t thought about the specific gearing too much just curious.) or something? Kinda problems would you run into with something like that? would it work with the derailler or would you need to replace front derailleur and fit an mtb bb with spacers or something (guessing here) (What’s the width of the arkose bb?)
I use a 28-42 or 40 on a test bike that's part Arkkose, part Pyrolite. Road STIs won't shift an MTB mech well or move a road mech quite far enough out to cope with a 48mm CL though so I use bar end shifters on it. There are better (smaller chainset options appearing but it's slow... we need a 30-44 on a 45mm+ CL at Sora-105 level)
– The Arkose 4 2017 framesets in stock at Evans, are they from the early production run, ie. do they have hidden mudguard mounts, or both mounts on the outside of the chainstay?
– Can a (di2) front mech be installed on a Arkose LTD frame?
The framesets are the double outer M5s, pretty sure of that. Di2 front - no sorry, it's a 1x specific frame.
Will i need to use a road link to get the capacity ill need to use the 11-36?
Not if you're using an XT mech, no.
Any ideas what the max size 650b tyre you might squeeze into a Dolomite frame is?
Maybe a 38, not sure about a 42 like the PariMoto, but your BB will be lower than needed to pass the lean angle regs in ISO. A PariMoto 42 is about 673mm OD and the Dolomite frame is 35mm clearance/spacing between the chainstays at 340mm from the axle. So a 38, probably. Just. Maybe not to be recommended. “buy an Arkose frameset” : )
I’m looking at the alfine option Would be grateful to hear any more info on durability/maintenance required?
Grit CX had some issues with water ingress in theirs. That's unusual though, in all honesty the 8s hub has been pretty reliable the whole time I've had experience of bikes using it, from the Day One Alfine to now, 9 years+? The 11s Alfine had a few grumbles early on but the 8 is sound, just keep he pressure washer away from it and get it oil-bath serviced once a year if you're doing reasonable miles, say 4000 a year or more.
Cheers Jameso,Yes defo sounds like there's a middle road required for gravel bikes that's not catered for, guess it'll happen at some point soon.
Sounds like the arkose 4 is proably my best option then, so i'll need to be patient that they are available in 38/36, 1x42 sounds about right I think, easiest and cheapest route.
Thanks. Ill post pics once its completely assembled. Still have wait another six weeks or so before i can ride it though due to shoulder surgery.
Arkose 4 shifting problems sorted - Evans fitted the slightly smaller diameter SRAM cable and now it's wonderful!
Back from first ride on my new Arkose build.
Arkose 1 frameset, Shimano 105, Fulcrum 650b.
Love it.
Last stupid question, I promise!
For anyone with a non-LTD 2017-2018 frame, is it di2-friendly? It looks like wires could pass through the bottom bracket port, but what about down tube entry? Does one need to drill a cable stop, or could just squeeze a wire together with the brake hose? Also, can the routing be done through the BB shell to an internal battery in the seat tube?
@mounse701 lovely build, althogh to me it looks like the wrong colour seatpin 🙂 (love the spacers though)
@jrmac don't mind some WIP pics 🙂 also any idea about my questions above?
@jameso thank you for the info!
@genubah Thanks. I prefer silver seatposts as black posts I've had look tatty quickly due to bags and removing and refitting the seatpost, plus I can't actually see it when I'm riding!
Okay, I’m having a nightmare deciding which model.
Alfine: I’ve got a 10 year old iOID which the hub has been flawless.... I love the silence and simplicity in mud. I know there was a recent review that wasn’t too complimentary about the hub but I know their limitations.
X: similar to above... loose B.B. hubs put me off slightly (I know the alpine is cup and cone). Great price.
4: 1x drivetrain... a few more £ but I’m guessing the gearing can help upset a few of the roadies should I venture that way....
help!
Could you not just fire on, say the Arkose 3, an mtb chainset, say something like 26 – 40/2(I haven’t thought about the specific gearing too much just curious.) or something? Kinda problems would you run into with something like that? would it work with the derailler
Wrong frame, but I had an MTB triple with a 40/28 double setup mounted on the inner/middle tabs, setup with a roadie front mech if that helps? That was on a roadrat.
Cheers, think i've settled on 1x, Don't think I've ever owned a bike where the front mech hasn't ceased! 😆 I'm fairly maintenance reluctant, and just replace chain chain ring and cassette every so often. No front mech means no having to uncease it! Sound good to me. plus the option of being able to just swap out chain rings, if I want higher sounds fine. Will need to check chain length on that mind you, but I guess it should work ok.
5-8/9ish on a medium "4" using a 80mm stem with no rise and a straight seat post. Bar and seat are pretty much level allowing use if all the bar hand positions.
Ive found two ways. The first was using a road triple running bash guard/44T/30T and a 11-34 cassette. Now im using a FSA 48/32 double and 11-36 cassette. I liked the road triple combo a lot b/c the BCDs allowed me to use many more chainring variations unlike the FSA where i had to jump up to larger cassette. Both times i have not needed to use a road link just medium and long cage MTB RDs.
Great thread this with lots of top info.
I'm going for a test ride on an Arkose 3 at the weekend (hopefully if it arrives at the Edinburgh store by then). This will be the first time that I'll have ridden anything resembling a road bike for about 20 years. I'm a mountain biker at heart but now have a need to a commuter to see me through road, trail, canal paths and also some light Pentlands use. Will be interesting to see how I get on with the gears - slightly different from trigger shifters.
Anything I should be looking out for on my test ride as far as bike set up goes? I'm 6'4" so have gone for the biggest frame.
One thing is, I really like the black finish on the Arkose 3, but would much prefer the Arkose 4 due to spec (forks and 1x gearing). Would Evans swap out an Arkose 3 frame into the Arkose 4 spec? That bright yellow/greeny colour of the 4 really isn't my thing and would prohibit the sale.
Can't wait to ride it :o)
Need to give my Arkose 2 some love (the 1x10, hydro one), have done about 10k miles on it now and need to replace the whole drivetrain (it's had a couple of cassettes and chains in that time but no chainring or new cable)
Some questions
- I could do with more top end so I'm thinking of going up a chainring size, pretty sure it's 38t from the shop. Will go to 42t to make worthwhile. If I look for any 42t 110bcd chainring that should be fine right?
- When I replace the chain I'll presumably need it to be longer than the one i'm running, any quick way of working out how many more links it needs? (I'll stick with a 11-36t cassette)
- I might as well run a new cable. It has a bar end shifter with the cable run under the bar tape, then internally run cables. Can I replace the cable without having to redo the bar tape etc? Is that going to cause me any trouble? Also, the cable has what looks like a jagwire connector near the head tube, what's that for?
So, tonight, after a very short (I knew it was spot on straight away) test ride, I left Evans in Edinburgh with my new bike 😎
so happy with it after a couple of wee rides tonight. Front shifter isn’t set right - chain rubs on the front mech when on the big ring at front and wee 3 rings at the back end.
I’m going to enjoy my commute 👍🏻
bump, any tips from anyone? Figured it would be helpful to have all the info in one place but it's also easy to get buried...!
Hey Ben ... 42T might be a challenge for CS space. Ring will be 2-3mm off the CS. A 40T would have better clearances. It's a 5-arm 110 on the 2015 bike, yes.
Adding 4 teeth to the ring - add 2 full links to the chain. Cables, new outer means new tape or a re-wrap. Inner can usually be fed through as-is as long as it's new with a soldered / uncut end. The Jagwire connector is just a barrel adjuster for gear cable tension.
Peter, all good, glad it's made the right impression!
Hi...
Anyone know what tyre clearance for 650b the older models have?
Specifically I was hoping to run 650b WTB horizons at 47mm on the 2015 SingleSpeed framed Arkose.
Is this a non-starter? The rear looks like it would take them but the fork looks like it might be tight.
If not possible what is the max I can get away with/alternative tyre choice?
Cheers
650 x 42s fit OK but a 47mm will be tight in the fork, part of the reason we got a new fork made with more height and side clearances for 2017.
Jameso - thanks, just the info I was after. I'll get some bits ordered now. Got back on the bike this morning and gear changes weren't very responsive so I need to do this sooner rather than later
Have managed to scuff the saddle on my 2015/A4, and need a new one.
Can't see a direct replacement (Pinnacle Race) on the Evans website, any ideas for something the same shape/comfort level ?
Can’t see a direct replacement (Pinnacle Race) on the Evans website, any ideas for something the same shape/comfort level ?
It's the Velo VL-1205, same Velo saddle model that the FWE Charge Spoon, Madison Flux, Giant, many Genesis bikes etc use - a common shape. Foam and cover types can vary but they're essentially the same. Fabric Scoop feels very similar to me also, same basic shape but not quite the same saddle.
It's a fine saddle. I'm going to get one for my mountain bike as well.
Loving my Arkose. It's turning out to be the perfect commuting bike for Edinburgh. Quick enough on road, has been great for little off road excursions through the Hermitage trails and the odd detour into the Pentland foothills. Only place I've suffered is on the cobbles in the new town where it's all a bit unforgiving. Along the canal paths is great though.
Jameso:
Looking at buying an Arkose Alfine frame as a stopgap due to one of my other bikes getting tired, with a view to running it geared (2x11) and having the option of single speeding it for the winter when funds allow for replacement.......
Is it possible to run the alfine version geared? I take it there is sufficient cable stops for a rear mech cable and front mech cabling?
What else would I need? Extra dropout etc?
Thanks!
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Can anyone recommend me some decent cheapish road slicks to try on my 2017 arkose 2 please - 25mm ? 28mm? should i use inner Tubes,and at what pressure?
I am looking to try and up my speed on the tarmac ,and it's still on the kenda 35mm gravel tyres it came with which are rated at 50psi max.
I'm an off roader at heart and know nothing about road bikes /road tyres and appreciate that it may ? be the wrong bike for high road speeds, but I want to get out on the roads with a few lads from work who are on proper road bikes so I want to give myself the best possible chance of keeping up . Thanks.
I've had Hutchinson Sector 28s tubeless on my Arkose 3 (wtb rims) without any issues.
I've been using Panaracer Gravel King slicks in either 32c or 28c on my Arkose for road duties. Not marked as tubeless ready but have been perfect.
Ordered my Arkose 4 on the CTW scheme..... Can’t wait until it comes in July!
Absolutely loving my 4...went for a ride today that took in roads, gravelly towpaths, bit of forest, some rocky stuff and it didn’t miss a beat.
Hey guys!
I've read so many things about gravel bikes, compared so many products... and now I've finally settled on the Arkose 4! It's such a lovely bike, the perfect mix between design (<3), specs & functionality.
Now I want to order it asap, but I'm totally stuck in the process of choosing the right size for me.
I'm 187cm, inseam of 89cm, arm span of ~187cm, so I'm basically between L and XL. I've talked with two different support guys at Evans: the first one told me to go with the L, and the other one with the XL. On this forum, I've seen people my size going for one or the other. So I'm really ensure about which one to take.
With the XL one, I'm afraid to gain weight and loose agility / rigidity. With the small one, I'm concerned about the lack of comfort on longer trips. Is there a noticeable difference in their behaviour? Do you know the delta in weight between the two?
Any help and feedback from Arkose riders would be greatly appreciated. And thanks for the thread, it's awesome.
PS: jameso, you rock.
Have you got an Evans nearby? Why not just take them for a test ride and see for yourself?
I have an XL arkose and I'm 6'3 (about 190cm)
Unfortunately not, I agree that this would be the best solution, but I'm living in Switzerland...
Mikav - Depends on the type of riding. I ride mine on similar trails to my hardtail mountain bike (singletrack, occasional steepish technical bits where i have to hang off the back) so If your doing the same, i'd suggest large. If its mostly road / towpath for longer distances then the XL might be more comfortable.
My Arkose is the size down from my road bike for this reason and that works well for me.
I imagine the weight difference will be almost non existent.
Andy, sorry, late reply, been away. No probs to run the Alfine/EBB version 1x geared, just buy the geared hanger for it. CGs are on the frame, only the FD is not catered for but a sideswing could be made to work.
Mikav, I'd go for the XL. But if it's wrong Evans would swap it in 30 days and you should be able to try before you buy anyway. (Slow post sorry, just saw you're in Switzerland, but still, ask about right bike guarantee as I'm not sure if it works overseas). You're taller than me and I ride the L. Weight isn't an issue, maybe 75g between sizes as off top of head estimate. Stiffness will be a fraction less but fit is way more important. Unless you're a really strong rider wanting cx race feel I would choose on fit only. I'd ignore yhe size down thing also. And thanks, though I really don't 🙂
Wow thanks so much Blackflag and jameso for your feedback. You guys were really helpful, and I think you convinced me to go with the XL version. I'm sure the bike is still agile in XL, and I won't ride crazy steep and rocky trails!
I'll order in the coming days 🙂
Hey Ben … 42T might be a challenge for CS space. Ring will be 2-3mm off the CS. A 40T would have better clearances. It’s a 5-arm 110 on the 2015 bike, yes.
I realise the question was asked a month ago but, in case it might help others, thought it worth chipping in anyway to say I have run a 42T on my 2015 1x Arkose 2. It did look very close to the chainstay, although so does the 38T, but it did clear.
Mikav,
I am 6ft2 (188CM) inside leg of 88CM, and I ride the Arkose 2 2016 frame. XL for me is absolutely fine for road riding, gravel roads etc. A Large would probably be too small. I think its all about the stack measurement.
Had a few rides with 35mm tubeless G-One All Rounds on my 2015 Arkose 4. They went up tubeless with no drama at all (25mm Tesa Tape, one wrap).
They roll great on road and grip as well as the SB8s off road (so far).
Swapping mine tonight
Got a medium and at 5ft8 n with a knackered back it's too long... it killed me
Going for a small I think
Hi bike People’s
because im Living in Denmark and dont have any change to try one i hope someone Can inform me.
Is there anyone With 50mm tires on ?
is the bike comfy on longer rides 4-5-6 hours? Espacially the handlebar is a big revolution for me....im Comming from 27.5+ Marin pine and cannondale beast og the east.....
cheers Rasmus
Yep, 50mm/2 inch Maxxis Re-fuse 650b on a Pinnacle Arkose 2017.
Fits no problem at all. Also have 2.0 inch Specialized Fast Trak 650b which fits easily as well. These measure to about 52mm on the outermost tread but I wouldn't go any larger than that.
Cheers
Big thanks !
Do you have any experience with 700 wheels?
Is the blue arkose with the fulcrum 27.5 yours (seen picture here in this forum but can't find it again 🙂
Great looking bike (looks like the salsa journeyman)
Thanks @sumsar81 - yeah the blue Arkose with Fulcrums is mine, loving it!
I have a set of 700c for mainly road rides with 37mm Voyager Hypers but I much prefer to head off road as much as I can. With 650b fitted it feels more nimble and no hitting the front wheel with my feet on sharp turns.
Don't think you can really go wrong with an Arkose.
No Im thinking your have a good point with the arkose and it Will be a good bike.....but coming from mtb, riser bar and big wheels I need a little push 🙂
Have you measured the space between the tires and frame ? With the 700 wheels on...
I haven't measured the gap but they're designed to take 700x45c, I'm guessing with 5/6mm space either side.
Mine arrived yesterday- can't wait to get out on it later 😀
I'm torn between a single or a double chain ring version.
What are the feelings and experience of people that have gone one way or the other ?
I'm expecting my riding to be mainly leisure, maybe some bikepacking but will with some steepish off road hills.
Ok and thanks
The reason why I'm Asking is because I read somewhere that the arkose will take up to 50 mm without mudgards... I have asked Evans but they can't confirm. Perhaps its not important anyway because the number of tires with sizing 700x50mm is very limited....
Are you coming from mtb or road?
Can you perhaps take a photo of the blue arkose with the 650? From above behind the bottom bracket to see the tire clearance.....
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Big thanks! </span>
Well first outing on my 4 didn't go so well....
First tube pinch flatted 2 miles into ride.... second tube 0.1 mile later. Push home, convert to tubeless and much better, but only short ride as I'd run out of time.
Gear shifting not great and think I need to move saddle back frame seems short even though at 5'9.5 a medium should be optimal.
Hoping for a better ride tomorrow!
Go on, show us a picture of the new tourer James. 🙂
@jameso - I'm trying to convince my wife to get an Arkose but she just doesn't get on with drops.
Which Pinnacle flat bat hybrid is most similar to the Arkose?
Update: a superb morning ride on a mix of unclassified roads and bridleways and the tubeless setup worked a treat. Gears tweaked and are better and think with a couple of adjustment to bar/saddle angle it’ll be spot on.
Thinking of 45c tyres for a little more rim sympathy off-road....
Can see this machine getting a huge amount of use 🙂
Good stuff @miketroid, glad it's starting to work out.
Which Pinnacle flat bat hybrid is most similar to the Arkose?
The Neon disc - essentially a 2016 Arkose F+F with flat bars / flat bar geo. Fits up to 40C.
@sumsar81 Pretty sure the specs for clearance are 650b x 50mm and 700c x 45mm. I'll get a pic when I can but I'm away from the bike for a few days at the mo.
I had a road bike and MTB before but just have the Arkose now. It does road and off-road pretty well but neither as good as separate bikes. As long as you don't expect it to perform like a specialist bike you're sorted I reckon. I just enjoy riding more now, more relaxed, comfortable and can do a bit of bikepacking as well.
For much better detailed info the Arkose designer @jameso is on this forum, he's the font of all known Arkose knowlege!
I've had the 2018 Arkose 4 for a few months. Great bike for commuting and weekend off road rides. I've take it a few times on 4x4 tracks in the Cairngorms National Park, and it's handled well.
Once thing I noticed is a clicking/popping sound coming from the rear of the bike, which has occurs since it was new but has gotten louder over time. Apparently there been issues with the freehub in previous years models, so it might be related to that. Handed it in this morning to Evans for an inspection, so will hopefully get it sorted.
Apparently there been issues with the freehub in previous years models, so it might be related to that.
That was a single batch issue on KT freehubs of an earlier design, but still with getting it checked. Most likely a bit of grease and torque needed somewhere.
Am I going to get these on my 2015 Arkose 2?
Seemed to cheap to pass up, the specs on the Q&A on the site for the bike suggest the hub is 135 at the back and 100 at the front.
I believe the WTB 40c nanos are on 17mm rims by standard.
Looks like the tyres included with the wheels are 2.25 and on 19mm rims.
Plan if the tyres can't go in, is to put my 28c tyres on the stock rims for road use/turbo training, and I'll move the Nanos across to these new rims?
Thanks
@jameso I hope you can clarify the stock situation, I see that Evans website is saying no Arkose 2 until October, is this a realistic date ?
When would the 2019 colours / model be released ?
Am I going to get these on my 2015 Arkose 2?
I very much doubt it, not a 2.25. It would be a skim-fit on the current bike that has the new fork. Sorry...
@jameso I hope you can clarify the stock situation,
I can't sorry, better to ask via the website as the team who have stock ETAs can pick it up. 2019 model ETAs will be November or so, we don't have really early model launches in July etc.
No worries thanks for the reply. The existing WTB nanos can go on the new wheels, I'll stick my slicks on the original wheels, and I'll have a hunt for a cheap cassette and pair of brake rotors. Hopefully don't need anything else but it's been a long time since I've assembled bike bits so off to YouTube I go.
I'll stick the other tyres on eBay to make a few quid back.
The tourer looks fantastic - brilliant spec and silly value - didn't realise it was out 🙂
Looks proper classy too. What's the tyre clearance like James?
Impressed you've got rid of the toe overlap, so many don't bother and the gearing is spot on.
Nice one.