[Closed] On-One Space Chicken

I like that

I like the look of it too. On one's prices seem a bit, well, normal at the moment. If it was cheaper I would be tempted. I've always been put off buying anything from them due to the number of horror stories I've read on here and elsewhere.

Planet X had a price promise throughout February....SALE tomorrow!

Looks cool, although the XLA is more my price range!

That's pretty handsome, I'm a sucker for a skinwall.

There's something about that fact they've [s]put[/s] bought an off the shelf frame with stealth dropper routing on there that means [s]business[/s] they got lucky.

🙂

Is that definitely what they do, just buy bog standard frames and slap decals on them as opposed to designing their own? I've heard it mentioned a few times now. Puts me off them even more if that's the case.

Is that definitely what they do, just buy bog standard frames and slap decals on them as opposed to designing their own? I've heard it mentioned a few times now. Puts me off them even more if that's the case.

6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

Some of their frames are their own designs but to save costs they don't retain the rights to the moulds, so they come up in other places too.

Some of their frames are completely their own.

Some are just open mould frames. Whether they do any work on the layup or other factors in the design is speculation.

Skinwalls make any bike look better.

Some of their stuff is / was off the shelf, weren't they selling exactly the same frame as one of the pro brands that won something back in the day?

Some of their stuff is tweaked off the shelf, eg same front end but different rear.

Some of their stuff is 100% their own.

looks like an Open UP to me.

Other than the chainstays, seat stays, seat tube, yeah it looks like and Open Up

Other than the chainstays, seat stays, seat tube, yeah it looks like and Open Up

And the fact that it's 1x only.
Belies all the versatility marketing bullshit- it's just a toy really..

And the fact that it's 1x only.
Belies all the versatility marketing bullshit- it's just a toy really..

I've been tempted by it too, not at its current price though.

If it is just an off the peg catalogue frame with a new paintjob, anyone know a chinese site that is selling something similar?

mmm I like that but £2k for a full bike and £1k for a frame, they're having a laugh.

Gary_M - Member

mmm I like that but £2k for a full bike and £1k for a frame, they're having a laugh.

If you were just browsing for an adventure bike, you might well think that looks like the best value 2k bike. Maybe

Space Chicken? Is it really called Space Chicken?

That's even worse than that Bish Bash Bosh nonsense....

It actually looks quite nice (without those ridiculous skinwall tyres), but it's like they are having a massive piss-take with the names....

Other than the chainstays, seat stays, seat tube, yeah it looks like and Open Up

It's a far less refined version of but if you can't see what they have been inspired by (copied?) you're kidding yourself.

Some of their stuff is / was off the shelf, weren't they selling exactly the same frame as one of the pro brands that won something back in the day?

Wasn't their original TT bike used by TDF teams when their sponsors didn't do TT bikes?

It's a far less refined version of but if you can't see what they have been inspired by (copied?) you're kidding yourself.

Hetchins circa 1950?

1x - check
wibbly chainstays - check

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Looks identical to the one edge sports are doing:

https://twitter.com/edgesportsukllp/status/835546719135858688

Obviously a very close relative but it doesn't have the second hose/dropper routing so not [i]quite[/i] identical

I like it, but not £2K like it.

Space Chicken? Is it really called Space Chicken?

I like the name. Much better than the boring, car like names most bikes get given. I probably wouldn't have looked at this thread if not for the name. Each to their own though.

I like it, but not £2K like it.

+1

£599 for the frame, id take one

Space Chicken? Is it really called Space Chicken?

Someone at On One is presumably a fan of Bleak Expectations.

If they popped a half decent looking steel frame on it and charged £1200, or perhaps a Ti frame at £1600, I'd have one.

[quote=slowster ]Someone at On One is presumably a fan of Bleak Expectations.
Apt

Would quite like that when it gets discounted. No point buying it now though.

It's funny. I've been looking around at other bikes and this is actually very competitive, but for anyone that's had email alerts for the past couple of years, on-one have made their pricing such a joke that you already see it as a £1500-1600 bike.

Anyway - as this is a pre-order, I can't see it being included in the easter discounts, but I'll be keeping an eye out either way.

stumpy01 - Member
Space Chicken? Is it really called Space Chicken? ... but it's like they are having a massive piss-take with the names....

daft names and on-one go back to the dawn of time.

(iirc, their first frame was called 'the gimp', about 18 years ago...?)

I've seriously considered droppers on a CX bike for General Peaks exploring before now, even given thought to where I'd put the remote...

Bravo for doing this I think. Otoh, it's too much money right now. Maybe in a few months when it's £800 less...

even given thought to where I'd put the remote...

this is almost the same price:

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https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road/inflite/inflite-al-slx-9-0-pro-race.html

as is this:

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https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road/endurace/endurace-cf-sl-disc-9-0.html

And the prettiest of all, the aluminium/carbon ultegra hydro disc endurance:

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A few Space Chicken facts.

We were well into this design before the One-up appeared. It's Dave's personal baby, his bike for the riding he does, so it doesn't have to make sense. We aren't making large numbers of them, the frame is expensive to produce so I wouldn't hold your breath for price miracles.

It's a real hoot to ride especially as moustached 650.

I'm liking it - threaded BB a bonus.
If I hadn't ordered a Bokeh frame, I'd be v. interested.

We aren't making large numbers of them, the frame is expensive to produce so I wouldn't hold your breath for price miracles.

"lots in stock" - i can add 99 to my basket (medium, anthracite)

with the fish bash bosh medium, lemon and lime "lots in stock" i can only add 28 to my basket

so either the stock thing is wrong for just the space chicken, or there is a shit tonne of stock and discounts will be imminent......

There aint 100 available in total, it's just a site bug

get on with discounting it before i buy something else 😆

There's always the Edge Sports one that looks the same if you don't mind blue. They also seem to have a Rango frame too.

not on the website?

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https://www.edge-design.com.tw/Road.html

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....and so on.

Thought you meant these guys

http://www.edgesportsuk.com/store/

'Space Chicken'??????

Colour schemes and names by primary school kids, no bike company boils my piss more than brand whoring On-One /PlanetX

http://www.planetx.co.uk/news/products/q/date/2017/01/25/on-one-space-chicken-monster-gravel-bike

'Dave the boss loves an auction'....... Especially in a Chinese frame factory. 😀

We were well into this design before the One-up appeared. It's Dave's personal baby, his bike for the riding he does, so it doesn't have to make sense. We aren't making large numbers of them, the frame is expensive to produce so I wouldn't hold your breath for price miracles.

Run that by the 'design' bit again?

We were well into the [s]design[/s] [b]paint selection[/b] before the One-up appeared.

Fixed it.

Seems like alibaba are selling them for $400-$600?

There aint 100 available in total, it's just a site bug

26 medium and 27 large then, no sales yet? been the same for a couple of weeks since i said there was 100 off each

no discount yet?

Give it a few months and they will be knocking them out cheap to get rid of them to make way for another badly named catalogue bike with a dodgy paint job.

Still a grand for the frame and fork. Is it definitely the same frame as those outlined above? Seems like a bit of a crap thing to do if it is. I've heard all the stories, but never actually bought anything from On One. It just seems a bit dishonest if that's what they are actually doing.

Mr naive here expecting anything more from a company 😐

Oh dear! On One's head of propaganda comes on here and lies...gets caught out.. 😳

funkmasterp - Member
Still a grand for the frame and fork. Is it definitely the same frame as those outlined above? Seems like a bit of a crap thing to do if it is.

I'm not exactly an On-One apologist, their website and hyperbole drives me nuts so I don't shop there very often anymore (although I do have an Inbred hooked up to a FollowMe Tandem), but what are you expecting from a retailer?

The costs below are absolute guesses, I'm not in the cycle trade, but I reckon they'll be pretty close. Lets say they buy the frame for £450 including shipping (nett of import tax which I'm pretty sure will be recovered as input VAT).

Selling at £999

[b]Deductions and allowances per unit[/b]
Output VAT £167
Warehousing and staff processing costs £30
Warranties and returns write downs £50
Marketing £100 (allowing for future promos or end of line clearances write downs/write offs)
Cost of frame £450
Delivery to customer £10
[b]Total deductions £807
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So, selling at full retail they'll make £192. Or, at least they will before Corporation Tax, another 20% assuming a year end profit, so £160 profit.

The director then pays himself a dividend, let's say it's about 30% tax - so £123 at the end of it all, for considerable risk and investment. He should open a chippy instead...

None of those catalogue frames are [i]identical[/i] to the on-one, so they've tweaked at least some things.
Chainstay shape
Bottle boss positions (3rd set)
Cable routing (dropper provision)
Paint (which I like).
1x-specific

Although tbh the cable routing looks like it's not designed for UK brake positions, so maybe I'm wrong.

Lets say they buy the frame for £450 including shipping

😆

Yeah, I know. Really I have no idea if it's £250 or £450 cost inc shipping.

The point I was trying to make is it's still a pretty poor return for a warehouse full of risk. The tone of the thread in parts was somehow it was all a bit underhand - I just don't see that (hyperbole aside).

Considering somebody from On One has posted at the top of this page speaking about the design of the frame I'm sticking by my comment. Don't claim to have designed something if that's not actually the case. That would be dishonest in my eyes. I hope I'm wrong though.

On a second view I'll concede that they have [s]tweaked the basic design[/s], selected different options from the catalogue (bottle bosses, extra internal routing, removing front mech) and the colour scheme is lovely.

Bloody good luck to anyone who can make a few bob by buying cheap and selling expensive. I would think less of them not to do so.
Equally bypassing them is a good idea as well if you can.
What would make me buy one over the alternatives is the relative ( :wink:) security. Much easier to go to Rotherham and bang on their desk than go the China. You also know that no one will sting you for import duties etc. I have mixed opinions about PX. Never let me down, indeed been very helpful but obviously some others find different.
As for the bike. I like it. Its not black which is a bonus and who is worried about a name FFS? Not buying one though.

Yeh, there's a few framesets out there that look like the Space Chicken, but none of them are the same. Look a little more closely at those rear triangle clusters, the seat tube and BB junction, the fork, bottle boss mounts, dropper cable routing, lack of any FM mount, mudguard and rack mounts. That's before you look at how they're put together, what carbon is used and the layup schedule. Not forgetting that most of the ones linked on this page use an aero seat tube...

It's an on-spec bike at the right price, they'll start selling soon enough.

Funkmaster, the Space Chicken went through an iterative design process where aspects of the design were considered, altered, evaluated and then included in the production version. That's design...

Couple of hundred quid off. Looking more promising!

@[b]sq225917[/b]

The blurb talks about 29er or 650b wheels and 48mm tyres. The 48 refers to 650b only, presumably. What'll it take in 700c?

Funkmaster, the Space Chicken went through an iterative design process where aspects of the design were considered, altered, evaluated and then included in the production version. That's design...

I'm glad to be wrong then. Good to know it's not just a badged up catalogue model. Thanks for clarifying.

Edit - and I actually like the name 😉

I'm glad to be wrong then. Good to know it's not just a badged up catalogue model. Thanks for clarifying.

Even at a glance you can see its clearly not the same frame as those pictured above.

Its possible it uses stock shape forms in some locations but its not a stock frame available elsewhere (at least at the moment, it might in the future, depends what rights they have over the mould). Once again though youve got PX throwing frames out with little info available, leaving everyone guessing, or (as is their main sales model), buying blind because its cheap.

tempted

Frameset info says takes 38mm in 700c (without mudguards I presume)

Dougal, you are correct 38's.

Stato, what else would you like to know about it? I can try a few more tyre combo's. I'd rather say what rubber fits on what rims than just throw out numbers for max tyre size, as it's so rim specific.

So full bikes down to £1799 and frame down to £699.
Looking better

sq225917 - any pics of the alternate colour? Flame Grilled?

the frame is expensive to produce so I wouldn't hold your breath for price miracles.

Well, I wouldn't have held my breath for 4 weeks admittedly.

But I see the frameset is now 30% off!

They must have spent that time working on an interative production efficiency project with their chosen manufacturer and design partner.

You mean, put stickers on them?

I'm liking the look of the 650b wheeled version. Comedy names aside there's no getting away from its a cracking looking bike.
If they were around 1500ish I'd seriously consider one.
How would this compare to say a white gisburn/friston?
I'm wanting a drop bar do it all bike, but reasonably slack. Had a couple of cx bikes and didn't really get on with them.

I'm wanting a drop bar do it all bike, but reasonably slack

I'm still loving the look of the NS Rag+

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I'm still loving the NS Rag+

ooooh they sold one - medium stock dropped from 26 to 25