[Closed] Patrol or Reign?

Did you thread the hose starting from the seat tube or head tube end jamj?

I think you have to do it from the HT end, the chances of hitting the hole on the seat tube end is almost impossible.

I had forgotten the rage of the dropper post routing, it's fine until it hits the underside of the linkage & you can see it, or get to it. I later found it it's apparently possible to remove that whole section to make it easier, no idea if that was the case or not - eventually I managed to get it sorted.

So this internal routing is a good thing, why? 😉

apparently possible to remove that whole section to make it easier, no idea if that was the case or not

Do you mean the little U bend at the bottom? It looks like it's moulded. Will whack the bore scope up there tonight out of interest (the frame that is).

So this internal routing is a good thing, why?

Take your smugness elsewhere!

I did my brake, dropper and gear cable from the back forward.

So this internal routing is a good thing, why?

It looks nice?

Otherwise it's a complete PITA!

The carbon one is annoying - designed for brakes the US way around.

I think it's only the UK that has our brakes around the wrong way isn't it?

Nope.

We ride on the correct side of the road/trail.

It's the rest of the world (bar a few exceptions) that are wrong.

I think it's only the UK that has our brakes around the wrong way isn't it?

Every motorbike on the planet has the front brake on the right, and most cyclists who also ride motorbikes have their bike brakes set up 'moto' style - which is the UK way around.

The backwards approach for bicycles used by countries that drive on the right is due to the (flawed) logic that your dominant braking hand should be the one that isn't used for indicating when turning across oncoming traffic - flawed because the front brake is a damn sight more effective at stopping than the rear brake.

I'd be interested to see the brake set up on all the WC DH pros' bikes - I bet most of them are UK style. Wouldn't fancy switching between MotoX our way around and Euro/US bicycle brakes!

Gwin:

Brosan:

Both ride motocross. All the brits are running as normal, Loic is also left side front brake, minaar is right side.

Blue have you built it up yet? Interested to hear how it is to ride in comparison to the Spitty as I'm trying to decide whether or not to change my Spitty at the moment and the Patrol was something I'm thinking about.

Not yet I'm still waiting for a few bits but should be ready by next weekend.

Had a lot of fun on my spitty so it has a lot to live up to.

I started at the head end.

Windwave have released a video today on Facebook showing how it can be done more easily. Silicon spray into the tune and remove the main rocker pivot to be able to push the cable to help it to locate.. seemed a lot quicker.

Some interesting reading in this thread. Just built up a 2017 Patrol and I'm really pleased with how it's turned out. First ride this weekend 🙂

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^^Very nice!

Thanks matey

The colour coordination of your fork and wheel decals looks ace!

Thanks, have to thank Slik for that 🙂

I was going to do the same but I've opted for the stealth approach! Nice looking bike.

Mine will be ready sometime in the new year at this rate.

Any link to the video jamj? I was speaking to the very helpful Dan at Windwave last week and he described a similar method to me.

Thanks it's turned out much better than I expected if I'm honest. Slik were brilliant when it came to colour matching the frame, it's a perfect match.

I did my spitfire in a similar vain, the colour match was spot on.

Let's see if this works...

Hurry up and finish it Blue, I'm dying to hear how you find it versus the Spitty.

That's well nice Typer. Can't even criticise the lawn!

Great stuff jamj cheers.

Will get a move on ultimateweevil, desperate to find out myself!

Needs a leaf blower or a rake to tidy up those autumnal leaves is about it really 😆

lol, cheers lads. Yeah leaves need clearing up and the decking could do with staining but I'm happy with it 🙂

Anyone know the torque setting for the seat clamp bolt for the carbon Patrol? Nothing on Transitions website.

This things actually in danger of being ridden this weekend!

Slightly off topic but are any of you Patrol owners 5'6"ish? What size frame are you riding? I am thinking of getting a 2016 medium frame that's on sale but as ever I am on the cusp of sizes & there's nowhere near to throw a leg over one to try out.

seat clamp torque wont be specified by transition.... though if you are running a reverb, its MAX 7nm, or it wont return

Carbon assembly paste if you can't get the frame to grip the post at the max torque

Cheers lads!

7nm and carbon paste it is. Will have to feed the cable back in and slide the reverb out to get some paste in there just in case.

I think the term is b*stard tight.

Mainly because the seat clamp is crap.

Slightly off topic but are any of you Patrol owners 5'6"ish? What size frame are you riding? I am thinking of getting a 2016 medium frame that's on sale but as ever I am on the cusp of sizes & there's nowhere near to throw a leg over one to try out.

If it's any use I'm 5'8 with a 30" inside leg. I'm on a medium frame with a 380mm 125mm drop reverb...... the reverb is inserted as far as it will go and it feels bang on size wise. I think I may have struggled on a medium if my inside leg measurement was any shorter.

Typer, that's exactly what I needed to know thanks. Looks like I'll have to pass on that frame then 🙁

Sorted now. 6.7nm was too tight as the Reverb was sticking, back down to 6nm and its fine. Plenty of paste in there so fingers crossed.

I notice they've changed the seat post clamp to face forward on the new frames and the slot on the frame no longer lines up with the slot on the clamp, did Transition have trouble with them previously?

Simwit, could you not run a 100mm Reverb? I've always ridden mediums but I've gone for a large Patrol.

Simwit - Member
Slightly off topic but are any of you Patrol owners 5'6"ish? What size frame are you riding? I am thinking of getting a 2016 medium frame that's on sale but as ever I am on the cusp of sizes & there's nowhere near to throw a leg over one to try out.

I run a 125mm reverb on my small suppressor but its just at my hight. If my legs were shorter I'd have to use a 120.

Medium is not an issue because the seat tune is longer so you can slide the post in further. I'm the same as you and went with a small.

I also run 165 cranks which puts the seatpost up a bit compared to
175. I couldn't run 175 cranks on my bike

Sorry for thread hack but I've seen some mention here a Capra but nothing clear . I have one (CF Pro) on order but since they cannot deliver it due to the Fox shock recall got me thinking if I should choose something else . So what would you people choose between the following (their the same price) :

Frame : Transition Patrol 2017
Shock : Rock Shox Super Deluxe RC3
Headset : brand X
Fork : Rock Shox Lyric RCT3 Solo Air
Stem :ANVL Swage 35mm
Handlebar : ANVL Mandrel
Grips : ANVL Lock On
Seatpost : Rock Shox Reverb Stealth
Saddle : ANVL Forge CroMo
BB: Truvativ
Cranks : SRAM S1400 GX1
Chain : SRAM PC1130
Cassette : SRAM XG 1150 11-42T
Rear derailleur : SRAM GX 1x11
Trigger : SRAM GX 1x11
Wheels : Easton ARC27 / DT350
Tires : Maxxis Minion DHF / DHR 2

Mind to tell that I'm 6 foot / 183 and Large Patrol would suit me better.

Regardless of what the bikes are, would it not make sense to buy the one that fits properly, rather than the other one?

It could be the best deal in the world, but it if it doesn't fit, it's pointless.

Simwit, could you not run a 100mm Reverb

I could but if I had to do that it suggests that the frame would be too big surely?

It could be the best deal in the world, but it if it doesn't fit, it's pointless.

Agreed

Regardless of what the bikes are, would it not make sense to buy the one that fits properly, rather than the other one?

It could be the best deal in the world, but it if it doesn't fit, it's pointless.

Maybe I haven't put it right, I haven't tested a Patrol (their pretty rare in my area) only a Large Reign which I've read their pretty similar and a the Large Capra. They both fit fine, only that the Transition has the newer Geo with long & low approach . In a few words if sizing would be a score in my decision Trans would get a 9/10 and Capra a 8/9 .

But besides sizing, what is your take ?

frame would be too big surely?

No, it's to do with how far you can shove the post down the tube.

Transition sell the small patrols with 100mm posts

I notice they've changed the seat post clamp to face forward on the new frames and the slot on the frame no longer lines up with the slot on the clamp, did Transition have trouble with them previously?

Asked Transition about this and they said they had a few leave the factory facing forwards when they should all face backwards. They have offered to swap the front triangle under warranty if I'd like to.

So it's borked before I've ridden it 😆

My 2017 Carbon has the slot in the seat tube at the front of the seat tube, not the rear. Not overly bothered, doesn't really make any difference IMHO.

I'd rather have it at the front tbh, saves all the shit getting into it.

Plus I can tell everyone it's a limited edition 🙂

But besides sizing, what is your take ?

Me, i'd rather have a Patrol. There are a lot of bikes I would take over a Capra though.

With the added benefit of not becoming some sort of odd, inverted snob from owning one 🙂

To be honest I really like the idea of something else than what everyone has but at least if it would have been a carbon patrol, but the seller was asking €850 more for a 2016 which is slightly to much for me right now.

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At last, it's finished 🙂

I wanted to be honest and slate the bad bits but there aren't any, really chuffed with how it rides. Glad I went for the large over the medium as it just felt right from the start. I was worried it was going to be noisy after reading of complaints, especially as a lot of my riding is over natural/rocky stuff but if anything it was quieter than my Spitfire.

I didn't go mad as it's my first ride in over a year but from the runs I went down it does feel a bit special compared to my Spitfire, I just felt like it wanted to be let loose but with the brakes still bedding in I held back a bit. Really need to get some confidence back. I'm not sure if going up a wheel size can make that much difference or more than likely it's a combination of everything but it does feel properly quick.

Definitely lost my climbing legs but impressed with the way it goes up, I always felt too far back on my last bike and was forever shuffling forward but with the Patrol I just cranked my way up. Not sure if it's just a case of the Patrol suiting me better or not but I've set it up exactly as my Spitfire was. My Spitty was 26" and going to 27.5" I thought climbing would be affected but it didn't seem to be.

The Lyrik didn't feel any different than my old Pikes but as I mentioned it's been a while since my last ride so maybe back to back rides between the two I'd notice a difference. The Super Deluxe compared to my old CTD is like chalk and cheese, still need to play with the rebound but it just seemed to offer more grip climbing and float over everything on the way down. I expected to be switching between compression modes but if I'm honest I completely forgot about it and left it open. I did feel some pedal bob when up off the saddle climbing the steep stuff but it wasn't anything more than I've had in the past and I'm sure flicking the lever on the shock to firm would help but unless I'm on a huge climb I will leave it as it is.

One thing that is bugging me is that the rear brake hose doesn't seem to want to bend under the bb shell as the bike compresses. Instead it pushes the hose up through the two rear hose guides towards the caliper where it bows out nearly touching the spokes. Will have a look this week to see if I can get the hose to stay put.

Just want some Sixc cranks for it and it's done although I'm not sure if get away with them at the moment.

One thing that is bugging me is that the rear brake hose doesn't seem to want to bend under the bb shell as the bike compresses. Instead it pushes the hose up through the two rear hose guides towards the caliper where it bows out nearly touching the spokes. Will have a look this week to see if I can get the hose to stay put.

Wrap some electric tape around the cable as it exits the frame and before the cable guide. Have to do this on my Reign and Trance as have the same problem.

That looks lovely Bluearsedfly! After many posts relating to it - it's also most excellent to hear that your first ride went really well!

As a result of the previous page comment I have just checked my seat tube slot is at the front too!

Whatever crank you get go 165mm.

That looks very nice! I agree about the seat angle on the Spitfire, it's the one thing I'd definitely change about mine - the 2016 and later versions are steeper. 27.5 definitely climbs a bit better than 26, just like 29 does.

165mm cranks FTW. Certainly no longer than 170mm.

If your Reverb slips, turn the clamp around so the bolt is opposite the slot - that tends to give a more circular and even clamping force.

bro in law has no issues with 175mm cranks on the patrol

Thanks lads. Feeling a bit saddle sore this morning, feel like I've had a good kick up the arse.

Wrap some electric tape around the cable as it exits the frame and before the cable guide. Have to do this on my Reign and Trance as have the same problem.

Will try that thanks. Was going to try some heat shrink but the insulation tape will save me taking the hose off. I had it on my old Trance too but it seemed to settle down after a few rides.

That looks lovely Bluearsedfly! After many posts relating to it - it's also most excellent to hear that your first ride went really well!
As a result of the previous page comment I have just checked my seat tube slot is at the front too!

Cheers jamj and thanks again for helping to point me in the right direction. So yours is a limited edition too?

That looks very nice! I agree about the seat angle on the Spitfire, it's the one thing I'd definitely change about mine - the 2016 and later versions are steeper. 27.5 definitely climbs a bit better than 26, just like 29 does.

My Spitfire was a '14, not sure of the angles compared to my Patrol but there is a noticeable difference. So is it official a bigger wheel climbs better? Not sure why but I had it in my head a smaller wheel would be better?

bro in law has no issues with 175mm cranks on the patrol

This was something else that surprised me, I had little in the way of pedal strikes compared to my Spitfire. I'm running 175mm cranks on a large frame (the same length as the large factory builds come with). I am running only 25% ish sag but intend to increase it and see how it rides.

Keep meaning to weigh it as I'm interested to see what it tips the scales at (not that it matters), apparently some come in around 27lb? Might have to dig my 'special' scales out.

[tart] Not sure on the stealth graphics, tempted to get some colour on the rims and fork? [/tart]

Keep meaning to weigh it as I'm interested to see what it tips the scales at (not that it matters), apparently some come in around 27lb? Might have to dig my 'special' scales out.

IIRC mine is 30lbs with Enve's, 36, eagle, guide ultimates, crank bros mallet dh pedals and a dirty great big dfender mudguard.

Hardly a heavy build then is it? Suppose some of it is down to tyres etc?

Think mine is hovering around 29lbs dead with 36's/X2, Guide ultimates, XX1/XTR, carbon seat & Arch's on 28h DT hubs, ti axle pedals etc.

Obviously with the STW 'adjustment' it's sub 27lbs 🙂

Ha!

Looks like I will be lucky to hit 30lb then with my build, mainly XT, Hope E4s, Hope Enduros, 150mm Reverb, Sixc bars, Lyriks etc.

How the hell do they get to the 27lb in sure I saw on Transitions website?

Just looking, it was Pinkbikes review that said a medium without pedals was 27.5lb.

Just checked and mine is showing 31.5lbs.

Just weighed* mine and it is 28.4lb**

That's with: -
Bos Deville FCV fork and Kirk shock
Specialized Roval Fattie (Alloy) wheels
Magic Mary 2.35 Trailstar Snakeskin
Hans Dampf 2.25 Trailstar Snakeskin
XX1 cassette, chain, shifter & mech
RaceFace SixC Cinch cranks & BB w/Blackspire 30t ring
Specialized Boomslang pedals
Formula R0 brakes 203F & 180R
Renthal Fatbar Carbon bar
Renthal Apex stem
Renthal Supertacky lock on grips
Specialized Command Post IRCC
Fizik Gobi Ti saddle
Hope Headset
Trek Remedy downtube protector

*Weighed just now with unmagic, unspecial Salter digital bathroom scales. **Method: Weigh fat git me. Weigh fat git me and bike. Subtract my fat git weight.

Out of interest is the seat clamp on the carbon Patrol integrated? All the pictures I've seen of them no one seems to use a different clamp.

Nope, independent but on my painted frame the frame is raw underneath the clamp.

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Found a better pic.

Just weighed mine with my Reuben Heaton scales and its 31.6lb with Saint pedals which are apparently 1.1lb so around 30.5lbs with stuff like the chain guide and other bits that's not too bad. Like I said, not too bothered about weight more out of interest.

That's a decent weight jamj. Apart from carbon cranks there's not much else I'd want to change. Maybe carbon rims but I've dinged too many ali ones to make me think twice.

That's a decent weight jamj.

It is pretty decent - but not deliberate. Obviously, there is nothing super-heavy on the bike but everything chosen more for function. I've also tallied up the stated weights for each part and it's a little heavier than that - so I feel reasonably confident it's accurate enough.

Now I need to lose a few stone myself!

I know that feeling, I was up at 5.30 Sunday morning wondering why I can't button my shorts up anymore and why my once baggy tshirt now looks like it has been sprayed on me.

my Small suppressor is 31.5lb and thats not a light build

Small Suppressor with CC DB IL coil (nukeproof) SLS spring, bottle cage
Trek Remedy downtube protector
160mm pike with mudhugger
Saint brakes with 203mm ice tech rotors
XT crank (165mm) 32t oval, shifter, cassette, mech (11sp XT)
spank oozy trail bite wheels F baron 2.4 R HR2 3C 2.4
reverb 125mm WTB volt saddle
spank spike vibrocore 800mm bar, Ergon GE slims, RSP trail stem (35mm length)
Time MX6 ATAC pedals

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Still can't get the rear hose to behave. I've stopped it moving thanks to the wrapping a bit of insulation tape round it trick, but it's almost like there's too much hose between the caliper and the first hose guide when there's no weight in the bike but when it's fully compressed it's just about long enough.

@bluearsedfly - what's that downtube protector you're running near the BB?

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/transition-patrolsuppressor-downtube-protector

Thanks @poah

Poah how do you find the wheels? I have the same ones (Oozy 295) really happy with them so far. Quite stiff too. Got Ardent Race on the back and Ardent up front but thinking of putting that on the back and something meatier on the front.

I zip tie my rear brake and rear derailleur cable together under the BB. That seems to stop bowing.

That looks brilliant Bluearsedfly and I'm pleased you're happy with it. You're right in what you say about it being special. I've only rode mine a few times as of yet and I'm very very impressed with it. I've also got 175mm cranks and I can't say I have been bothered by pedal strikes, having said that I had one of the dodgy El Guapo frames before hand that had the extra low bottom brackets which has probably helped. Also heard stories about how the alloy version was noisey because of the internal cable routing but it's honestly as quiet as a mouse 🙂

aphex_2k - Member

Poah how do you find the wheels?

had them for a year but I don't do that many miles with the bike sadly. Been down fort william, inners, and battered through local rock gardens without any issue. I don't run low pressures approx 28 F&R. Rim width suits my tyres and they are a decent weight. It was these or DT 1501ex wheels and they were just too expensive.

jamj1974 - Member

I zip tie my rear brake and rear derailleur cable together under the BB. That seems to stop bowing.

same as me