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Also free members could make his activities private in retaliation!
That's a good point. And yes, if all I'm getting is distance and elevation, then that isn't even retaliation, it's the next logical step.
That’s a good point. And yes, if all I’m getting is distance and elevation, then that isn’t even retaliation, it’s the next logical step.
I wouldn't be surprised if they take away the privacy option for Lamprey members tbh. As a subscriber, I'll maybe raise this with them. 🙂
Edit - Speaking purely as a STW Lamprey....
Is it just me, or has the privacy zone gone if others have created them?
Just doing my usual quick scan of where others are riding, I swear there are a number of users where I'm seeing their rides start and finish from the same point (usually home), rather than seeing a small gap between their start and finish points.
The only thing I'm going to miss is the personal historic segment comparisons...but I have a radical solution, I shall star the segments I'm bothered with (to see if I'm getting faster..or need to 'train' some more) - I shall buy a notebook and keep it by my computer and keep a log, you know with an old fashioned pencil and all...the notebook may cost £4 but it'll last for many years - If I summon up both of my powers I may even be able to plot a graph.
Tbh, reading Strava's email statement really grates. Its as if they think the only reason we ride is for some sort of community recognition for our 'achievements'...No Strava, we've been enjoying riding our bikes for many decades before your social meeja reciprocal confirmation tool was even an electron itch at the base of your data-mining server.
Lamprey members
Lamprey? I hand over a huge amount of useful data to Strava that they could be monetising.
Speaking purely as a STW Lamprey
So is this forum a surfeit of lampreys?
Using a web browser (not the app); Go to your settings (drop down menu top right with your picture) > my account > Download or Delete Your Account (Get Started) > Select option 2
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So is this forum a surfeit of lampreys?
Is Singletrack Towers the court of Henry VIII? Hopefully Hannah isn't Anne Boleyn in this scenario.
n0b0dy0ftheg0at
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Is it just me, or has the privacy zone gone if others have created them?Just doing my usual quick scan of where others are riding, I swear there are a number of users where I’m seeing their rides start and finish from the same point (usually home), rather than seeing a small gap between their start and finish points.
So are you suggesting that if I have privacy settings set up (as I do) but don't subscribe those settings are not enacted? I'm sure the ICO would be interested in that if the case.
Is Singletrack Towers the court of Henry VIII?
Henry I shirley?
Its a shame to lose my results comparison
but I dont pay for it so , cant really complain
I just use it to see how much ive cycled each month
perhaps they could give us the old free functionalities but with a micropayment of say £1 a month?
Id probably pay that, not sure if it would be enough tho
Henry I shirley?
That's me taking the Strava approach to historical data. 🙂
perhaps they could give us the old free functionalities but with a micropayment of say £1 a month?
Id probably pay that, not sure if it would be enough tho
They have 55m users and around 2.5% subscribed. So around £6-7M/month income. They only need to convert 10-15% of non subscribers to the £1 to double their gross income. I suspect they'd do much better than that TBH.
n0b0dy0ftheg0at
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Is it just me, or has the privacy zone gone if others have created them?Just doing my usual quick scan of where others are riding, I swear there are a number of users where I’m seeing their rides start and finish from the same point (usually home), rather than seeing a small gap between their start and finish points.
So are you suggesting that if I have privacy settings set up (as I do) but don’t subscribe those settings are not enacted? I’m sure the ICO would be interested in that if the case.
Like I wrote, I'm not sure if privacy zones are being observed.
Where does the ride start from your prospective?
a St Johns Ambulance station.
@Pyro @dangeourbrain Thanks, so my privacy setting is working!
Maybe it's my imagination then, but I swear for the few people I follow, at a very casual look it seemed in recent weeks that their privacy zone had vanished... Maybe they simply got out of the habit of starting and ending their rides a short distance from home.
Where does the ride start from your prospective?
Dean Road, just north of the junction with Haynes Road
perhaps they could give us the old free functionalities but with a micropayment of say £1 a month?
Would actually be better if each function can be subscribed to and the overall price is just a combination of which feature you switch on/off
For example I use segments times, but I don't use route planning.
Can't see them bothering to do that though as would be harder to implement, regression test etc,.
For example I use segments times, but I don’t use route planning.
Aye, I'm sure if ye go to sky, tell them you don't watch football, they'll reduce your fee accordingly, and Netflix, tell em ye avoid romcoms, they'll maybe even refund you! 🙂
Genuine question, why do folk bother with Strava for counting mileage? Endomundo is far better for having a quick look at your totals I've always found.
I've always thought of Strava as the one to use if you fancy some virtual racing that's actually out side, kinda like a time trial against others at a time that suits you.
Genuine question, why do folk bother with Strava for counting mileage? Endomundo is far better for having a quick look at your totals I’ve always found.
Because strava does my cycling and my running, manages my gear such as bike mileages and more importantly running shoe mileage. I don't know anyone who uses endomondo tbh.
But if you're just counting mileage it shouldn't matter who you know that uses Endomundo.
Good point about Strava and your gear mileage though, Endo doesn't do that, but you've always been able to count up separate activities.
I use both, Endo for free and paid up Strava, I still find Endo easier to see my totals of all sports or individually at a glance.
Just got the free trial . The daily record of people on a segment is not there.
That was more relevant than anything as with the year timing you could be comparing a really mud time to a bone dry, non overgrown time.
Give me the daily stats and I'll subscribe ,otherwise I'm out.
Or am I wrong?
why?
Because I've used it for every ride and run since 2013/14, and everything is already there. I like to look at my total durations and distances over that time period. I've saved each activity as the correct sport, identifying which bike I used on any given ride. It shows me who I rode with. It is almost a diary and I don't want to change the way I use it.
I rode a segment relatively local to me last week, thought 'oh, I haven't been down there for a while' checked Strava and it appears I last went that way in September 2016, nice little ride that was in 2016, judging by the title Bob had a funny OTB, I remember it well in fact we still sometimes laugh about it but didn't realise it was that long ago, had a couple of other mates with me that I haven't seen for a few months, maybe I should see how they are doing, ah I added a photo of the mid ride pub stop, weather was great, looking forward to that pub being back open and sitting in the beer garden.
It is a diary. Other tools may also do similar, but I'm happy sticking with it for now. Given the use and enjoyment I've had from the free version over the years I'm going to pay for a couple of years and see it if or my use of it changes.
But if you’re just counting mileage it shouldn’t matter who you know that uses Endomundo.
Not really got across what I meant, sorry. Because no one I know uses it, I'd never really heard of it until recently, so that's whay I never used it.
Otherwise, peekay gets across some other good points about Strava tbh.
Ok, I guess it's whatever you used all those years ago to begin with? Fair enough.
I started using Endomundo in late 2010 resisted Strava until 2012. I suppose I've always used Endo for the totals and Strava was far better at the competitive features like the segments.
Used to use Endomondo, pre-Strava. Wouldn't consider it again because getting my bloody data back out of it was a nightmare - needed to use some crazy browser scraping to extract my old rides.
Whatever else we might think about Strava, they at least have a sensible and easy to use data extract tool for if you want to leave and take your data with you.
Looks like you can't use the Route Creator if you aren't a subscriber now.
Genuine question, why do folk bother with Strava for counting mileage?
I used it to log mileage along with checking on segment performance, KOMs etc,. If it never had the extra features I may not have used it to just log my mileage. May as well keep using it for that and hope that their business model doesn't quite work out and the free subscribers disappear and they lose they audience that could convert to subscription so trying lure free users back.
Used to use Endomondo
I tried it today as my Tom tom watch talks to it. Distance and climbing are way off.
About 40% down on distance and 50 to 60 on the height gain.
I half take it back - I'd changed to metric in the app and it was showing metric units but still imperial distance. Logging in on the website has fixed that.
Height gain still significantly adrift though.
There'll be a few folk waking up to some KOMs tomorrow. I've just marked all my Activities as Private, so I'll be off all of the leaderboards now.
In addition to Strava stalking I'm particularly passionate about FlyBys and can't quite believe that it's still free. It's very good for drawing big cocks on a return journey after an especially popular ride like the London to Brighton or the Dunwich Dynamo when you know there'll be loads of people recounting their rides on FlyBys and wondering what that massive cock-shaped ride is amongst all these moving avatars.
I'm feeling pretty indifferent to it. There's better free options for performance analysis. It's the social thing really, and I like documenting with photos when I have time. I've mixed feelings about kudos, sometimes it's just click click yep click click oh whatever click, just for the sake of it. Other times it can be a small motivator. There's people who kudos every single ride following hundreds how much time to they spend ku-dossing? Strange. Local riding clubs dominated by kudos-seekers from the other side of the globe can make the groups meaningless. I don't have a problem with them charging for the service they provide at all. They're a business after all. Stalking others to compare segment times and see if they've discovered off road riding I haven't is also a good part of it.
there’ll be loads of people recounting their rides on FlyBys and wondering what that massive cock-shaped ride is amongst all these moving avatars.
Maybe that's why I never got fly bys. I don't think I've ever been on a ride and not been well aware of who in the group is a massive cock.
There’ll be a few folk waking up to some KOMs tomorrow. I’ve just marked all my Activities as Private, so I’ll be off all of the leaderboards now.
Humblebrag!! 😁😁😁
Wow.... there's pretty much no more anything really is there. Weekly data, KOM, following, segments... all done and gone.
I can still see my monthly stats which is pretty much all i need. But they've really gone all out here to enforce it, you either pay up, or you get the best part of sod all.
Yeah - it does show how much we were getting for free. At least you can still see your segment time compared to your best effort.
Is there going to be an even more expensive version coming along that has everything we want?
If you’re already paying £50 it’s not much more to pay £65
On the plus side, updates on VeloViewer are now faster as it doesn’t check segment positions 🙂
...as I say I like strava and might subscribe. But, for many of us it is the segments that make strava, this is what other platforms don't have, and it's the users over the years who made the segments with their funny names/contested names and, frankly, wrong names (that's not what it's called!), leaderboard battles, memories of when the TdF rolled through and swept koms away etc.
I mean I could over do this, but this is user created content in a similar way to a climbing guidebook, with all the iconic route names and history. The users created it on the strava platform and strava are now monetising this content.
I'd probably do similar and with an attempt at a straight face say I was doing it for the wonderful community of athletes (yeah right), but wouldn't expect people to be pleased if I was taking something they'd made away from them.
Have done a couple of rides/walks since the changes.
I'm pretty happy with what is in the free version - I can see if I got a PR on a section, post a pic, see my distances/time/calories, look at my friends' rides and pictures.
Never really bothered with the routes thing before (didn't find it good for mountain biking - would rather download a GPX off a website and load it on my Garmin) and while I liked seeing where I was on a section in percentage terms (top 20% / bottom 20% etc), I wouldn't pay for that.
There’ll be a few folk waking up to some KOMs tomorrow. I’ve just marked all my Activities as Private, so I’ll be off all of the leaderboards now.
Did you ever ride through Dundas estate? I (almost literally) strolled into an 8th place last night, still digesting a big dinner, not even trying hard, road turned to gravel for a long section and I was on the 'good' road bike etc.
Will add it to my collection of 'results' attained on extremely obscure segments...
noticing a few odd changes e.g. how it displays your previous results on a segment, and also two or three new segments seem to have popped up, not sure if segments that used to be private have been flushed out? Also have all non-subscribers been removed from historic leaderboards?
. The users created it on the strava platform and strava are now monetising this content.
Yeah but the people at Strava actually created the platform in the first place. It’s like saying what makes a pub is the atmosphere so how dare the landlord charge for beer.
for many of us it is the segments that make strava, this is what other platforms don’t have,
Garmin Connect does, as does Trailforks (and is better focused to mtb plus has management of segments, dealing with sensitive tasks etc).
It's users that make it. Strava has a huge amount. Garmin, while loads use the devices, few bother with Garmin Connect particularly creating segments and adding friends, but it's all there. Trailforks has ride tracking and can sync from other services, and obviously the segments from the trails on there. Very few user it. Though their site needs a lot of work.
Well, i'm in....signed up and paid up.
for many of us it is the segments that make strava, this is what other platforms don’t have,
I'll be creating a few in Connect, just to measure my own performance. Other folk will no doubt ride most of them. C'est la vie.
Did you ever ride through Dundas estate? I (almost literally) strolled into an 8th place last night, still digesting a big dinner, not even trying hard, road turned to gravel for a long section and I was on the ‘good’ road bike etc.
Will add it to my collection of ‘results’ attained on extremely obscure segments…
What are you trying to say? 😉
Will add it to my collection of ‘results’ attained on extremely obscure segments…
Sadly, round West Yorkshire there are relatively few "easy" KOMs, especially on tarmac:
"Oooh, maybe I'll have a go at East Chevin Road - let's see who's got the KOM on there."
"Oh, it's Greg Van Avermaet."
*opens a packet of crisps instead*
(That said, there are a few gravel bits where you can have a go, assuming Tom Pidcock's not been down it yet!)
Will I get a notification from Strava if I inherit a KOM from private scotroutes? 😆
The new route builder has several elevation data changes in my favourite riding area, meaning I've got a handful of new cat4 segments to ride and then create. :nerd:
Well, i’m in….signed up and paid up.
You do realise there's a 60 day free trial before you need to give them any money?
Don't know, don't care either way mate. I've used it for 15 years without cost, if it starts today or in 60 days its all fair game.
But your 15 year free trial isn't enough, you could have had 2 more months to decide if you like it.
I'm not sure when it starts, i just clicked through and set it to charge via PPal monthly... Anyway, it all works nicely.
If you've been using it for 15 years, then you are basically founder/CEO, so charging you seems harsh. 🙂
If you’ve been using it for 15 years, then you are basically founder/CEO, so charging you seems harsh
Well i moved to my village in 2007 when i got married and was using it then, so 13 years.... i wouldn't like to say 100% i was using it before that, but i think so...
Wikipedia suggests it was founded and first released in 2009, so your memory is incorrect by quite a few years.
Well i moved to my village in 2007 when i got married and was using it then, so 13 years…. i wouldn’t like to say 100% i was using it before that, but i think so…
I wondered why you had all the KOMs at launch.
seems so.
But I’m still actually a bit fuzzy on what you pay now…
I thought I’d take a look and see how the cost/benefits stack up these days, but I’m buggered if I can work it out looking at the desktop site, there’s a link to the “founders” open begging letter, there’s a comparison list of features for free vs sub so I sort of have an idea what you get and right down the bottom it says “Free 60day trial then $5 a month* (if you pay annually)”…Well firstly what is it in GBP? Because frankly I don’t trust Yanks to do honest currency conversions.
And what is it if I choose to pay monthly? Because quite honestly I might not want to give them £80 effing quid again for a full twelve months access to all the useless bells and whistles…People keep saying £1 a week, is that the actual price or just a guestimate?
What page are you looking at?
This page is a pretty clear summary of subscriber features and pricing in GBP, weird if you are not seeing it in £, are you on a vpn?
Then when you click to the next page it gives you the choice to pay annually, at equivalent to £4/month, or monthly for £6.99.
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Fastest ever commute to work this morning, in nearly 6 years of doing that route. Love Strava! 😄
I succumbed very easily, told mrs she should get it as with her doing much longer rides solo beacon would make me feel better. She said what about you, I said I didnt need it as I dont worry about me! Anyway we both subscribed...
Did a pb up Killer Hill too without really trying so glad I did 😁😁😁
I currently pay $6.00 USD a month for my Strava. Are they putting the price up to £6.99 then?
I currently pay $6.00 USD a month for my Strava. Are they putting the price up to £6.99 then?
No! As the above screenshot shows, it's £48/pa so £4/month if you pay annually OR £6.99 per month if you pay monthly.
Just lately I've been getting really annoyed with people on the trails, which are currently running super nice, getting in the way of me besting my segment times. On reflection, this is the sort of stress I don't think I need in my life right now !! For that reason I'm going to resist and see if I can just enjoy my riding for what it is, and just use the basic logging functionality.
I'm not super opposed to paying though,and it doesn't seem too bad a cost, so if I miss it too much I will probably cough up.
But I don’t pay annually. I pay monthly and what I pay doesn’t equate to either the £4 a month yearly or £6.99 monthly rolling
I pay $6.00 rolling monthly and have done for years. So what I want to know is are they putting my fees up to £6.99?
Doesn’t seem to be any indication and they’ve certainly not contacted me to say they are changing my subscription costs
I totally understand if people don't want to pay, but to believe basically the whole platform (atleast the most popular parts) could be free for ever just isn't realistic.
I'm still undetermined on whether I'll pay for it as I'm not that bothered about leaderboards, but absolutely appreciate the reason the change was made.
As per many above, I do pay for Zwift and genuinely believe that offers value - helps motivate me to ride harder when just churning away on a turbo wouldn't.
OR £6.99 per month if you pay monthly.
I currently pay £2.49 a month, does that mean mines going up or do I get grandfather rights?
It would appear I scored a top 10 on a segment in Mallards Pike FOD today, but I can’t see any details. ...sad times, but still don’t value that information at £6.99 a month. I also hope everyone slamming others who have a problem with the price are subscribers here...
Have been a Strava subscriber for a while now. No specific reason, just seemed the decent thing to do when I like what they offer given the cost.
Been playing with Garmin Connect segments a bit tonight just to see how it compares. Apart from the apparently WAY smaller 'connected' userbase, segments you create don't seem to historically populate with previous activities - they only 'exist' from the point you create them? A bit irritating if true, even if you only want to compare you with you.
Can't see any real reason to stop giving the big bad S my money for my use of it.
Business needs to make money. Who'd have thunk it?
they only ‘exist’ from the point you create them? A bit irritating if true, even if you only want to compare you with you.
You can go back to earlier Activities, scroll down, select "Segments" and then "Match New Segments". It's only one Activity at a time though.
Agreed. If you want something you gotta pay for it. Strava has been free to use for so long, people have come to expect it/take it for granted. If you don't start paying now, you might just miss it when it's gone.
🙂
Here's a new thing for all us freeloaders - anyone else getting 'too many requests' returned by browsing the site while logged in? Seems to be a device to stop apis etc overloading the servers asking for data.
Literally logged on, looked at a couple of old rides and a couple of segments on them this morning...perhaps the threshold has been lowered significantly for non-members?
This is on PC, not on the phone app itself, which seems to be working fine.
@martinhutch - not for me (Chrome on Mac). Went through about ten rides of various people and looked at about ten segments.
Agreed. If you want something you gotta pay for it. Strava has been free to use for so long, people have come to expect it/take it for granted. If you don’t start paying now, you might just miss it when it’s gone.
Happy to pay, just not £6.99 a month.
not for me (Chrome on Mac). Went through about ten rides of various people and looked at about ten segments.
It seems to have recovered now - must have needed the venture capitalists to send over some emergency hamsters.
EDIT: I take it back, it's doing it again. I wonder if it's related to the Elevate api, which is still successfully harvesting my segment positions.
Improved impossible effort detection… False KOMs, QOMs, CRs dethroned!
They need to get this working better, I ran a slightly different way today and recorded a time on a segment, just interested to see what the times were and the top 2 times (for a 0.66km running segment) were 25-30 seconds... I mean come on now.
It so happens that the segment runs along a railway line, so the KOM and second place were both from people on a train. Flagged both, but I shouldn't have to considering they were travelling at speeds that are humanly impossible...