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Looks like someone doesn't know the specifics of what makes a motorway a motorway. Hint: it's more than just slapping an M prefix or suffix on the road number.
Why should I need to?
Because I asked you a straight question. Instead of accusing everyone of whatever shite spills out from between your ears why not just answer it?
Okay I'll revise my position to that of someone taking part in a survey. The survey asked sirromj if he thought cyclists should be allowed to ride along dual carriage ways with a 70mph speed limit. Sirromj answered no. For 50 and 60 mph speed limited dual carriage ways, sirromj answered "I'm unsure". If cyclists should be allowed to ride their bicycles on 40mph speed limited dual carriage ways, sirromj answered yes.
I'm not actively seeking change. Expressing uncertainty was meant as an indication of openness to hearing other's views.
Would you agree that raising the passmark for the hazard perception test might improve future safety on the roads? I would hope that it would if the HP test is of any value at all. I would be okay with it causing difficulty for some people to pass the theory test. It would be a good driver for improved public transport and active travel infrastructure.
Also feel arguing about cyclists be allowed on dual carriage ways is short term view than long term. Long term would like to see reduced opportunity for individuals racing each other with no regard for energy expenditure or environmental impact just to shave seconds off their journey times.
I tell you what the carists can have the 70mph dual tracks if the rural b roads are all made 40mph if two lanes and 30mph if single-track. Deal?
Cyclists should be able to ride safely on any road. It's up to car drivers to drive sensibly. I tend to avoid dual carriage ways but its not always possible.
Take back the road.
What the hell is a carist, honestly, most of us own cars, drive around now and again and also ride bikes, as much as i'd love carless journeys, i understand that the road network was created for motorised vehicles, and cyclists enjoy using them as well, even getting purpose built cycle lanes, or paths added over the years since cycling became a more popular way of life.
You can cycle on any road you want, unless it's a motorway, and having had the misfortune to have 3 blowouts on the motorway in the last 5 years and changing tyres on the side of it, i couldn't even think of why anyone would want to be that close to a motorway! Weirdly, dual carriageways are a bit similar for me at national speed limit, but i never really think twice about riding on some A or B roads, it's all about the individual, around me there's one road i would never go on, and it's a 40mph, but mental traffic and pretty narrow, with a lot of nutters using it, when i see someone cycling along it i always feel nervous for them, would i ban cyclists (i avoid it by going via bridlepaths and backroads that go the full length of it), no, it's a 40mph, the road is fine, it's just the level of traffic and amount of numpties that make it a worry.
understand that the road network was created for motorised vehicles,
Really ? The links between towns were established for motorised vehicles.
The Romans and other olde timely worldes must have had access to some good crystal balls.
They may have developed into that but that was not the idea at their conception.
Motorways on the other hand -those were developed for the motor vehicle I'll give you that .
Really ? The links between towns were established for motorised vehicles.
In modern times, yes, i wasn't talking about hundreds of years ago where people would walk cattle or ride horses down their road network, we've been talking about Dual Carriageways, Single Carriageways, etc on this thread, not Roman Roads, so those roads that have been created for motorised vehicles, i.e. metalled roads.
What the hell is a carist
It's like a cyclist but in a car.
understand that the road network was created for motorised vehicles,
Er, does the rest of you post continue with such rubbish?
so those roads that have been created for motorised vehicles, i.e. metalled roads.
Nope - metaled roads were started for bicycle use. Bicycles appeared before private cars. Horses preferred non metalled roads - but tarmac was introduced for bicycles
Nope – metaled roads were started for bicycle use. Bicycles appeared before private cars. Horses preferred non metalled roads – but tarmac was introduced for bicycles
You forgot to quote the bit where i talked about dual/single carriageways when discussing the road network, but again, it appears like every thread on here, we're arguing for the sake of arguing.
I tell you what the carists can have the 70mph dual tracks if the rural b roads are all made 40mph if two lanes and 30mph if single-track. Deal?
Honestly, that's about the safe speed for a lot of roads, they downgraded to A78 between Largs and Skelmorlie recently to a 40mph limit to try and deal with the amount of clowns coming off of it. I'd be happy with that unless the road was made to a certain standard involving decent sight lines and somewhere for cyclists (and therefore become an A road).
Which leads to:
Cyclists should be able to ride safely on any road. It’s up to car drivers to drive sensibly.
'Should' doing a lot of heavy lifting there. I agree totally with the sentiment but the reality is somewhat different.
So since I answered a question does anyone fancy giving a stab at mine?
i wasn’t talking about hundreds of years ago
Ah so the need to get between these towns is modern thing.
Before cars people didn't travel as much and there were more local fa ilities.
@squirelking.
You are confused. Just because cars are driving like dicks does not mean that's the way it should always be.
Time to change the balance and make walking and cycling safe activities.
Imagine if, when planning new big roads, it was mandatory to include a seperate cycle lane alongside it (such as on some ring roads).
Seems like if you're building something big, it's a small inclusion that future-proofs a more active population, and the viability of e-bikes as transport.
You are confused. Just because cars are driving like dicks does not mean that’s the way it should always be.
Nope, I think it's you who is confused as that's exactly what I said.
Now how do you propose we change this?
Imagine if, when planning new big roads, it was mandatory to include a seperate cycle lane alongside it (such as on some ring roads).
Madness, it'll never catch on, people have a RIGHT to ride on that road I'll have you know.
Ah so the need to get between these towns is modern thing.
It is for pretty much everyone using them today in our current society, unless people still take their turnips to market 😁
It is for pretty much everyone using them today in our current society, unless people still take their turnips to market 😁
Yes but your arguement was that they made the transport links for the cars. That's shite and you know it.
Imagine if, when planning new big roads, it was mandatory to include a seperate cycle lane alongside it (such as on some ring roads)
This would be good. Last big development round here the sustainable transport tick box (despite severing a sustainable transport artery for the car route ) was to simply say - we have removed X amount of cars from the alternate roads making them safe* for cyclists.
*Reality was they made a race track for the limited cars that used them.
My favourite road name for a cyclist trying to improve infrastructure, Labour in Vain Drove (Lincs)
And for some drivers, the A491 dual carriageway, Bell End (Worcs)
Yes but your arguement was that they made the transport links for the cars. That’s shite and you know it.
As i stated earlier, this was in the context of the roads we're discussing in this thread, you show me a modern dual carriageway or A road that wasn't designed with motor vehicles in mind, i.e the material, drainage, width, layout, bridge strengths, etc, etc.
Honestly, you're arguing that the road network we have that are 60 or 70mph limits weren't designed for motor vehicles, or that we haven't moved forward since horse and cart! I used to cycle and use the likes of General Wade's roads, but i wouldn't want to drive down them at 60!