I'm sure I read somewhere that the really big volume manufacturers get ~90% rebate from Shitmano on parts hence it was cheaper to buy something complete rather than build up yourself from rrp minus any retail discounts. It's the same with motorbikes. A few years ago MCN 'built' (priced really) something (one of the popular 1L supersports IIRC) out of parts and it was something like ~£35k when complete bikes were in the £ teens.
Again motorbikes, if you think road vs mtb bicycles are poor value, compare a top notch road bicycle with a 1L supersports motorbike. There's probably only ~£5k difference!
The days of bikes being more expensive than the sum of the parts is “relatively” new.
Parts are generally available at lower prices now than in the past because grey imports became more common a while back and so many components make so little money at RRP/retail. That may be the cause more than the full bike RRPs, at least outside of the premium model part of the market.
Try thinking Campagnolo Record 10 would look best on your wishlist steel frameset and buying that stuff at a reasonable price : )
I’m sure I read somewhere that the really big volume manufacturers get ~90% rebate from Shitmano on parts
Big brands buy more and get better pricing as you'd expect, but nothing like that.
@jameso IIRC you're 'in the trade'?
It wasn't discount I'm thinking of it was volume related rebate and I'm CERTAIN the detail a closely guarded secret from those not getting 'it'. It's also from memory so could be off (results of noggin/Road interface).
Specialized Aethos. Discs aside I love the classic looks 🙂 no intergrated stem bollox
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It wasn’t discount I’m thinking of it was volume related rebate and I’m CERTAIN the detail a closely guarded secret from those not getting ‘it’. It’s also from memory so could be off (results of noggin/Road interface).
so how did you hear about it?
That's, why I added 'details' as in 'the details of' rather than the headline. And that Aethos looks nice. At least the stays are in the right place and it doest weigh 50% of Pluto...
Specialized Aethos. Discs aside I love the classic looks 🙂 no intergrated stem bollox
Yeah, I think one of those would be my Lottery Win bike.
Also, discs just look 'right' nowadays. The early ones with weird caliper placement and hose routing looked crap but they're so well integrated now that it looks smart and clean.
Tan wall tyres can get stuffed though. Plain simple black every time.
Aethos is one of the few modern road bikes I'd consider owning, most others are too try-hard road racing tech only really beneficial for the sharp end of pro racing. The Aethos would be even better if it didn't have discs... which is more or less identical to my decade old version, so no need to upgrade/downgrade... meanwhile, some big bike brands are laying off staff...
Nice uncluttered bike plus-one,shame about that anchor of a rear mech 😉 😃
As in everything,it's nice that we all love different things.
After decades of cycling (and lots of bikes), I like that I now know exactly what works for me.
I had a custom steel frame made for me a few years ago,this was the first time in my life I had gone anywhere near a bike fit.It turned out that all the micro tweeks I had done (by feel) over the years were very close to whatthe frame builder suggested,Fastshow voice>> "Nice"<<Fastshow voice .Even with the light wheels ,it's a heavy old thing,but I love it to bits and the weight vanishes when I am riding it.Ride what makes you smile 👍
My low back just spasmed looking at the handlebar drop on that Aethos! 😂
My low back just spasmed looking at the handlebar drop on that Aethos!
Aye it needs 4" of spacers for the full MAMIL look...
I ride tall BTW so piss taking is OK...
Whatever bulk discount a bike company gets just add up all the separate parts and you will most of the time only be a bit above the new total bike cost. I remember a few years ago that Bikeradar reviewed a high end build Santa Cruz (I think) model actually cost more than building it from parts when they did the adding up.
Not the same at all as building a car or motorbike as there are A LOT more components most of which would hardly ever get ordered to replace the part on a given car whereas a bike is just buying a groupset, wheels and a few bits like seat post stem etc,. which are all readily available and purchased regularly by consumers as separate items,
Totally agree on the prices (and Salad_Dodger; curious what you have against Mark Reilly frames ?)
One Ti; one Plastic from that there Yorkshire shop.
Both came in around £2k; I have no idea what they weigh.
I like 'em 😉 Roast away.
Aethos is a great looking bike. Round tubes and seatstays in the right place.
Boblo, I am but not working directly with Shimano pricing for a couple of years now. There isn't enough margin in OEM for anyone to get 90% rebates but there may be marketing-style deals done some years to get influential brands onto Shimano over SRAM and VV.
shame about that anchor of a rear mech
Oof, I see what you mean.
I was so blinded by those disgusting tyres, I didn't even see it.
Discs on road bikes looks fine to me now, don't mind bigger cassettes either. Those chonky wireless mechs are an eyesore though.
Aye it needs 4″ of spacers for the full MAMIL look…
I ride tall BTW so piss taking is OK…
I've rarely gone beyond 1cm handlebar drop, which with long legs means even the tallest headtubes still require a stack of spacers 😭 I envy the plus-ones of this world, doing a fast bike justice!
I like ’em 😉 Roast away.
Wallpaper could do with coming out of the 80's ;). An how did you managed to melt the plastic one?
An how did you managed to melt the plastic one
Designed by Salvador Dali before his Pinarello period... 🙃
Wallpaper could do with coming out of the 80’s ;).
It's an improvement on what was there before 😉
An how did you managed to melt the plastic one?
It's a sunny day; it just happened 😉
The AETHOS is lovely.
But is no different (even in looks! go figure) to the £3,500 Canondale Supersix Evo's of the past. Which were ~6.8kg.
Only thing is the +disc brakes. And +£10,000.
It's hilarious manufactures are touting sub-7kg as some amazing new innovation that 10 grand can buy you, when it was the standard measurement of a 'decent bike' a decade ago. Crazy!
Yes, Flannol this is so true. Exactly none of my old riding buddies have bought into the disc brake 'upgrade' for exactly that reason- they're riding around on pimped 'vintage' rim builds from yesteryear with no intention of changing in a hurry, even though they could purchase whatever they wanted. In fact, they're more likely to source a secondhand top-tier frame off eBay than walk into a shop and drop £10k+ for something no better.
Cannondale could do well to dust off the old frame-moulds of the Supersix Evo from the dark recess of whatever cupboard they left them in and use them to service the growing backlash against overpriced disc enforcement. This was truly one of the all time great frames, and could be offered at a reasonable cost now all the R&D is sunk.
They won't though. Because. Progress....
Both my roadbikes are carbon, q/r, mechanical and rim braked. I see no reason (beyond lust) for changing.
The lightest is 7kg ready to ride and I could easily lose 200g - 300g by getting some more recent wheels.
The other is ~7.5kg and is my do it all and travel bike. Y'know Alps etc.
Both ride lovely and owe me nowt. I'd probly need to spend ~£15k to replace both which would update their obsolescence but for little other benefit.
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Heard a story of a chap who spent mega money on an MTB a few years ago, then tried to return it after his mates smoked him on its maiden ride…
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Years back I had my Fisher CR-7 stolen, obviously a fairly distinctive bike, so trawled around all the lbs's on the off chance somebody had seen it- one of them said that it had been bought in to them to be looked at because 'it wasn't that fast on the road'. The bike shop thought that it was a bit unusual, but hadn't bothered investigating further....
