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nope - not the fish, the black boingy things....
basically, what's the difference between pre 2018, 2018, and 2019 models
I read stuff about Debonair and Charger dampers, but get a bit confused. I think Debonair air spring came in in 2018 then the Charger damper in 2019 - do they make a difference? Will I notice?
thanks!
Charger damper has been around ages - but there was a charger 2 damper released in the last few years. Meant to be better, although tf tuned think the first version was better made from a conversation I had with them.
The debonair word has been bandied around for a while - but the real difference is in the 2019 fork. The airshaft has been changed so there’s a much bigger negative spring - so the fork is more willing to get moving on small bumps and should then have more mid range support.
okay - so sounds like 2019 is the one to go for
Or buy an older one in any travel for £££ less and switch to the new spring in the desired travel for around £40- its a simple DIY change
I upgraded My 2017 Lyriks with 2019 air spring and charger 2 damper due mainly to not wanting Boost.
I did them both incrementally and they both had a positive effect
The air spring made the forks feel plusher and more supportive as well as getting rid of the slight top out clunk I was having.
The damper is a fair chunk lighter and has far less springiness in the bladder due to its initial concave shape. That means it works entirely as a damper and not at all as a spring...which is what you want. I also opted for the version with high and low speed damping adjustments.
Also the dials are nicer and have more usable settings.
Small benefits but significant improvement overall.
The damper is a fair chunk lighter and has far less springiness in the bladder due to its initial concave shape. That means it works entirely as a damper and not at all as a spring…which is what you want. I also opted for the version with high and low speed damping adjustments.
Interesting, I just picked up a 2018 Lyrik (with Charger 2 damper) and am adding the 2019 air spring.
How do you run the HS compression? That's the only adjustment I'll be lacking really.
Now anyone wanna buy a non-boost 29er Lyrik?
How do you run the HS compression?
Its either 1 or 2 clicks from open (5 in total). I think the None adjustable forks are pre-set to 3 clicks. So the advantage for me is actually to run less compression damping than normal (as I like a plush fork and not a heavy weight)
Yeah I also prefer less HS if I have the option, I'm not a smasher and being more comfy helps me go faster - but the pre-set level with a luftkappe is good enough for me TBH.
Good to hear feedback on it though.
okay - I've found 2018 Pikes on zee German site for 573 euros - any better deals around than that?
thanks