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I'm just after a bit of feedback on the sizing of Orbea's Rise if anyone can help please. I have seen there are a few of you here running them and I wondered how you find the fit?
At 176cm with an 81cm inside leg Orbea put me on a large which has the same reach as my analogue full sus which feels ok but I wouldn't want bigger. However the seat tube is 10mm longer on the Rise, (BB drop is the same) and the stand over and stack is also 10mm higher.
I'm in a bit of predicament because my 150mm dropper is slammed on my current bike for my preferred saddle height so the longer seat tube on the Rise is a worry. I could size down to a medium but then the ETT or the Large Rise is already less than my current bike and I'm looking a the rise for local xc trail riding so I'm thinking that there will be a fair amount of seated peddling involved especially with the motor.
I have always considered myself to have short arms for my height and I would probably put a 35mm stem on a large regardless but I just wondered what heights you are on here with which size Rise's?
In the wired test on here Mark was on medium with the 450 reach and he said the bike still felt balanced but didn't list his height.
Which seatpost do you currently have? You might be able to fit a OneUp post to the Large Rise, and still get 150mm drop.
Oh, also, you can find many Rise models in stock in Large... Medium seem rare at the moment.
Mine is a Medium, I'm 173cm and fitted a 170mm Ascend XL dropper to mine.
Have been looking at whether I can get a 200mm to fit as the numbers look doable.
Last I asked, my local dealer Cycleshack in Lewes had a Large Rise available for demo/carpark sizing
Not got my Rise H yet to check but wondering if the seatpost is a generic Brand-X, OneUp, insert-oem-here type that may have the ability to have the extension 'trimmed' with little spacers (say 140mm) so you can still run it slammed?
Thanks for replying guys, the dropper post that comes with the Rise M10 which I'm looking at is 150mm Orbea own brand. It is available to me in medium or large so availability isn't the issue, I suppose I'm just concerned although the stand over and seat tube of the medium looks better is the ETT going to be cramped. The Medium ships with a 40mm stem but I wanted to avoid going to say a 50 or 60mm with the stem.
My current bike has a ETT of 630mm which when run with a 35mm stem feels nice. The seat tube angle is slacker than the Rise so although the reach on the large is almost identical its ETT drops to 619mm which then drops further to 592mm on the medium.
Just looking at those number again I think I may have answered my own question!
For seated peddling ETT plus stem of current bike is 665mm
Large Rise with 35mm Stem becomes 654mm
Medium Rise with the stock 40mm stem would be 659mm. For the extra stand over a 5 mm loss on the ETT + stem wont be noticed and I've always felt the reach on my bike is at the top end of where I want it to be.
So I'm thinking at 5 foot 9 and a bit with just under a 32" inside leg and tyrannosaurus arms I'm better on a medium with a 40mm stem and 170mm dropper
@ spanner Monkey Colchester Essex
Looks like I'm the same size (legs and height) as you. I came from a L Occam to the Rise. Car park tested L and M back and forth for ages, shop guys advised the M, I wasn't sure but eventually did go with the M..
2 months down the line, I've swapped the 35mm stem for a 40mm but otherwise not changed anything. I'm very happy with it and it feels good... but if I was just riding non technical xc then maybe the L would have been better but maybe not.
TL:DR It's a pain being between sizes 🙂
Crewlie that's great information thanks, throw in short arms and between sizes and It becomes even more of a pain!
Sizing is so subjective and reach lengths keep growing but I feel like my proportions stop me going too modern on the reach measurements or the front becomes to difficult to lift. I think stock stem on the medium and upgrade the dropper to a 170 when it breaks is the way forward.
Thank you guys
I am 182cm and riding a large. I have a 170 dropper with about 20mm below the collar Fit of the bike feels spot on.
EDIT. can you not order it with a 170 mm dropper as a no cost upgrade?
My Orbea Wild fs was a smidge tall in the seat with the standard dropper.
A One-Up dropper sorted it.
Shorter stack than the Orbea specced ones.
5ft10 here and feeling smug for the first time in literally ages, I'm not inbetween sizes on a bike! Usually it's me that's umming and ahhing between medium and large, but Orbea's sizing put me firmly on the Large and it's those 2 inches shorter than me that have the issue that I have with almost every other brand! 😁
FWIW on the Facebook group, there's some rather interesting decisions been made around sizing... People who should know better saying that a Large was "way too big" for them at 6ft tall, and the medium is "a perfect fit"... 🤷🏻♂️
Large Rise with 35mm Stem becomes 654mm
Medium Rise with the stock 40mm stem would be 659mm.
So you're saying the Large and Medium Rises have the same ETT length...? You may want to revisit your maths before making an expensive mistake I would suggest!
All Rises come with a 50mm long stem except for smalls, which come with a 40mm.
A Large Rise has an ETT length of 619
A Medium Rise has an ETT length of 592
Even with a 70mm stem on a medium, you'd still be closer to the bars than on your current bike when seated! Just saying...
Of course, seated position is only one aspect of the geometry, and arguably not as important as the actual reach figures.
2 months down the line, I’ve swapped the 35mm stem for a 40mm
Don't confuse the bar clamp diameter with the length of the stem. All Rises come with a 50mm stem (but 35mm clamp dia) except for the small, which comes with a 40mm length.
he dropper post that comes with the Rise M10 which I’m looking at is 150mm Orbea own brand
The Orbea own brand post is essentially another Brand-X/Tranz-X clone... I've just ordered a 175mm Fox Transfer to replace mine as I have the space for an extra inch of drop on my Large bike. 👍🏻
Mboy, thank you! I'm just off to change the batteries in my calculator.....
All Rises come with a 50mm long stem except for smalls, which come with a 40mm.
Depends on the model.
The ones with cheaper bars and stems come with 45mm on small/medium, 55mm on large/XL, IIRC.
All Rises come with a 50mm long stem except for smalls, which come with a 40mm.
Mrs BS’s Rise M10 in medium came with a 40mm. My XL has a 50mm, but that’s irrelevant to this. Mrs BS is 5’6 and has the std dropper nearly all the way to the collar. You’ll be swapping the dropper at some point as they really aren’t the George, mine lasted about 200miles.
Can you swap it without a motor drop?
I'm 176cm and have a large Rise, came from a large 2019 YT Jeffsy. Fit feels good, just about to try out a 35mm stem as I had a 40mm on the Jeffsy. The dropper has at least another inch to go into the frame. Not measured my inseam but my slacks are all 30l
Can you swap it without a motor drop?
Yes. And No. I fitted a Reverb AXS, but managed to get the old outer from the frame by pulling gently and feeling no resistance, I kept going.
If you use a cable version, you can probably do it without removing the cable from the frame by paying attention to what's happening.
Ta.
I shortened the cable on my dropper and had to drop the motor. If you have the correct tool to remove the chain ring then it really is a simple job. So order the tool before doing anything to the seat post! £25 off Ebay.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144338946283?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
Muggins here didn't have the tool and realised too late that without it dropping the motor is (almost) impossible. The thought of missing a ride next day though was incentive enough to come up with a solution. So yes, realistically, you do need to drop the motor to work on the seatpost, and yes it is technically possible to remove it with the chainring still in situ, though I really, really do not recommend it!!!!
BTW if you order your Rise direct via the Orbea website, to be delivered to your local outlet, you can specify the length of seatpost and stem. My Large has 170mm seat post and 40mm stem.
Thanks again. I think we have the correct Steps tool at work, so will borrow that before going near the dropper. Ta. No custom ordering option, for time reasons, grabbing a bike from stock. I like the options they offer for those prepared to wait though.
Oh, and on that, everyone getting on okay with the E13 cranks and preload caps? Or did you swap out for Shimano?
You’ll be swapping the dropper at some point as they really aren’t the George, mine lasted about 200miles.
What was the issue? We've got two which have each done c1800km+ now and both are fine - they go up and down reliably. Orbea site lists all the parts as spares at reasonable prices - the seal/guide service kits are £14. (I've just ordered some - one post got a knock and has a little side to side movement and they're not feeling as smooth as they were but service looks very simple).
Oh, and on that, everyone getting on okay with the E13 cranks and preload caps? Or did you swap out for Shimano?
I swapped the brakes on ours so had the motors out. Someone, I'm guessing the dealer, had put so much blue thread lock on the caps I had to hammer them out with a punch as the Allen key just rounded off the hole. Replaced caps with £4 jobs from eBay which have a larger Allen head on them, and a sensible drop of thread lock and they've been fine. Theres no obvious reason they should be an issue - the only thing they lack vs Shimano is the 'safety hook'. They both rely on a pair of bolts and the same splined interface. The caps *shouldn't* be taking any load, but with a bit of thread lock should act as a safety in the same way as Shimano's pin.
One of our bikes has a single shimano crank as bent an E13. They're a straight replacement but *most* riders are not having any issues (the carbon cranks relied on a single bolt which sounds like it was a bad idea)
Of course, seated position is only one aspect of the geometry, and arguably not as important as the actual reach figures.
The OP lives in Essex and wanted it for "local XC rides". He'll be sat down a lot 🙂
You’ll be swapping the dropper at some point as they really aren’t the George, mine lasted about 200miles.
What was the issue? We’ve got two which have each done c1800km+ now and both are fine – they go up and down reliably. Orbea site lists all the parts as spares at reasonable prices – the seal/guide service kits are £14. (I’ve just ordered some – one post got a knock and has a little side to side movement and they’re not feeling as smooth as they were but service looks very simple).
To be honest I was being a bit harsh, there not amazingly smooth especially when wet or gritty, but I suppose what is? mine more annoyingly made a creaking noise whilst pedaling, which was annoying at worst, but I fancied a longer drop and cleaned everything up by sticking the AXS post and gears on. I really dislike messy cables!
EDIT If you're anyone is going to try and remove the cables without dropping the motor, go very slowly and stop if you feel resistance at all as the VERY thin motor control wire is in the same internal cable guides as the dropper post cable.
Useful. Thanks. Will drop the motor just in case if swapping, and can check the cranks at the same time.
EDIT If you’re anyone is going to try and remove the cables without dropping the motor, go very slowly and stop if you feel resistance at all as the VERY thin motor control wire is in the same internal cable guides as the dropper post cable.
Is it? when I removed the motor and battery there were not any internal cable guides - the cables are just loose over the top of the battery and motor (though pretty tightly squeezed in). The dropper cable doesn't go through either of the two loops on the outside either side of the seat tube.
I'm hoping not to need to remove the motor to remove and refit the dropper to service it....
There are small carbon hoops in the down tube just near the head tube which the cables pass under to hold them. Possibly others further down but can’t confirm that.