[Closed] Orange Five - WTF makes it so special?

Are the actualy made in England? i got a new Orange bike last year and if i remember right the sticker on the frame said " Designed in england " but it was made in the far east.

Oh Brother!!!!!...............

Sub £3k will get you this.....

http://www.canyon.com/_en/mountainbikes/bike.html?b=2088

Better Built (probably)
Better looking
Evolved !
Every component is better spec (Full Xtr, R1s etc)
significantly! lighter
Rare (at the moment)
Rave reviews
Great service

hmmmm a TOTR Canyon, then 25 Tai hookers with the spare cash! or a 5SE !

😆

If im right only the 5 is made in Halifax, all the cheaper ones are made else where.
That Canyon looks lovely and GOOD value for money.
I mean come on, the 5s have to be expensive, they are made in the UK.

Basically the monocoque ones are made in the UK, the tube ones are made in Taiwan (not totally sure about the ST4 but I [i]think[/i] it's furrin)

Better Built (probably)

[b]Errr no, its made by a robot[/b].

Better looking

[b]Are you blind, it looks like a Kona![/b]

Evolved

[b]Really?[/b]

Every component is better spec (Full Xtr, R1s etc)

[b]Correct, makes up for that cheap and nasty frame[/b]

significantly! lighter

[b]Who cares?[/b]

Rare (at the moment)

[b]So are Ladas[/b]

Rave reviews

[b]I think that was more the fact it was cheap and had decent kit[/b]

Great service

[b]Aren't they internet only?[/b]

To be fair, that Canyon does look a million times nicer than the Orange Five.

And what's wrong with being built by a robot? The tubes were on the Orange, so why not the welding?

Starting to assume Flow's on a troll here...

flow - Member

Errr no, its made by a robot.

And? Being handmade isn't automatically better, in fact robot welding is often more consistent.

flow - Member
Correct, makes up for that cheap and nasty frame

What's cheap and nasty about it?

No it doesn't, its a matter of opinion obviously.

The Five isn't made of tubes, its pressed from sheet aluminium then welded.

Northwind, assume what you like, I'm entitled to an opinion as much as anyone else.

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They do ride much better with a coil shock, RP23 BV for me blows its mid-travel.

Funny old debate going on, its a good bike at most things, and it forgives my awful skills 😀

with my 36's on it does feel like a mini DH bike, and can go much faster than I can think downhill.

Flow: 😆

Personal insults don't help

Alright they are pressed and cut by a machine 8)

This is a cool vid though whether you like them or not

FLOW, yes you are entitled to an opinion, JUST LIKE EVEYONE ELSE.

Bored now

And what's wrong with being built by a robot? The tubes were on the Orange, so why not the welding?

Nothing wrong with it, in fact set up correctly the robot will make better welds than any human.

Edit doh too slow...

Flow clearly is a guy who owns an Orange 5, probably a Neon green one with colour matched rims and deems himself a little "crazy". When I owened a 5 SE I also felt, for some strange reason, a little hell bent on protecting its integrity, probably because I am from halifax ?

Canyons are probably made by robots,......... the exact reason why I would buy one. The thing about robots is they can be programmed to produce perfection, frame after frame. They dont have mood swings, they dont turn up late, they dont have opinion etc...etc....

I noticed someone above mentioned the "trueness" of his 5 frame, my back wheel also was 7-8mm further to the RH side of the swing arm, I dropped it back in and they said it was in tolerence ?.

Off to drool over that crap looking cheap Canyon ?........... with its £275.00 seatpost & £450.00 brakeset, worth a punt ?, at least if you didnt like it you could split it and make a margin !.

flow - Member

The Five isn't made of tubes, its pressed from sheet aluminium then welded.

Except the top tube, which is a [i]tube[/i].

You're entitled to an opinion but you should at least have something to back it up apart from "it's not made by a robot" and "the Canyon is nasty"

Flow and Mountainman123 stop fighting its making me sad, come on we all love bikes , there only as good as the rider, I use mine to compensate for my hopeless skills. 😀

Got to agree Canyon is not my cuppa tea

I think i am with northwind, mountainman123 and ragti on this one. flow is a troll and seems to have nothing to back anything he says up!
Loving the sarcasm Northwind 😆

[b]You are always going to pay a premium for anything handmade because whether you like it or not, you are paying for someones skills and time. [/b]

[b]You're entitled to an opinion but you should at least have something to back it up apart from "it's not made by a robot" and "the Canyon is nasty" [/b]

to correct a common misconception about off-shore bike production, VERY few bicycle frames are manufactured using "robots", they are actually "hand made" not by english or german workers but by highly-skilled Taiwanese workers who actually get paid a good wage for their work

a skilled welder in Taiwan is typically making US$25,000 a year

many of the quality frames manufactured in Taiwan are made by small, specialist manufacturing plants which are often family-owned and run by business people who have invested huge amounts of money into the latest manufacturing technology and training for their workforce

as an example, I currently ride a Canadian manufactured Split-Pivot suspension frame - everything is manufactured in Canada except for the tubeset which is made in Taiwan as it requires very specialist hydroforming tube manipulation which is not available anywhere in the USA, Canada or Europe

once the tubeset has been manufactured it is shipped back to Quebec, Canada and then mitred and jigged up for welding

this hydroforming is not done for aesthetic reasons, but to put the metal exactly where its needed, and remove it where its not needed - this results in a tough 'real world resistant' tubeset with minimal weight compared to regular round tubing or the old Easton RAD style tubesets

Taiwan is where the cutting edge manufacturing is found - unfortunately not in the UK or Germany

Taiwan has factories leading the world in advanced bicycle manufacuring including hydroforming the highest strength and toughest 7XXX series aluminium alloys, cold-forging and cold-form extrusion

China has factories leading the world in advanced bicycle manufacturing including hand-laid carbon composite technology

all these factories are heavily 'labour intensive' with 'hand made' being the way things are done..not "robots"

Jeffus / Flow......its still 2 for one with free prescription sunglasses 😉

eher shore, at last someone talking sense. Im sure flow will find something to correct you on.

Anti-Squat-Kinematics
Oh i just love marketing speak

flow is a troll and seems to have nothing to back anything he says up!

I think you'll find there's more than one troll in this thread...

Are you lot still on about this?

I have a five - love its geometry and versatility. Built with Coils front and back as a do it all bike. I can do Iners DH lines one day then a cross country mega loop the next.

Its basic and simple and gets the job done.

many of the quality frames manufactured in Taiwan are made by small, specialist manufacturing plants which are often family-owned and run by business people who have invested huge amounts of money into the latest manufacturing technology and training for their workforce

Ahhh if I must correct you.

Giant is the world's largest bicycle manufacturer with factories in Taiwan, China, and Europe. Giant, a Taiwanese company started in 1972, manufacturers their own bikes - including the carbon bikes, which is unique in the industry (i.e., most other brands utilize other manufacturers such as Advanced or Martec).

In addition to making their own bikes, Giant also makes, or has made, bikes for many other prominent brands, including Trek, Specialized, Schwinn, and Bianchi. Giant's claim to fame is that they have the most sophisticated and efficient manufacturing facilities in the bicycle industry.

I believe they also manufacture bikes for Santa Cruz.

These bikes are mass-produced, they are definitely not handmade.

I got that from here, I wasn't born with the knowledge, have a read yourself

http://allanti.com/articles/where-was-my-bike-made-pg328.htm

[Jeffus / Flow......its still 2 for one with free prescription sunglasses ]

Ragti you made me laugh, I'm crazy about really bright colours always have been, Neon Green is awsome, even glows in the dark, although my last bike was an anodised grey Nomad, very dull but rides superb.
My reason for the Neon Green was so my mates can easily find me in the gorse on night rides 😀 😀

Only really cheap bikes are made by robots. Everything any of us ride is welded by real people who happen to live abroad.

Ahhh if I must correct you.

Giant is the world's largest bicycle manufacturer with factories in Taiwan, China, and Europe. Giant, a Taiwanese company started in 1972, manufacturers their own bikes - including the carbon bikes, which is unique in the industry (i.e., most other brands utilize other manufacturers such as Advanced or Martec).

In addition to making their own bikes, Giant also makes, or has made, bikes for many other prominent brands, including Trek, Specialized, Schwinn, and Bianchi. Giant's claim to fame is that they have the most sophisticated and efficient manufacturing facilities in the bicycle industry.

I believe they also make bike for Santa Cruz.

These bikes are mass-produced

don't worry about it..I've spent time off-shore in the factories making these bikes

even Giant's frames are "hand made", not using robots on some mass production line 😉

Giant have gotten very good at streamlining their production but still employ actual human beings (very skilled ones) to make their frames

robots are not very good at placing tubesets into a jig for tack welding, doing alignment checks and then actually welding the frame

but generally, human hands are involved in manufacturing bicycle frames whether its Giant or smaller outfits like Pacific

If you actually read that link you will learn something

Edit: not directed at anyone in particular

Flow, I'm going to join in the bashing as it seems safe to be part of the crowd..The standard mistake on stw and other forums is to make a crtical reply of someone esles post without first reading it, these seems to be your problem here.

The post above says, crucially "[b]many[/b] of the quality etc etc"

from your reply it appears you read that as [b]most[/b] as otherwise your reply makes little sense..

Of course I could be comitting the 2nd biggest mistake made on stw and other forums, which is assuming that anyone posting is capapble of making sense..

If you actually read that link you will learn something.

read that information 3 years ago, its somewhat out of date and generalises certain manufacturing information

Cannondale are ALL made in Taiwan, not the USA, as are Rocky Mountain and Santa Cruz (not made by Giant, btw)

Jeffus, you are clearly a fan of the 90s with your naff neon Fads !, I bet you are dissapointed peppermint green was not on the list ? 😆

I see a bloke every thursday night on a neon green 5 with matched rims, he even drives a bright red BMW estate (debadged of course) which in other words makes it a 316i !!!, he also probably works in I.T. ?

Built with Coils front and back as a do it all bike. I can do Iners DH lines one day then a cross country mega loop the next

Owning as I do a Patriot, I don't like my 5 on DH courses. Head angle too steep and bars too far away. Of course they need to be like that for riding up stuff which is part of the bike's brief.

2007 model tho.

molgrips - im not saying its the best at those tasks just highlighting for me its a do it all machine that gets me out riding everything.

Possibly jack of all trades master of none (except maybe singletrack trail descents) but to be honest thats all im after.

Yes you are correct, Cannondale moved all its production to Taiwan in 2010 I think. I thought Santa Cruz were made by Giant 😕

A well designed bike, made by hand or machines with good quality control is what is important. Who cares where it's made.The it's made in Halfax by hand so it must be good and one made by robots in Tiawan is crap is clearly bolloc£s statement about the real quality of a particular bike.

RagTi, my wife rolls her eyes every time I build a new bike 😀

It all started with a Vista Orange Mk2 Escort Sport with RS Alloys in 1981,

never had any colour sense since... 😀

1st mountain bike Kona Hoss Beer brown 😕
Scott G zero grey 😕
SC Chameleon Bright Orange 😀
SC Heckler Bright Orange, 😀
two years later repainted Bright Yellow, 😀
SC Superlight Bright Orange 😀
SC Nomad Grey 😕
Yeti Arc Bright Yello and Black 😀
Orange P7 completely White 😀
Giant Reign Grey 😕
Orange 5 Neon Green 😀

I think my final colour has gone off the scale of bad taste but I like it 😀 😀

I think my final colour has gone off the scale of bad taste but I like it 😀

.............confirmed, then again it was probably required to cover the depression caused by riding your previous Giant reign, in grey !

Mk1 1 Escort.....drule ! 8)

Mountainman weren't you crying like a big girl the other day because Ibis had released a new bike that had a better colour than yours or some other ridiculously vacuous reason? No wonder you don't "get" the Orange 5. PS do you wish you were on the MBUK WReCKINGZ CREWZ?

If it wasn't you I apologize profusely for my ire.

As everyone knows, the best bike is the one you currently own.*

I own a Five, and it's not only better than all the other bikes in the universe. It's also better than all the other Fives in the universe. Why? Because it's mine. So there.

* genuine fact.

- is that along the right kind of level this argument as got to now?

A well designed bike, made by hand or machines with good quality control is what is important. Who cares where it's made.

Agreed by most people nowadays it would seem, thankfully...

Giant is the world's largest bicycle manufacturer with factories in Taiwan, China, and Europe. Giant, a Taiwanese company started in 1972, manufacturers their own bikes - including the carbon bikes, which is unique in the industry (i.e., most other brands utilize other manufacturers such as Advanced or Martec).

In addition to making their own bikes, Giant also makes, or has made, bikes for many other prominent brands, including Trek, Specialized, Schwinn, and Bianchi. Giant's claim to fame is that they have the most sophisticated and efficient manufacturing facilities in the bicycle industry.

To look at the quality and detail on a cheap, "mass produced" Giant in comparison to a high end, small batch produced bike like an Orange 5... Well anyone not into MTBing would struggle to tell why the Orange cost so much more money. Giant are the world's biggest, and possibly the best, for a reason! I've got 2 Giants (A Defy Road Bike, and a Reign X) in my collection, the quality of finish and the attention to even the most miniscule of detail on them is staggering compared to most other brands.

The 5 is a good bike, Orange have their place in the market for sure, and I wish them good luck. In fact I lust after an Orange Blood frame, it really "does it" for me, whereas the 5 just leaves me cold. That said I would be even happier if Giant made their own version of the Blood, at half the price, reduced weight, and better finished...

Blimey Page 6! FFS

I'm thinking of selling mine at the end of the year and buying a Yeti ASR

5 Carbon and for RagTi I may just get a black one 😀 it may have white

wheels though 😀 must try harder to have colour sense. 😛

I feel the need for less weight and travel.

A well designed bike, made by hand or machines with good quality control is what is important. Who cares where it's made.

Me

So do I but apparently we shouldn't

It's a bike. Opinions differ (it would be a very dull world if they didn't). This thread is silly.....

I have a 2005 Five Pro with upgrade pack which I've owned from new and I have to say it's a great bike. It's superbly versatile, very reliable and fun to ride. That's all you need isn't it? I've raced XC, raced enduro, pushed it up and ridden it down Ben Nevis and hammered plenty of other trails. I've only ever replaced the shock bushes, drivetrain and tyres, and still run the original Manitou SPV and Fox Float R suspension.

Was thining of replacing it with something with a slightly stiffer rear but there's not really any need. Going to the Alps this year and will see how it holds up; I don't have any concerns. Thinking of a suspension refresh soon and it should last me another 6 years.

neninja - Member
Almost every other bike at Hamsterley this morning seemed to be an Orange Five so they must be doing something right.

(The other 50% seemed to be Giant Trance's)

It's funny you should say that because I've noticed lots more Trance X's on the trails this year. I was starting to think that I was the only one in the UK who rode one but now they really seem to be catching on.

I've never ridden an Orange 5 but I would say that they must be a good bike to be as popular as they are. Everyone say's they're great fun down hill which is probably what most of us crave.

and the attention to even the most miniscule of detail on them is staggering compared to most other brands.

Can you actually quantify that though? And I'm not just on about compared to Orange here, just in general because it seems as unquantified and pointless as the guys claiming that handbuilt in england equals better.

A mate of mine loves his Anthem but he's had his fair share of maintenance woes regarding pivots...

I hope this 5 bashing catches on, then I can pick one up cheap!

My neighbours is excellent, builds to rufty tufty or lightish xc (not really noticeably different to my uber skinny 2001 superlight), you can bash new bearings in at home when required in 30 minutes being careful (10 when not), and all the supposed limitations of single pivot designs can be avoided by just not thinking about them or not reading magazines 😉

Can you actually quantify that though?

I suppose it is quite subjective, but when I look at the quality of the welds, the level of hydroforming, the way everything is carefully butted in all the right places, the way all the tubes meet in a very organic fashion (no abrupt stops), I never fail to be impressed. I'm largely thinking of my Giant Defy road bike here for inspiration, but if you didn't know the price of it, you'd be forgiven for thinking it was vastly more expensive than it actually was.

There are a lot of pivots on Giant's full sus designs to be fair, which I suppose given poor British weather and a lack of maintenance would mean the Anthem for instance would be more likely to wear its pivots out quicker than a 5. But then again, my full sus stays in the Garage during the worst of Winter, when it's that muddy underfoot I'm happy riding my hardtail the whole time.

all the supposed limitations of single pivot designs can be avoided by just not thinking about them

Hehe 🙂

As well as the lifetime of multi pivot bearings it's the sheer number of them. which means it's more expensive to replace and a much more time consuming job.

Anyone want to buy my Five? This thread has put me off owning one.

Five is a rapid bike. If you don't like them it means you like your brakes too much.

It's just a fun and involving bike to ride. Had a 5" Heckler, then an early five and now a Prophet MX. All of them set up with fairly similar kit.

Small diferences between them on paper and the five is the most aesthetically challenged but also the most fun and felt the quickest on any long ride.

I have an open mind to newer bikes that may perform better but I miss the Five still and would probably swap the MX to one or an Alpine 160 if the need for a change arose.

Never really liked the superior fsr type bikes as although they felt competent they seemed a bit dull and dead to me. Even bought an ETSX once but hated that as soon as things pointed downhill.

I think if you like hardtails and simple/easy to maintain bikes but want some cush or more high speed control and can lay off the brakes a bit then the Five is hard to beat.

There are a lot of pivots on Giant's full sus designs to be fair, which I suppose given poor British weather and a lack of maintenance would mean the Anthem for instance would be more likely to wear its pivots out quicker than a 5. But then again, my full sus stays in the Garage during the worst of Winter, when it's that muddy underfoot I'm happy riding my hardtail the whole time.

To be fair, the mate in question is just about the most anal bike cleaner I've ever met. But ignoring that, I think you've hit one of the nails on the head as to why Five is so great.

I suppose it is quite subjective, but when I look at the quality of the welds, the level of hydroforming, the way everything is carefully butted in all the right places

We've already established that Giant make bikes for other people, so I guess what I'm saying is that there's nothing unique in the industry about the specific quality in Giant over other brands if many of them are already Giants. Also confused how you can 'see' butting in all the right places, and surely if the butting is in the wrong place the frame would have probably failed at some point in prototyping... just saying!!! 😮

I like mine. It does what it should and I think is very good looking too. Oh, and I'm delighted that it's made in Halifax.

Glad we all came to an agreement in the end, it is the best bike ever 😉

Anyone want to buy my Five? This thread has put me off owning one.

Please PJ, I understand it'll much cheepness as it's clearly inferior 😀

Please PJ, I understand it'll much cheepness as it's clearly inferior

Ah, but it's been owned by me which makes it superior as [i]my [/i]bike. 😉

Anybody want to sell me their no rubbish 5? Always fancied owning one and now they seem to be rubbish maybe I can have one cheap. For my 2p's worth all bikes are much or a muchness. The rider makes most of the difference and if you want to buy a five you are supporting what I think is a fairly decent British company. I could not afford to buy one but please stop this terrible moaning. This whole thread is an embarrassment. Like listening to a party of sad business men who don't get enough sex.

223 Posts. 223 being one of the most significant numbers in why people ride 5's

What makes mine so special.I really enjoy riding it as fast as i can and i don't fall off it as much as i used to fall off my previous bike.
Much enjoyment+not too much pain=why i ride.

just make your choice and spend your cash! I love my 5 it's fun I've tried and owned another half dozen that I think I love until I get back on my five! a coil shock does make it better but I switch between a rp23 and a fox rc4 depending on the ride I'm going on!
bottom line its a tool for a job and I choose the one I feel suits me best! There may be better ones and if I find it I'll buy it but for now I love it!
No need to get emotional over a lump of metal!!!!

Bought one today - did'nt need a test ride - just read this thread 😉

There are two things that make a Five so special.

The first thing is the geometry, which ensures that when it comes to trail bikes there is little to compete against it. Before anyone starts going on about climbing if thats your concern get an xc bike, the five is at its best going along and down, the fun stuff.

The second thing that makes it so special is its UK proof-ness. The frame, bearings and paint job will still be tip top long after other bikes have had to have bearings replaced and are starting to look tired from all the paint chips. Basically these things will generally out last everything out there.

My main concern when buying a trail bike is how well it goes downhill, my next concern is that it will last more than a couple of seasons, my third concern is now well it pedals up hill, my final concern is how it looks. Other people will prioritise in a different order which will obviously lead them to a different bike.

What makes the five so special? Everything...or nothing...it just depends where your riding is coming from.

sailor74 - Member
There are two things that make a Five so special.

The first thing is the geometry, which ensures that when it comes to trail bikes there is little to compete against it. Before anyone starts going on about climbing if thats your concern get an xc bike, the five is at its best going along and down, the fun stuff.

The second thing that makes it so special is its UK proof-ness. The frame, bearings and paint job will still be tip top long after other bikes have had to have bearings replaced and are starting to look tired from all the paint chips. Basically these things will generally out last everything out there.

My main concern when buying a trail bike is how well it goes downhill, my next concern is that it will last more than a couple of seasons, my third concern is now well it pedals up hill, my final concern is how it looks. Other people will prioritise in a different order which will obviously lead them to a different bike.

What makes the five so special? Everything...or nothing...it just depends where your riding is coming from.

Well said

DeeJay - Member
Bought one today - did'nt need a test ride - just read this thread

You definitely won't regret it. I'm waiting from mine to be delivered, I hate waiting!

Regarding the nonsense about replacing all the bearings on multi-link suspension designs: A set of bearings on a Giant typically last ~2 years. Although a set (10) costs more to replace than on a Five (2), the initial price difference of the bikes would fund replacing bearings on the Giant for ~40 years.

So stop putting up the "single pivot's are better because they have only 2 bearings" argument - it drivel IMO.

A fair criticism of Giant FSs is how awkward the design makes for cleaning.

+1 for Buzz.

I await comments that we don't ride enough.

🙄

It goes to show how good the Five is when people who own other brands feel the need to comment on the thread defending their bikes and justifying their purchase.

😆

Thats a bit rich Flow when we have 6 pages justifying an Orange....

In terms of climbing, my '10 Five cleans technical climbs that my old ('07) stumpy and '07 Enduro just couldn't.

Far better downhill too 🙂

Holyzeus - Member
Thats a bit rich Flow when we have 6 pages justifying an Orange....

No need to justify something that does what it should so well. Go ride one and see for yourself.

I've had one since 2004, so longer than most on here 😉 It's just a bike. To be frank, I can't even remember why I bought it in the first place. I like to think it rides well, and all the people who've had a crack on it have enjoyed themselves, but it's the only FS I've owned so ignorance may be bliss.

The british built factor does resonate for me, since I also work for a small UK manufacturer in another fairly specialist field. I'd happily pay more for UK made product, which is odd since I'm not a patriotic type at all! I think they're especially popular in the UK for that reason, many other countries will have a similar manufacturer.

Well said Rich. Indeed a bikes a bike.

I have an '07 Five. Love it to bits and seems to be a great all rounder. Reasonably light for 140mm FS, climbs well, descends well, seems quick in a straight line, good mud clearance, simply maintenance, good looking bike, UK made, etc. I could go on but won't. I'm sure everyone thinks this of their own bike. Horses for courses.

I bought mine after riding a Stumpy FSR Pro that was my first FS after many years of riding hardtails. It was slightly too small for me (17.5" medium). The 18" Orange fit me perfectly. I wanted an '06 Five but couldn't afford one at the time. I read an MBR review that used the same components on 4 different frames in Feb '07. The Five shined so I decided to try one. Had it for a bank holiday weekend. Rode it everyday. Loved it. Bought one straight away.

Isn't the fact the we all enjoy riding and all love the bikes we ride more important. Not sure I understand the Five haters. It's just a bike. By no means do I think the Five is the best bike, or indeed something special. But it does have a little bit of something that appeals to a great deal of riders.

I can understand what none Five riders are referring to though. The latest Five is not cheap, it's not as light or spec'd as well as similar 140mm bikes and it's an old single-pivot design. Either way, if you rode one and liked it, these facts pale into insignificance, you'd just bloody buy one!!

since everyone is adding something here )

5's rule.

I've just bought a 5 today - second hand 2008 model with lots of top spec kit, can't wait to stick some devilles and a ccdb on it and head out for the Alps in the summer!

I think the best thing I can add is that I love mine.

Coming from years on enduro and motocross bikes and having recently suffered a mammoth road (motor)bike crash I have now had to start back at the beginning on a MTB. I ride fairly hard in spells and like almost all of the motorbikes I've owned I reached my talent ceiling before the bike's at full stretch, which makes you become a better rider. Got to praise that.

Try before you buy. They are totally hyped, If I worked at Orange I would have started this thread. They are pretty savvy when it comes to using 'trendy' media.

I've also got a Schwinn Moab that has needed no new parts aside from brakes n tires for about 8 years. Does'nt make it the best bike in the world tho.

My Trance X bearings were shot in 6 months, I thought it was the best bike in the world until I got my new one...now that is the best and it only has 2 bearings 🙂