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[url= http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/a-statement-from-cyclingnews-contributor-philippa-york/ ]I assume, however, that like me your first thought was, "Who?"[/url]
Very pleased to see this news.
Great, isn't it?
Marvellous. Might have to switch to ITV4 from Eurosport.
Good on her! And very pleased to hear that ITV4 is singing her up.
Millar was a big deal when I started watching the Tour, though only recently read Richard Moore's book and then watched The High Life. Always enjoyed Millar's pieces in cyclingnews too.
As long as the commentary/insight is good that's all that matters.
Brave move though and I wish her the best of luck, having seen the social media backlash directed at Mark Cavendish (I hope your kids get cancer etc) she is going to need a thick skin, the real cycling fans are interested in cycling not gender/identity so hopefully most will welcome the news.
having seen the social media backlash directed at Mark Cavendish (I hope your kids get cancer etc)
WTF?!
(Edit.. No need to respond and derail an otherwise good news thread, I'll go google.)
Well there you go, fabulous news. No need to hide anymore.
Dofs casquette.
Well done ITV4.
Well, that's a bit of an extreme makeover to differentiate yourself from the other Millar commentator!
😉
Inspired me to start taking my cycling more seriously in my teens on the roads around Glasgow. Rumours have abounded for years - delighted that as a society we are far more accepting of people for simply being themselves.
There have been rumours about his for years but Millar denied them (when he commented at all).
Hopefully she's happier now and will not be hounded by the gutter press.
Good to see all the positive comments on the cyclingnews story too.
I've always found her writing on the site very insightful. Good addition.
Always used to enjoy the blogs in cycling news, so much insight (and yes a real favourite rider of mine when I was a kid) so very much looking forward to seeing Phillipa on the tour shows - will she do the live or the highlights show as well? hopefully both
Wtf, Robert Millar is now a woman? Have I woken up in the twilight zone?
Wtf, Robert Millar is now a woman?
Yes
Have I woken up in the twilight zone?
No
Weeksy, have a read of this...
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/jul/06/cycling.tourdefrance
Then go read the book. Then you'll be pretty much up to speed 🙂
Fantastic, great to see her back in the fold.
Best of luck.
This is good news on many levels
This is great news. She should provide some fantastic insights into the mountain stages in particular.
wonderful news 🙂
I haws very confused before I realised that David Millar is not Robert Millar.
Good for her.
Brilliant. Iirc she has been writing a column for a while but this is way more public profile and a great thing in so many ways
Her blog is the best and most insightful thing on the website. I can't wait to listen to some of the commentary with such a wealth of knowledge. it was her and Greg Lemond that got me in to cycling and so much so that I bought and ex team Z bike in the red blue and yellow colours so that I could pretend to be Robert Millar.
Fits the image of road biking perfectly.
oldtalent - Member
Fits the image of road biking perfectly.
Classy, it's not 1972 any more.
so that I could pretend to be Robert Millar.
You just need a trip to Laura Ashley now instead 🙂
oldtalent - Member
Fits the image of road biking perfectly.
What, open minded and accepting irrespective of race/gender/religion ?
Excellent! Look forward to her insight.
It [b]is[/b] great, but in a proper society shouldn't really be news...
'ITV4 employs knowledgeable commentator'
It is great, but in a proper society shouldn't really be news...'ITV4 employs knowledgeable commentator'
Really ? You don't see how this is news ? You don't see this as different from just employing say Greg Lemond ? Really ? You can't see this ?
Great stuff, her blog has always been an excellent and insightful read. The guys doing the itv coverage should be a great fit for her and hopefully she'll bed in with them and chip in on the podcast too
Fits the image of road biking perfectly.
It took more guts to do what she did than descending in the peloton at 50mph.
Which is what you mean't of course!
for minute there all the talk of Millar and ITV4 😯
oldtalent - MemberFits the image of road biking perfectly.
There was a transgender DH story long before this road one
Hat, ITV4 and Phillipa, hat.
To be honest no idea who she is or was riding wise but you can't do anything but praise the appointment
Well blow me down. I always assumed all that was just "fake news". Fair play to her and to ITV4. RM was probably my first cycling hero too, from the old C4 TDF shows, so looking forward to some insight.
oldtalent - MemberFits the image of road biking perfectly.
You're so right, cultured, non-judgmental, not stuck in the past, open and accepting. Couldn't have put it better myself.
You're so right, cultured, non-judgmental, not stuck in the past, open and accepting. Couldn't have put it better myself.
They don't even allow brake rotors, they're stuck in the 70's
Her occasional cyclingnews blogs have always been excellent, but there haven't been that many. Hopefully this will mean that there are more.
They don't even allow brake rotors, they're stuck in the 70's
You may want to have a look at yesterday's stage winners brakes before extracting your foot from your mouth.
They don't even allow brake rotors, they're stuck in the 70's
I think you'll find you're incorrect, keep up man.
TBH we knew about this in the 90s, and its a shame that she hasn't felt able to appear publicly.
Anyone remember the Kellogg's Start advert?
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They don't even allow brake rotors, they're stuck in the 70's
Marcel Kittel winning Stage 6 on a bike. with disk brakes.
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Front *and* rear, note.
Really ? Sheesh... i missed that too !
They don't even allow brake rotors, they're stuck in the 70's
Fake news alert! 😆
I wondered what had happened to Robert Millar,such a high profile rider all those years ago.Good luck with the ITV4 job.
Fantastic news. We've had top sprinters, track riders and and time-trialists as commentators, and now finally a true King of the Mountains, the Highland Eagle.
So pleased this great person [hopefully] feels OK being back on TV etc...and great to see all the kind words here 🙂
Marcel Kittel winning Stage 6 on a bike. with disk brakes.
Notice how the extra weight is pulling his bike off centre. Shortly after this he rode into a bunch of sponsors and decapitated eight.
Highland Eagle
Glesga Sparrow is nearer the mark.
Nice note from David Millar
as usual, making it about himself.... 🙂
So it's farewell to wee Boaby in a couple of ways...
Sorry, couldn't resist that.
Lol @ spin
Some of our non Scottish friends may not get that
Good news.
🙂
Bit of a hero, like everyone of a certain age it seems.
I still miss David Duffield.
You just don't get the same calibre of utter nonsense these days.
Funnily enough I text my wife last night to tell her, in case she forgot who I was referring to, and as I work in the Gorbals, I started the text with 'Gorbals born' auto correct changed Gorbals to 'got balls' 🙂
Good to hear.
No it wouldn't be a big deal in a perfect society - but I think in the last couple of years we've proved pretty conclusively that we are nowhere near being that.
I still miss David Duffield.
You just don't get the same calibre of utter nonsense these days.
You're not familiar with the work of Carlton Kirby?
No, more of an ITV4 man these days.
How bad is he?
🙂
I loved Duffers.
My extensive knowledge of provincial French architecture is entirely down to him.
Cycling, not so much.
When is she actually going to join the commentary team? not for todays boring flat stage is it?
No, more of an ITV4 man these days.
How bad is he?
He's competent as a commentator, but a bit florid for a lot of people's taste. And then he just goes full Partridge every so often.
He has his share of haters, but I think most see him more like an eccentric but harmless uncle.
Another reinforcement of the notion that being a woman is how you feel/what you like/how you think than it being plain biology...
Another reinforcement of the notion that being a woman is how you feel/what you like/how you think than it being plain biology...
Your sex is biologically determined, your gender is not. Being male or female is the biological bit. Being a man or a woman is, to use your vocabulary a matter of how you think / feel.
Great news this, it reminds me of Gareth Thomas coming out, it was kind of an open secret but at the right time for them they have gone public. He was a hero then and she is now.
Being a man or a woman is, to use your vocabulary a matter of how you think / feel.
Define man or woman without reference to biology then?
Take it somewhere else please.
Define man or woman without reference to biology then
A man is someone who wishes to be identified as a man. A woman is someone who wishes to be identified as a woman.
Take it somewhere else please.
Nope, this is the right place to challenge and question.
I am pleased that Philippa now feels she lives in a society where she does not have to hide who she is! That she will be presenting and giving good insights is a bonus.
As for any comment about male/female and Biology, that can only be from people that really don't understand Biology!
Better give back my Biology degree then...
Better give back my Biology degree then...
It does sound like you weren't paying attention to the difference between sex and gender.
I don't mind Kirby so much, it's Brian Smith's commentary I'm not so keen on. He can't be as uninformed as he appears to be so can only assume he thinks he needs to dumb things down. Either way it's annoying. Eurosport still worth it for the amusement of listening to Sean Kelly.
Shall be checking out ITV4 though. Just annoying I can't live stream it via chromecast from the ITV app.
It does sound like you weren't paying attention to the difference between sex and gender.
Gender is a social construct, nothing to do with Biology.
Fair play, he was a great cyclist... They never quite get the hang of hair and make-up though, do they...
weeksy - Member
It is great, but in a proper society shouldn't really be news...
'ITV4 employs knowledgeable commentator'
Really ? You don't see how this is news ? You don't see this as different from just employing say Greg Lemond ? Really ? You can't see this ?
Course I can. Hence "in a proper society".
Obviously in our society it is noteworthy, just think ideally it wouldn't need to be...
[i]"They never quite get the hang of hair and make-up though, do they... "[/i]
Sadly, that applies to quite a few of us cis-women too 🙁
Gender is a social construct, nothing to do with Biology.
That seems to contradict your previous points:
Another reinforcement of the notion that being a woman is how you feel/what you like/how you think than it being plain biology...
Define man or woman without reference to biology then?
A man is someone who [s]wishes to be identified[/s]identifies themselves as a man. A woman is someone who [s]wishes to be identified[/s] identifies themselves as a woman
Let's give the power to the individual, rather than relying on other people's acceptance and validation..
Anyway, I'm very happy about this development.
Champion road cyclist now has a new career as a sports comentator well done that Man and now a Lady
mrblobby
I don't mind Kirby so much, it's Brian Smith's commentary I'm not so keen on. He can't be as uninformed as he appears to be so can only assume he thinks he needs to dumb things down. Either way it's annoying. Eurosport still worth it for the amusement of listening to Sean Kelly.Shall be checking out ITV4 though. Just annoying I can't live stream it via chromecast from the ITV app.
Eurosport for live, ITV4 for highlights is the winning combination! Sean Kelly, Boardman, but no Jonathan Edwards!
Is Edwards doing it live on ITV4 then?
Loving the ITV4 coverage myself, but I'm a highlights-only man anyway.
Giro wasn't the same without Gary Imlach.
Really ? You don't see how this is news ? You don't see this as different from just employing say Greg Lemond ? Really ? You can't see this ?
If acceptance is to be sought then it has to become less newsworthy, but then I suppose it is pretty hard to introduce someone as former TDF cyclist Philippa York without some form of explanation to clear up the confusion.
It's bloody excellent news that a great athlete is being given the opportunity they have, regardless of who they are or once were
They never quite get the hang of hair and make-up though, do they...
You are right in Sagan's case, although he has two extra weeks to practice now.
Good for Philippa.