[Closed] Night in a bivi bag in january.......will i die?

Notwith a good sleeping bag

maybe. take a sleeping bag too. it'll improve your chances a lot 😉

Peut-etre

If it's for 'puffer. you can have a corner of our gazebo for additionl shelter.

A 'good' sleeping bag will make all the difference.

Yes

what is a good packable sleeping back to aid my warmth.

For bivvying, I'd avoid down and go for something like a Mountain Hardware Lamina 0

No. Good gods man, tough it up! It's only winter!

Well it won't be as cold as the last time.

Might be a bit boring, unless you are planning to keep moving after dark

Might be a bit boring, unless you are planning to keep moving after dark

next question was, any good pubs in Rhayader? 😀

I can recommend Morgans.
Right on the crossroads.

Sleeping bag wise, it depends on the forecast.

ton - Member
what is a good packable sleeping back to aid my warmth.

druidh - Member
For bivvying, I'd avoid down and go for something like a Mountain Hardware Lamina 0

I can second Flatfish's recommendation - great food and friendly staff

Ton, you signing up for 'El & Back? Do you have a bivy bag already? If it's nice & breathable, I'd stick with a down sleeping bag imho (or quilt). Whether the bag/quilt gets wet will depend more on where you pitch than anything else.

pedalhead.....it is the El & back. not got a bivvi yet. i was gonna get a xl hunka.

XL Hunka was my first bivy bag, a good'un for the price. You'll have lots of space in there for a winter bag to loft. Don't forget you'll need a warm mat...even with a warm bag you'll get very cold if your mat isn't up to the temp. Got a tarp?

next question was, any good pubs in Rhayader?

Haha i'm from a few miles away from Rhayader originally (Cardiff now).

The Elan pub is probably one of the nicest - I'll be honest and admit i'm not a huge fan of Rhayader pubs in general, but I guess that's just because I'm from there!

On this year's January equivalent to the El & Back (called Mach n Back) it was well frosty and sub zero in the night. However, some of us slept amongst the conifers where the temperature stayed nicely above zero and we weren't coated with frost and condensation upon waking in the morning 🙂

BTW, could any late arriving riders chosing to kip down in the same vicinity as us on The El 'n Back please keep the noise and lumens down as you stagger up from the pub in the early hours? Cheers.

I'm still here Tony 😀

All depends on conditions and picking a good spot, as to how cold you can be and still be comfortable.

Things to think about is how warm do you sleep?
Is it better to get a good 3 season bag which you will use more and then layer up? Coat, liner, thermals, hat & socks etc.
A good mat is as important as a good bag.

Matt, i sleep warm, i thought a bit lighter bag might be better.
also what is a good mat?

Tony - were you not on here a few weeks ago complaining that you'd been feeling the cold since you lost some weight?

druidh, yes mate, but i am building a 'keep the cold at bay' wardrobe.

got a down pullover and plenty of merino thermals to sleep in, so i figured a lighter bag would be ok.

[quote=ton ]druidh, yes mate, but i am building a 'keep the cold at bay' wardrobe.
got a down pullover and plenty of merino thermals to sleep in, so i figured a lighter bag would be ok.
Ah. I thought you meant you were gonna take a wardrobe with you. 😆

Remember that, if the merino gets damp while you are riding, it'll not dry out and it will be very cold.

merino stuff is for my pj's 😀
i ride in northface manmade flight series stuff.

Don't know how the other more serious camping/bivying types rate them but I find a silk liner invaluable. My girlfriend is always sleeps cold, on our last camping weekend it got pretty frosty over night but in her 3 season bag and a silk liner she slept like a baby.

also what is a good mat?

Look for R ratings the higher the better. You'll loose more heat via the ground than via the air.

Love my neoair. Exped and Peak Elite also get good recomendations (but all on the higher end price wise)
Foam mats work just as well, cheap but bulky. Many options available. Tried short mats, but after using a long mat, theres no going back for me.

Are you thinking of doing El-an back? I did Mach n Back last Jan, it was great!

Best tip is to get out of the open, trees are good, even seeming impenetrable forests are more less dense once you get past the first few feet. I managed with a Alpit pipedream 400 and Filo jacket.

Just accumulating some kit for el and back
Not 100% yet
Never bivi'd before

I've had a moment of madness & signed up for el-an-back as well., I'm no stranger to camping but haven't been getting out as much as I used to.

[url= http://www.army-surplus.co.uk/militarygear/category/sleeping-bags-bashas.html ]Ex army stuff?[/url]

Alpkit stuff is brill for bivvies and mats.
Ton, have a pop into go outdoors at pudsey or wakefeild as they have a good selection of bags.
For me a nice down one is always preffered. Have Rab and alpkit ones, all good.

I slept in just a bivvy bag on an island off the coast of Somalia last week and i ****ing nearly died. Was so ****ing cold i thought i might pass out.

I slept in just a bivvy bag on an island off the coast of Somalia last week

Are your family having a bit ot trouble cobbling together the ransom money then? 😉

just been reading a thing about camping in alaska, the guy who wrote it suggested that a foam mat with either a tin foil backing or a tin foil survival bag laid on it, was the best choice for winter.
he said a inflatable air type mat stayed cold cos your body heat escaped through it.

Whats the deal with food? Do people pack tea/ cook it or go to the pub?

Up to you.

just been reading a thing about camping in alaska, the guy who wrote it suggested that a foam mat with either a tin foil backing or a tin foil survival bag laid on it, was the best choice for winter.
he said a inflatable air type mat stayed cold cos your body heat escaped through it.

A thin closed cell foam mat underneath any mat will bump up the R value by about 2.

Have a look at the mats over at AlpKit, their self inflating mats are pretty good at keeping you warm.

right, cheers Stu........ 😀

ton - last year at Mach n Back I slept on top of a tarp (maybe near slugwash) in my Alpkit Pipedream 800 bag. Plenty warm enough despite being near freezing.

Best tips is having dry socks for the camp wear a beanie to keep head warm. I like the Ibex merino beanie which is really tiny:

[url= http://www.alwaysriding.co.uk/ibex-zepher-merino-wool-skull-cap-771.html ]Ibex[/url]

Tony, just imagine sleeping out in the frost we had on friday night. It was like that back in January.

Tony,

I'm taller than you, but not as stocky.

I really recommend you look at Big Agnes sleeping bags (loads of different weights and down / synthetic options. They are by far the longest and broadest I have found.

Failing that.... go bonkers and get PHD to make you a custom one!!!

The trick is to [s]drink plenty before you pass out[/s] get some dry clothes on before bedding down for the night, worked for me on the Mach & Back last year.
I use an alpkit hunka xl, alpkit wee airic and xl skyhigh 600 sleeping bag.
Only problem with kipping on top of the tarp was the fact it turned it into a bit of a slide.
Exposure diablo makes a good foot warmer if you turn it on in your sleeping bag.

My take on winter biving is slightly different. I won't do it unless the forecast is no rain (the occasional wrong forecast you can get away with). So, it's down, on the grounds it's lighter/warmer and packs smaller. Your legs don't need to be that warm, it's your core that is important. I use a 700gm down sleeping bag (ME Dewline) and a med down duvet jacket with hood, the most versitile combo for camp, cooking and sleeping in (and walking too/from pub). Plus a fresh dry change of baselayer. full length expedition closed cell foam matt (no air mat for winter bivi, they're not good enough).

I'd recommend Snugpak slepping bags. Great UK brand (some bags made in UK), good synthetic bags that are tough and do the Expanda Panel that you'll need for room:

[url= http://www.snugpak.com/index.php?MenuID=133-191&ItemID=164 ]Expanda Panel[/url]

Try PHD for bags both sleeping and bivvy. They'll make one to fit both your body size and needs. They are totally ace, Peak based and nice.

I dont work for them. Have three bags.

Ton. Alpkit down bag XL hunka. And throw a few of those little hand warmer things in the sleeping bag before you get in .....sorted 😉

I bivi'd in the hills between Coulags and Torridon and Lochan Fada earlier in the year. Both trips around 6c I was sweating like a pig with cycle shorts/merino base layer in a down bag (suitable for down to around -5c)

I would guess that without a self inflating mat (I had a Vango lightweight mat that inflates to around 30mm thick) the chill from the ground would go straight through the bivi and sleeping bag and you'd soon be wrestling around to keep warm by sliding back onto the mat (also can be a bit tricky when your arms are by your side and you are on off camber ground!)

For my next bivi I plan to make a trough to lay down in.There's a few small pebbled beaches around Lochan Fada that will hold the inflatable mat well. This should spread the body weight out well without feeling like I'm sleeping on three points of my body at any given time! (like what happened by choosing the wrong spots next to rocks on exposed mountains with rocks digging into my back :O/)

ALso go for a full length mat, your feet will still freeze hanging off the end of a short mat,with merino socks,a down bag and bivi bag between you and the ground. Its bad enough in summer.

Edit: Use ear plugs for a silent night. The stars,sattelites,meteors etc are amazing to watch before crashing.Upon waking there's no midges (If you plan on coming up here), and the fresh air will mean one of the best nights sleep you've had in years - possibly a lifetime so it'll all be worth it.

I've done lots of winter bivvying. A synthetic bag is definitely the way to go...even if it's not wet the temperature difference inside to out, creates a lot of condensation as much as a pint and that mostly will stay in the bag, even a gore Tex one..you need to keep bag open as much as possible to aid ventilation

alpkit hunka xl bought
alpkit base mat bought
tiny tiny gas stove bought
cooking mug bought
2 season snugpac kipbag bought
silk liner bought
got thermals and warm clobber for kipping in

need a lightweight tarp.......or should i try and wing it?

2 season snugpac kipbag

I've got a huge spare tarp you could borrow/share if the weathers looking appropriate

Night in a bivi bag in january.......will i die?

2 season snugpac kipbag bought

YES 😯

Yes if you sleep in a low spot. A flash flood will drown you! (Based on recent weather patterns)

Hello Ton,

Élan Valley and Rhyader you lucky guy. Get yourself into Élan Cyclery, Clive Powells place. It used to be a pub and is now a bike shop,still sells some beer though. Speak to Clive or Neil, they will give you good advice on the pub to visit as they can be a bit hit miss at times. Back in the day it was the Cornhill for beer and a good feed. There was was twelve pubs until recently for a town of 2000.

For those that were around on bike then, Clive's place was pretty much the first place in the Uk that offered mtb holidays and used the phrase "dirty weekend" related to mountain bikes. really great place for rides in lonely places with big sky's and massive views.

Given the recent weather, if there is now change in the constant rain it will be really wet on the hills. Have fun.

Ps how did you get on with this years Yorkshire tour?

Might be a bit boring, unless you are planning to keep moving after dark
next question was, any good pubs in Rhayader?

The Eagles in Rhayader is awesome!
The owner is a hunter, and they serve rabbit, wood pigeon, duck, wild boar, crocodile, kangaroo, and all the usuals....!,

i was joking about the 2 season bag, i missed a 😉 off.

mt, tour of yorkshire was fantastic, 7 days 80% offroad.

beefheart, that sound like it is worth a visit, cheers