[Closed] Orange 5 pro STOLEN

Scum bags, Only up the road, will keep an eye out.

I notice the photo is from Degla, any chance he's been followed home. When mine went ( and my mates a couple of weeks later) the police where convinced wed been followed home...

also had an extra link in chain

That'll make it easy to spot then!!

I know the posted and It was 5 miles east of Wrexham so not taken from Llandegla.
It was from the roof of his car outside a quiet country pub.

Keep um peeled

badbob - it seems to be something that's becoming quite common in the area.
my friend's trek remedy 8 got swiped off his roof rack in the Brynteg area of Wrexham 2 weeks ago.
the guy is absolutely gutted as i would imagine your friend is. i wouldn't be surprised if its same bike thieving scumbag responsible.
it sickens me when i hear stories like this as it pains me to think that all the hard work and expense someone has gone to to get their perfect bike, can disappear in a flash because some sticky fingered scrote decides "i'll have that for myself".

While I feel absolutely gutted for all those that have had them taken, and while I agree sticky fingered scrotes etc...

They're left on a roof bike rack...

It doesn't matter how 'quiet' of a pub, if you leave a shiny expensive bike on your roof rack you're simply asking for trouble.

A while ago on STW someone had left two high end bikes ontop of a roof rack and gone into the Trafford Centre shopping..

Even if you use the biggest padlocks- a flat-headed screwdriver can pop 4 sides of the rails footpack off away from the roof the car within seconds.

If its out of sight from where I am I wouldn't do it.

thats why mine always goes in the back of the car covered by a tarpaulin

^^same here - in back of car (has tinted windows) with a blanket over it.
I do use a roofrack over the winter months, but it is only to transport the bike home if it is really muddy - and in that instance i'll go straight home.

I'll keep an eye out over in the Clywds and Llandegla.

What Gsuperstar & hora said, I'd be more than gutted if mine got stolen but I take every care I can to prevent it, I literally will not take my eye off it if its not locked up at home.

freeagent - i agree. it's straight home for me too, even if the bikes covered in cack it still goes in the car on top of another tarpaulin.

by the way this is now a bit of a long shot but if anyone spots the bike below...this is the one that got nabbed a fortnight ago...please let me know...there is a reward available too for its successful recovery.

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in all honesty though i very much doubt its even still in north wales....it'll probably now in some other part of the country or has been stripped down to be sold.

Really sorry to hear about the bike, but I'm absolutely incredulous that anyone would leave their bike on roof bars, sat outside the pub. Amazing 😯

How many have gone in the last few months, just from the posts on here? Its no more secure than just leaving it leant against a wall unlocked

This has been posted before....

really hope you get it back but laving a bike on a roof rack is asking for trouble, i'm lucky enough to drive a van could never go back to owning a car now they're just not practical.

Sorry to hear of the loss. I agree with other comments that that roof racks and rear racks are not secure places to leave the bike unattended. Back of the car / van is so much better. If I do have to leave mine for a few mins, and I mean a few not 20 or 30, then I cable and D lock to a secure part of the rack and or roof rails of the car.

Mark N, I'm circles around in an old transit van and I spot these thin metal pieces holding thousands of pounds of bike..

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Lever against the car paint- How long would it take you?

It doesn't matter how 'quiet' of a pub, if you leave a shiny expensive bike on your roof rack you're simply asking for trouble.

No, you are asking to have a drink in a nice quiet pub without having to worry about some scrote nicking your bike. Stop blaming the victim. Also, it's simply not accurate to imply that you are "asking for trouble". In fact you can probably leave your bikes on your roof (or other rack0 a hundred times and not get them nicked (I know, I do). OK, there is a small risk that it might get nicked and you may want to insure yourself against that risk, but I'm buggered if I'm going to turn down a pint just because there is a small risk that some toe rag may half inch my bike.

AGREE- abit harsh but keeps the topic fresh/top of the page for more eyes to see and it also helps remind potential new victims to remember the bike isn't secure no matter how you tie/use those Thule key locks to the bike. The Thule locks can be opened with a pair of scissors. Peace.

it's simply not accurate to imply that you are "asking for trouble".

.....true, but you're certainly inviting trouble.

it's simply not accurate to imply that you are "asking for trouble".

The amount of recent posts on here, regarding bikes nicked from the roof of cars would suggest otherwise. Its a sad state of affairs, i totally agree! But its the difference between the world we'd like to live in, and the one we [i]actually[/i] inhabit.

'Blaming the victim' is a bit strong! But you've seen how long it takes to lever a bike off a roof rack. If you're happy to leave your bike out of sight, given that, then fine. That's your choice. I just wouldn't myself

"blaming the victim"

Is a very evocative and emotive subject on the matter.

We SHOULD Be able to lock out bikes up in our garage or shed. Simple matter of fact is though I wouldn't leave a £300 LCD TV in my garage (BAD analogy yes) so why would I leave 2k of bike in there?

Blaming the victim is v strong IMO and unnecessary. There but for the grace......

On the same topic - I have a saris bike rack and always a little nervous about leaving it on the car when I go off for a ride. I guess the sensible thing would be to take it off and store it in the car, but haven't done so to date. Anyone lost a bike rack?

@Hora, yes agree totally it takes a couple of nano seconds and it is gone. My current vehicle, and last few, have integral roof bars so I have locked to this previously. The roof carrier was of the type you could lock through, not just round, the carrier itself. I now use a Thule 3 bike tow bar mounted and lock to the substantial frame of this. Saying that I am nervous as hell when doing this and the bike is out of my sight for no longer that a few minutes. I certainly do not leave it for any length of time while I go in for a drink or bite to eat. The only exception to that is if I can clearly see the bike from where I am sat. I would hate to lose any of my bikes.

Tell hazel we Will keep an eye out.

From this, and other posts on here recently, and somewhat worryingly, it seems that Llandegla is being actively targeted by bike thieves.

Wierd that - at Llandegla a couple of weeks ago I felt deeply uncomfortable about leaving my bike on the patio in view of the cafe door as I'd seen a transit drive round the carpark twice just before. Could literally be anyone looking where to park but it was the speed/etc about it. Ask me the colour? Theres only one colour.

Binners & Hora - there may be some element of truth in your observations about Llandegla. all you have to do is look at the quality of the bikes people use there and its pretty obvious the place is a bike thief's paradise.
me and my friends were there a few weeks ago and the car parks were absolutely crammed with cars as i suspect a great deal of people were trying to get one last decent ride in before the weather turned really nasty. with it being that busy there was no space to leave your bike on the racks outside the cafe so bikes were left in all manner of places.
all it would take is for someone to watch you leave your bike outside the cafe and walk in, and then nick off with it.

roverpig - Member
No, you are asking to have a drink in a nice quiet pub without having to worry about some scrote nicking your bike. Stop blaming the victim. Also, it's simply not accurate to imply that you are "asking for trouble". In fact you can probably leave your bikes on your roof (or other rack0 a hundred times and not get them nicked (I know, I do). OK, there is a small risk that it might get nicked and you may want to insure yourself against that risk, but I'm buggered if I'm going to turn down a pint just because there is a small risk that some toe rag may half inch my bike.

This is the thing, why is it not ok to blame the victim other than he's upsetting loss of a bike? The more people that go into a pub and leave their bike outside that end up getting thieved by scrotes, the more likely they are to return and keep doing it to others.

If you fancy a pint, sit next to a window where you can see your bike, then you can stop a theft in mid action, and possibly deter that scrote from ever trying again?

It seems naive of you to think that it's ok to just leave expensive things lying around in the public view with the belief everything will be ok.

Remember when the Government ran those TV/Poster adds about not leaving valuables in plain sight inside your car?

Probably need some about leaving valuables ON TOP of your car.

IMO roof racks should come with big red stickers saying "This is not a secure lock, it is designed to stop your bike falling off, not stop a thief.".

It seems naive of you to think that it's ok to just leave expensive things lying around in the public view with the belief everything will be ok

It's not so much naivety as a refusal to allow scumbags to affect your life in any way. But it's not just belligerence on my part. I also don't think it is really worth modifying my behaviour because of what appears to me to be a very low risk. In over 40 years of riding bikes (and countless times leaving them on display) I've had one bike stolen and that was from the hallway of a student flat when I lived in Croydon.

Yes, I could take a bit of extra time to put the bike in the car and a bit more time to clean the resultant mess from the car. It's not a huge effort. But over the years all those little extra bits of time add up to a decent chunk of time and you know what, you don't get that time back! That's time taken from your allotted span that you could spend doing something else.

I'm not advocating leaving biked unlocked in the middle of the street all the time. But I'm not going to criticise somebody who fancied popping into a pub for a pint and left their bike locked on a roof rack either.

IMO roof racks should come with big red stickers saying "This is not a secure lock, it is designed to stop your bike falling off, not stop a thief.".

TBH this would be a great idea.

Plus I'm with alot of people who don't want their bike IN the car. Especially if its newish, onloan/not yours/lease car etc etc as even with care you end up shagging the interior up.

The issue is you can't really leave your bike AT ALL - even in motorway service stations. You'd think you'd be relatively safe here as everyone is going somewhere and they don't tend to be anywhere near local council estates do they.

Gangs have been know to hang around services ready to steal from lorries, steal caravans off the back of cars or towed trailers etc etc. nevermind a bike.

Going back to sheds and garages- no matter what security you use, thieves come equipped in vehicles parked nearby as at the dead of night a youth(s) seen wandering the streets carrying a huge bolt cropper etc in his hand would be stopped. So no matter what security you use you'll be up against thieves who are coming equipped not opportunists..

I bet theres loads on here that can beat a Gold lock: http://www.machinemart.co.uk/

I also don't think it is really worth modifying my behaviour because of what appears to me to be a very low risk.

Again: the evidence posted on here of late would clearly suggest otherwise. (Anecdotaly at least) this is happening more an more often. Hardly surprising given the ease with which you could nick a few grands worth of kit in a matter of seconds. If you're an opportunist scrote, its a no brainer!

I may just be more cynical and world weary than you, but I opt for the 'if it isn't nailed down, it'll probably go missing. And even if it is nailed down, it still very well might' approach. The bike goes safely inside the car every time. Just shove a big ground sheet down in there! Ultimately I can live with a muddy boot, if it means staying in possession of my bike

I am not so sure that the risk is that small.

Cyclewise recently suffered. Even if it is nailed down it seems they will have it.
Bike nicked from cycle rack outside Morrisons, staff never used it due to volume of thefts but a customer was not aware of this
Recent posting, last few weeks as I recall, of another bike being taken from roof rack.
Degla seems to suffer more than its fair share of walk/drive offs of bikes.

Yeah you could be lucky and get away with it but how many bikes were found in that poly tunnel in the New Forest recently. Maybe there should be much better/more obvious warning signs at trail centres so as to raise awareness and remind people of the risk.

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I would add that there have been some good news stories as well where people have been reunited with their trusty steed. Lets hope that this does turn out to be one of these as well. 🙂

Mark N totally agree. You think you are with 'likeminded people' at trail centres.

Or its a safe area but it'd be wrong tothink of thieves as thick and not being able to order something substantial/driving licence/be organised.

Lifting just one bike beats working a whole week labouring in the rain.

It's not so much naivety as a refusal to allow scumbags to affect your life in any way. But it's not just belligerence on my part. I also don't think it is really worth modifying my behaviour because of what appears to me to be a very low risk. In over 40 years of riding bikes (and countless times leaving them on display) I've had one bike stolen and that was from the hallway of a student flat when I lived in Croydon.

Yes, I could take a bit of extra time to put the bike in the car and a bit more time to clean the resultant mess from the car. It's not a huge effort. But over the years all those little extra bits of time add up to a decent chunk of time and you know what, you don't get that time back! That's time taken from your allotted span that you could spend doing something else.

I'm not advocating leaving biked unlocked in the middle of the street all the time. But I'm not going to criticise somebody who fancied popping into a pub for a pint and left their bike locked on a roof rack either.

It's not that I don't understand your opinion, I think we just must both differ on priorities. It could be that due to my bike being insured for just over £5000 that makes me feel stronger about it.

I guess the equivalent of you not wanting to waste time, is the same as me not wanting to waste the money.

My overall point would still stand, that something as simple as sitting next to a window seat could and should prevent what seems to becoming a more and more likely event of scumbags thieving.

I may just be more cynical and world weary than you, but I opt for the 'if it isn't nailed down, it'll probably go missing. And even if it is nailed down, it still very well might' approach. The bike goes safely inside the car every time. Just shove a big ground sheet down in there! Ultimately I can live with a muddy boot, if it means staying in possession of my bike

i'm with binners on this. i've worked too damn hard and made a few sacrifices along the way to get the bikes i currently own.
i used to work on a bike recycling project a few years back where we would get bikes donated to us by the police. a great deal of these bikes were stolen bikes which never got reclaimed. TBH a lot of them were the nasty supermarket specials, but we would get disadvantaged kids to fix them up and keep them. the officer i used to deal with would always advise me that sometimes in order to prevent your stuff being nicked you have to get inside the head of the thief i.e. think like a thief and ask yourself - if i was going to nick that how would i do it?

Sorry to hear of your loss. I know how gutting it can be having your bike pinched. Although we're in South Yorks/N.Derbys area, we get about a bit, so will keep an eye open for the bike.

I've read the comments on roof bars vs inside cars with interest, and just wanted to make people aware that even bikes covered up and hidden in the backs of cars/vans aren't necessarily safe from theft. We had two bikes stolen from the back of our van type people carrier a couple of weeks ago [url] http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/stolen-specialized-camber-29er-and-salsa-horsethief [/url]

The bikes were locked to an internal bike carrier that's bolted to the boot floor, and they were completely covered in matt black sheeting. The car had deadlocks and was parked on our drive, reversed against a garage door to stop the tailgate being opened. Basically, the bikes were so well covered and hidden, that unless you'd seen the bikes being loaded, you wouldn't know they were in there unless you stuck your face about a foot from the front side windows.

The scumbags that pinched the bikes had had to dismantle them to get them out of the front doors of the vehicle. There was nothing to suggest that they damaged the bikes getting them out - although they trashed the car!! According to the police, there's a professional gang on the go targetting high value bikes. We strongly suspect that we were spotted loading the bikes at a popular trail head, then followed home (possibly by two cars doing a relay system).

So, I guess what I'm saying is, even if you hide the bikes from view, be careful that no s**ts are watching you load up - and keep an eye open for anyone tailing you home.

p.s. chatting to the woman that handled our car insurance claim, and she said that her OH had had his DH bike stolen in almost exact same 'tailed home' circumstances, returning from S.Wales trail centre.

I think there's a big difference between professionals like that. I've had motor bikes nicked that the police say were definitely stolen-to-order by a professional gang. There's nowt you can really do. If they really want it, they'll have it. Its as simple as that!

But what we're talking about here is making it as hard as possible for the casual opportunist. I don't mean to be critical of anyone, but IMHO leaving a couple of grands worth of your stuff on public display by the side of the road, which (one way or another) can be whipped away in a matter of seconds, is absolute insanity!!

No, it isn't "absolute insanity". You simply have to weigh up the risk with the inconvenience of mitigating that risk. As somebody pointed out earlier it often just comes down to how much you value your money vs your time. I'd argue that most people worry too much about the risk and don't put enough value on the time "wasted" or opportunities lost in mitigating those risks.

Reading a site like this you may well think that bikes theft is common and therefore that you'd be daft to let your bike out of your site. But personally I'd say that one stolen bike in 40 years is not a high enough risk for me to turn down a drink in a pub. Of course, if my bike does then go missing I'll have to put up with people telling me that "I was asking for it", but actually I was just using my own experience to make a judgement of the risk.

Fair enough. Different priorities I suppose. And unfortunately, very different experiences of theft 🙁

In the grand scheme of things I can think of far bigger wastes of my time than the 2 minutes it takes to whip the wheels off and chuck my bike in the boot.

Thing is tho with the "money vs time" thing - in the short term you save time by popping into the pub, sitting down without faffing around for a window seat or having to dismantle your bike.

You then spend 6 weeks of your time on the phone to your insurance agency to get some money back to buy another bike.

False economy if I've ever heard one.

Again it comes down to the false sense of security provided by roof racks. I bet the same person (And roverpig) wouldn't ever just lean their bike up against a fencepost and pop in. THAT is absolute insanity if its anything other than a £15 pub bike found in a skip.

Effectively, by leaving you bike on a rack, it's exactly the same as leaving it lent against a fence. + 8 seconds and a flatheaded screwdrier.

It could be worse, in the hills around turin we have groups of romanians hijacking bikes out on the trails.

It could be worse, in the hills around turin we have groups of romanians hijacking bikes out on the trails.

(allegedly the same gang that are now targetting bikes in the area 😯 )

I don't reckon any one would leave a £20 note on the drivers seat of a locked car, but some people are happy leave a 2k bike on top of it!! I'm not gonna say they're asking for it cos people shouldn't take other peoples stuff, but unfortunately they do, so you have to think about.

If you have so much money that loosing you bike doesn't matter then fair enough, but i don't so mine goes in the car.

I've got every sympathy for folks who have their bikes stolen, but I would never leave a bike unattended on a bike carrier, asking for trouble or not, common sense surely dictates you keep it in line of sight.
Im fanatical enough locking bikes up in my locked and alarmed garage, never mind the bike carrier!!

things happen, for the record my bike, when i am transporting it, is in my little saxo.... front wheel off

maybe a better design of roof carrier is needed? that or a claymoore?

Two lads tried taking my bike off of me. That was England. It happens everywhere nevermind Turin.

I don't reckon any one would leave a £20 note on the drivers seat of a locked car, but some people are happy leave a 2k bike on top of it!! I'm not gonna say they're asking for it cos people shouldn't take other peoples stuff, but unfortunately they do, so you have to think about.

If you have so much money that loosing you bike doesn't matter then fair enough, but i don't so mine goes in the car.

pretty much spot on there...
not that i'm criticising any roof rack users or any victims of theft but sometimes we only become more wary after the fact....a case of "once bitten twice shy"....

I'm a bit late to this thread, but want to comment because I had two bikes nicked from the aforementioned Thule proride 951 racks.
It was 2 weeks ago in Keswick.

Firstly, some of us don't have vans or cars big enough to get bikes inside.
Secondly, if you are on a weekend away "going straight home" is not an option.

Sometimes bikes need to be left locked on a roofrack. I think making sure you have good insurance cover, registering on the bike Register www.bikeregister.com and backing up the Thule system with a good chain or D-lock is all that can be done.