[Closed] Oh cr@p what have I done, WARNING fox forks content.

Maybe, just maybe, they are OK? 🙄

Mine are.

If they're good, you're good to go.

If not, back on the 'Bay they go. Accurate description and you may stand to lose a few quid but hey-ho in the big scheme of things...

Brown lowers means they're early ones and as for condition, well, you may need a new upper crown assembly if the stanchions are worn which is possible. Factor in a service on top of that and it'll be costly.

You could do that all yourself but that depends on how good you are that sort of thing!

[b][u]IF[/u][/b] the current owner asked for the free washers from Mojo that go on the lowers to stop folks over-tightening, then it is highly unlikely they are cracked.

If they are not cracked put some HOPE shim washers in! sorted

TBH if they are brown then maybe they are 2007 - and perhaps the uppers and seals are pre Fox upper problems 🙂

If they don't fit the description from the buyer, winge and send them back. If he said they are shite, your a numpty, if he says there in good nick they probably will be ok. What feedback does he have? Fingers crossed. Oh and I have loads of shim washers for the lowers. If they don't have them in, I'll post you a few.

Check the dropouts very carefully before you use them, or ask for closeup pics before paying to make sure they're ok- I assume the seller says there's nothing wrong with them. The pinchbolts on the dropouts can cause them to crack if overtightened (easy to do) - I inadvertently tried to sell a pair with dropout problems, and didn't notice til the potential buyer asked me to check. There is a chance that even if he's being honest he may not have noticed (or checked for) cracks.
They'll be 05- 06 forks probably, 150 travel.

Check the pinch bolts on the lowers, they have a habit of cracking if done up too tight on those, ask if it has the shims fitted to the lower legs

Spesh used brown Talas 36s iirc on some of their bikes not sure of year tho

thanks for the info peeps, I'm going to email the seller and ask him about cracking.

this is the description;

fox talas 36 r forks, some bubbleing to crown,a common problem with fox forks,100-160mm of travel,
overall in good working order,usual paint chips nothing majior stantions are smooth,

and this is my email;

Hi, before I send payment I just wanted to confirm a couple of
things, you described the stantions as smooth, that to me means
there are no scratches or chips or any other damage to the
coating. You also describe the condition of the rest of the fork
(other than the crown which I accept) as just a few paint chips,
one common fault on this model of fork is cracking around the
pinch bolts if shims have not been fitted and the bolts have been
over tightened, can you confirm that there are no cracks at all on
the forks?

If you cannot confirm any of these things then let me know and
we can come to some arrangement regarding eBay fees and then
you can make a 2nd chance offer to the next nearest bidder.

Many thanks.

does that seem fair?

Not really as you should have asked before bidding imho I'd be a bit hacked off if I were the seller 😉

Iirc the early talas with the brown lowers were 100-150mm

check lowers for cracks at the pinch bolts.

also, remove lowers (very easy job to do) and make sure the stanchions arent worn.

Then make sure the travel adjust works and make sure they have the full 150mm of travel (measure stanchion)

If anything is wrong, send em back.

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2007 model with the 100/130/160 of travel. These are better than the 05/06's

Firestarter, I know what you are saying and yes I should have asked all the questions first, but if the forks are not as described then I would be within my rights to send them back, I'm just trying to save everyone involved the hassle.

You won the auction, they are your forks now. Why are you asking the previous owner questions?

EDIT; Sorry, I'm being harsh (and slow), probably shouldn't post after drinking but you get the idea.

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Timmys: because as I said to firestarter the sale was agreed with the description provided, if they are not as described then for the seller to take my money would be fraud (obtaining money by deception) I'm giving the seller an opportunity to back out with no harm done if he was creative with his description, am I such a bad person?

I'd ask them to change the carpet before you send your cash...

[well, there wasn't a garden to comment on...] 😈

but if the forks are not as described then I would be within my rights to send them back

FFS no you wouldn't necessarily.

if they are not as described then for the seller to take my money would be fraud (obtaining money by deception)

FFS no it's not necessarily.

Ok Cynic-al, you are probably right, I wouldn't be in my [i]rights[/i] to send it back, I'm not sure how the distance selling law applies to eBay sales, but I would certainly be in my rights to file a complaint with eBay and start their resolution proceedings.

But I'm not trying to get out of the sale, if the item is as described then I'll be more than happy.

Not sure why I am the one being attacked if ( and only IF ) the seller has lied in his description?

You are being a total Jessie about it. If ever a thread as not needed...

If they were damaged, yes you could complain. Otherwise pay up.

Sorry, the thread has kind of gone off topic, what I was really asking is what can mojo do within a reasonable cost?

e.g. how much can be repaired/replaced before it's costing more than a new fork?

You won't know til you get them, if they are ok when they arrive then all is well, if not, send em back, simples
Paypal is on your side as a buyer,

I agree with the below it is annoying when someone wins your auction then starts to ask questions.... and you did ask if your letter seemed fair 😉

"Not really as you should have asked before bidding imho I'd be a bit hacked off if I were the seller"

In desperation trying to find a fork for my build I put a big on eBay on a Fox Talas 36 thinking that I'd never get them, but I ended up winning the auction.

How do people get themselves in these situations?

How do people get themselves in these situations?

'Cause they seem to forget that they're bidding to buy, not to get the right to ask questions.

If you're not happy with the description then either don't bid or ask a question before bidding. It's hardly complicated.

Brown forks? - as long as you like 'em I suppose

Whats the Ebay ID number?

I don't think the op's being badly behaved to be fair.
The forks are described as being in good condition- I would take that to mean the stantions are ok, including not being worn inside the legs, and that there are no cracks. If the dropouts were cracked then it could be easy for the seller to argue that the buyer must have fitted the forks and done it, if the forks have been delivered. After auction end is not the ideal time to do it, but better to verify before delivery.

If either the crown assembly or lower legs need replacement then they're getting near the price that you could get a one or 2 year old pair for. I sold a pair of these that needed the lowers replaced for £65- lowers are £130, so that might give you an idea of what I think the forks are worth.

Oh, and they're described as 100-130-160 travel which I think is incorrect- they're 150, so there's a letout there if you really must.

Hora the id seems to be 320552694026

HOOOOOOOOOOOW MUCH!

If you don't want the forks, don't pay and he\she will second offer them (only £4 difference).

You will\might get negative feedback.

You will\might get negative feedback.

nah - can't neg buyers

Just to clarify the situation (for cynic-al's benefit 😉 ), the forks must conform with their description (section 13 Sale of Goods Act 1979). Of course, if the description is silent on an issue and the general description isn't misleading, the buyer must heed the words, caveat emptor.

Right. Firstly I think you've overpaid by quite abit. For a Fox I'd pay something like £170 very max as you need to factor in a service and oil seals from Mojo. I think that'd be over £100 ontop?

I bought a set of almost new Fox 36 floats on here for £330.

The description just seems abit short as well. Personally I'd ask the seller a fair few more questions relating to if the Talas works properly, does the Talas 'creep' back up, when the forks are compressed are there any dirty oil rings? etc etc- you should have asked these!

Be prepared to return the forks and ask for a full refund if not happy or you'll neg him.

Dont feel obliged to take them as they are if all questions arent satisfied. **** ebay- its a gawd-awful thing and you are not 'going against the spirit of ebay'. Why should you end up paying circa £350 for a set of 4/5yr old forks?

Thanks for your input Hora, as for the price that's my tough luck for not researching the market, and I am prepared to pay the price, if they in good working order, which means no talas creep.

The main thing is I wanted a 160mm fork so if they are indeed only 150mm as some people seem to think then they are not at all what is described or what I wanted.

Dont feel obliged to take them as they are if all questions arent satisfied. **** ebay- its a gawd-awful thing and you are not 'going against the spirit of ebay'. Why should you end up paying circa £350 for a set of 4/5yr old forks?

Sorry, you're siding with the OP who bidded this amount without asking the questions first? 😯

I know- no I'm saying damage-limitation really.

Try doing that at a car auction or Southerby's.

If you refused to accept the forks after winning, the seller is well within his rights to pursue you through the small claims court for the money.

Try doing that at a car auction or Southerby's.

When have we become fans of Ebay, the necessary evil? 🙄

When have we become fans of Ebay, the necessary evil

I'm not a fan of Ebay, however, this isn't about Ebay, it's about the OP agreeing to pay x amount for an item then deciding that he hasn't done enough research and backing out.

I'm with the "don't bid unless you absolutely are going to pay" people on this.

If you have second thoughts after you win then tough.

If when you have paid and received the goods and then feel that they aren't as described then you argue it out with the seller/get paypal involved. You don't put the winning bid in and then start asking detailed questions about the item.

With forks, my personal view is don;t buy somethign you know you're going to send straight off for a service - it adds £100 to the cost of the forks...

If you don't like eBay don't use it - simples.

Put yourself in the seller's shoes for a moment.

Sure if the forks are not as described then the buyer has a case through Paypal which they will almost certainly win, but don't bid if you're not sure and you haven't asked the relevant questions first.

Paper Lawyer - Member
Just to clarify the situation (for cynic-al's benefit ), the forks must conform with their description (section 13 Sale of Goods Act 1979).

overall in good working order,usual paint chips nothing majior stantions are smooth

Pay by Paypal. The above short description says to me there shouldnt be anything wrong at all with the stanchions and 'overall in good working order' means they dont need an immediate overhaul.

Saying that- who would do this? PITA because you know you'll have to return them. Might as well just cut to the chase and back out. Save everyone time.

I've bought THREE noddy forks off this forum before- two were sent back and one had money knocked off. If the sellers had been abit more honest It'd have saved me and them time. Its what the seller holds back from you thats the problem.

Hora, that's exactly what I'm trying to do, I'm glad you understand me. 😀

I'm happy to pay the winning price if I can slap them on my bike head off down the nearest hill and not have them explode half way down!

[i]that's exactly what I'm trying to do, I'm glad you understand me[/i]

but what you seem to not grasp is that everyone else is saying you need to make that decision/ask those questions before you win them, not afterwards.

Might as well just cut to the chase and back out. Save everyone time.

...Apart from the seller who the OP could have asked before bidding and will need to relist/second chance the forks.

Is it just me, but they're a pair of 36's - and look in good condition. Have I missed the issue?

b r's taken a step-back/perspective. Yes you are right- we are assuming they are tired/worn.

Try doing that at a car auction or Southerby's.

I believe you have an hour to inspect [& reject] your buy after the hammer falls at car auctions

Why are you assuming there's something wrong with them?

It says good condition. If the stanchions are worn or pinch bolts cracked then the fork is not in good condition and you can send it back.

If you're just trying to back out because you think you've overpaid then be honest about it with the seller and let him offer the next bidder - with you paying the difference.

Also, the seller has the same carpet as is in my living room.

Wonder if my wife is dealing s/h bike parts on the sly.

chakaping: I'm not trying to back out because I think I've over paid, I'm trying to avoid the time/cost/hassle of sending them back (which I don't think I can actually do all I can do is raise a claim under paypal buyer protection) if they are not as described.

My email to the seller is giving them an opportunity to examine the forks and his description and say "actually I have missed out of the description that the forks are cracked and stantions damaged, so lets just withdraw the sale"

You won the auction, they are your forks now,+1.remind me never to sell u anything 😯

Isn't this a new level of neurosis even for STW?

'What do I do if the forks I haven't got yet are broken even though they are probably fine?'

Why do you think they will not be as described? Does he have decent feedback?

😕

Should've got Lyriks any way, particularly buying 2nd hand.

Bought some reba's really cheap from ebay. The steerer was really short so knew they would go fairly cheaply. They didn't turn properly, like the steerer was bent somewhere, it didn't look bent. Thought I could live with that. So took them apart and the stanchions were quite bably corroded. There was no oil inside at all. Anyway got my money back. Worth the risk as they were only about £50.

Should've got Lyriks any way, particularly buying 2nd hand.

Never again.

All this fuss / paranoia about fox forks is getting way out of hand.

Remember the thread where the OP posted that fox forks were not fit for purpose and asked for people to back him up with their own failures? It ended up the majority who posted were defending the forks rather than backing him up.
Typical of the STW lynch mob to take the opposing view to the OP.

Typical of the STW lynch mob to take the opposing view to the OP.

Point is he's bought a set of forks and he's worried that they won't match the description - fair enough email the seller with specific queries but no need for a thread on here.

Where am i saying ANYTHING in relation the OP al?

This is getting silly now
If he says they are ok and they are not, send them back
If you want to back out cos they were too expensive, hold your hands up and say you cocked up and pay the difference on the second bidders price
I'd be proper peed off if I was the seller with all this messing
if buying secondhand bothers you that much buy new ones with a warrenty

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I actually find this thread quite interesting, as a people watching experiment, to see different peoples take on things.

My original post was to gauge the costs of various things like;

new seals £x
Full service by Mojo/TFTuned £y
New crown and stantions £z00
etc.

I've not heard back from the seller so I don't know if that is good/bad or indifferent.

But I agree that this thread has kind of run its course (unless someone actually has the costs I am interested in).

Can a thread be closed?

Any second hand purchase is a gamble that you wont know you've won til you get it in your hands

seals and service are on the mojo & tftuned website. CSA for my 32's was £130 in round numbers. MOre expensive for the 36's - I think they are towards £200. mojo are pretty helpful on the phone.

You won the auction, they are your forks now,+1.remind me never to sell u anything

Pitduck I have a 16" 456 frame you can have for £100 it's mint condition.

actually its a chopped up saracen frame rusting in my garden but you don't seem to mind if sales descriptions are not accurate?

The trouble is you dont know what state the forks are in until you actually have them and can inspect them.
With the best will in the world, it doesnt matter how honest (or not) a seller is, you wont know until you take them apart.
Worst case scenario you find the lowers are cracked and the stanchions are worn, in which case they're only fit for the bin. Then you get back to the seller and raise a dispute.
Best scenario they are fine with no cracking or stanchion wear. Result, be happy.
Hopefully they'll be fine and you'll have got away with it. Lessons learnt etc etc.
Im sure they will be fine, from the pics they look in good nick and looked after ok.

bigyinn - Member
Where am i saying ANYTHING in relation the OP al?

All this fuss / paranoia about fox forks is getting way out of hand.

I don't think its paranoia. Any Fox fork thats owned for a number of years will show signs of wear and tear.

If I owned any of my forks past 6months they'd definitely show signs of wear and tear let alone 4yrs. If I owned a set of Rockshox's for more than 4 weeks they'd [u]FAIL[/u].

If I owned a set of Rockshox's for more than 4 weeks they'd FAIL.

Its the forks choice.

cynic-al - Member

bigyinn - Member
Where am i saying ANYTHING in relation the OP al?

All this fuss / paranoia about fox forks is getting way out of hand.

UPDATE -

Terribly, the seller had a serious accident and was unable to ship the forks so they have chosen to cancel the sale and refund my money, so I'll never know what condition they were.

Oh well back on the search again, this time with a little more knowledge and restraint.

maybe they read this thread and couldn't face the lynching? If not I hope they're recovering...