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While I wait for Chips to give us the next instalment on his long term review I was wondering if anybody else has had one for long enough for the honeymoon effect to have worn of. If so, what do you think of it? What don't you like?
I don't like that I don't have one. 😆
I'm still in the honeymoon...
Feel free to put your honeymoon thoughts down. You can always update them later if you change your mind 🙂
There are more slacker and longer travel alternatives on the market now than when Orange launched the Segment. I'd shop around (if long and slack floats your boat).
and that got what to do with this thread?
Anyone looking at a segment will be looking at current crop of 'medium' travel 29er's, like the Whyte T-129, Banshee Phantom, Transition Smuggler, Salsa Horsethief, Evil Following, Pyga on ten/stage max, Spech Camber, Kona Process, Hammerhead Thumper, Kona's Satori...etc etc.. I know I did, what I didn't do was looking at anything longer travel, as it wouldn't have suited my needs.
Climbs a lot better than my previous bike (Cube AMS 120 29er) and more confident on the descents too (rides like a much longer travel bike than it is).
^^^ His is lovely.
Check this out, if your looking at the segment
http://m.pinkbike.com/news/shropshire-segment-shredding-video-2015.html
It rode well when I took it for a spin and I'm rocking a five
^^^ That bike looks familiar...
I'm building my frame up just now ,collecting bits as and when I can . Can't wait to get it finished anyone got pics of there's to give me inspiration!!!
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Thanks folks. The bike looks great swhoward, but why have they dropped neon orange from their range of colours? That's the classic Orange colour surely.
I liked the video. The bit in lycra reminded me of my main question with this bike (and bikes of its type). They are marketed as bikes for hard hitting trail riders, but are they actually any good for general tame XC, which makes up most of my actual riding? As somebody who has no skills but wants to be able to ride all the mountain, I like the idea of confidence on the downs, but I also like to ride up the mountain and don't want it to be a pain there.
I've been swapping between a Five and a Solaris for the past year or two and I love them both, but for different reasons. The Five is comfortable, fun and gives me the confidence to try things, but is more of a chore on the climbs. The Solaris is fun on the way up and surprisingly capable on the way down, but I'm not sure hardtails are really for me. So, it's tempting to seek a bike that will combine the best of both and an Orange 29er is the obvious starting point. But, of course, you rarely get the best of both worlds and usually just end up with a disappointing compromise.
It's good to see the Evil appreciation squad checking in. Thanks for not derailing the thread guys, but I'm looking forward to hearing how you get on with those bikes over the next few months.
Stunning Simon ,what's it like to climb ,I constantly reading and hearing they "Bob out " on climbs
Should be a decent pedaller running 1x:
http://linkagedesign.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/orange-segment-29-2015.html?m=1
Probably a bit prone to kickback and jacking with a granny ring.
I have a Gyro which i put a -2 headset in. I really really like it and its my go to bike despite having more glamourous carbon bikes in the garage. I run it 1x10 and i havnt noticed awful bob or jack. It really likes the reverb i fitted and even with a robust and weighty set of Hope Enduro wheels it is lots of fun to ride.
Really happy with my Gyro too. I've slackened mine slightly with some 130 mm Revs and it's perfect.
Seriously considering a nice bright powdercoat as a change from the standard black.
Simon
Any idea of the weight of your Segment?
Thanks in advance
Cheers stevedoc, no "bob out" on climbs that I can detect. Catvet, I'll see what I can do.
How easy is it to lift the front wheel on these things? 450mm chainstays sound long by modern standards, but I know there is more to it than that.
Also, I'm guessing that you prefer to climb seated? I don't detect much in the way of bob on my Five if I stay seated (which is what I prefer), but stand up and stomp and it's like riding a pogo stick!
Looking at the linkagedesign page, all the graphs seem to assume a 32T chainring but the table at the top is for a 28T. Anyone know why that is?
I use a 28T on my Solaris and the ratios work well for me (with a 42 out back), but I've always assumed that you'd need to run a 32T to get the best out of an Orange.
I use a 28T on my Solaris and the ratios work well for me (with a 42 out back), but I've always assumed that you'd need to run a 32T to get the best out of an Orange.
I don't see why that would be. A lot of designers are now optimising around 1x11 and assuming 32t for 27.5 frames and 28t for 29ers.
Riverpig
If you send me your e mail address I will send you a copy of my 3 day test on a segment that I had out last weekend!
Phwill77atgmaildotcom
I thought Orange always optimised their bikes for a 32T ring, but I see that for 2016 all three models of the Segment come with 30T. I doubt I numpty like me would feel any difference in kinematics between 30T and 28T but if I did I guess I could go for shimano 11 speed with the 45t expander (30x45 = 28x42 🙂 )
catvet, YGM.
Thinking outloud here: Could you fit a 650b+ wheelset in a Segment?
And would you want to?
Hard to say. The one I tested recently had (I think) High Roller 29x2.3 tyres, which were a snug fit. But the stays get wider with a smaller diameter tyre and something like a Trailblazer isn't that wide, so it depends how much smaller the diameter of a B+ tyre is.
As to whether you'd want to; no personally I wouldn't. I like the idea of B+ on a rigid or even a hardtail (I'll probably try it on my Mk1 Solaris), but the last the thing the Segment seemed to need was heavier wheels as far as I could tell.
I did some rough'ish measurements last week on my Gyro and I reckon b+ tyre, something like a 2.8 will fit. Singlespeedstu did some measurements on the b+ thread and it looks like there would be around 10 mm either side at the tyres widest point (320 mm from the centre of the hub)