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[url= http://singletrackmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/core-bike-hope-technology/ ]News item[/url]
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What do you think of the Hope chainset components?
When can we get it?
What will/should the various bits cost?
Bikeradar says the cranks will not be put into production.
http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/new-bikes-from-tomac-liteville-intense-ram-33079
Also, this premier stuff is a load of plums.
"Also, this premier stuff is a load of plums."
Indeed it is. I don't think they can really generate enough special material to truly justify premier status. So they denied some existing features - just wrong. The # of comments on news items has plummeted.
On topic:
It's a shame about the cranks as you could get a completely UK made chainset. But I'm excited by the rest of it.
waste of metal integrating chainring (wears, disposable) with bashring (nearly permanent fixture)
similarly freehub/cassette - quick-wearing cassette permanently attached to slow wearing freehub
wasteful, if a smidge lighter
Make a decent 9sp 11 or 12 - 36 cassette and you'd clean up, IMO
Make a decent 9sp 11 or 12 - 36 cassette and you'd clean up, IMO
How will they when all 9 speed mechs only work properly with a max 34t rear cassette ???
Make a decent 9sp 11 or 12 - 36 cassette and you'd clean up, IMO
Not when almost all new bikes come with 10sp.
[url= http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=31059&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=Shopping&utm_name=UnitedKingdom ]Uh oh - better warn Shimano[/url]How will they when all 9 speed mechs only work properly with a max 34t rear cassette ???
Plenty of 9sp, 8sp and even 7sp bikers all buying aftermarket parts regularly. I'd almost consider 10sp just because it'd give me a big range on a single chainring but no way am I buying shifter, mech and cassette at current prices just to get a big spread on the cassette (cheaper 9sp one is 12-36 so not really different to 11-34)Not when almost all new bikes come with 10sp.
Agreed on wasteful nature of bash and freehub - but spot on for racing applications where people care about weight.
I seriously want the colour matched hoops...
Sorry I'm not used to working at the deore level!!
Decent kit i.e. Slx, XT, XTR 9 speed rear mechs max out at 34t, and so do decent cassettes for the same reason.
36t+ cassettes have been around for over 10 years not sure you'd want them on your bike unless you gave a shopper or are a niche hoar pratt!
I like the integrated bash and chainring - be perfect for tandem timing rings
36t+ cassettes have been around for over 10 years not sure you'd want them on your bike unless you gave a shopper or are a niche hoar pratt!
Or if you want to run less front rings. That comes across a bit rude.
Sorry guys but spend the cash and go 10 speed, best move you will ever make.
XT Cassette, XTR Shifter, Conex Chain, XT Cranks and Goldtech Chainring and you will have what I think is a great set up at not silly prices.
Anyone want to disagree based on experience?
XT Cassette, XTR Shifter, Conex Chain, XT Cranks and Goldtech Chainring and you will have what I think is a great set up at not silly prices.
Anyone want to disagree based on experience?
I might disagree based on price - how much for that lot ? How many XT-level cassettes could I buy with it ?
*ignores Rik*
Er, I'm using a 36t FRM cassette conversion & a 9spd XT Shadow rear mech - works perfectly & saves me having to spend money on an extra gear I don't need.
Sorry I'm not used to working at the [b]deore[/b] level!!Decent kit i.e. [b]/Slx[/b]
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john l:
Where from ? I thought those things were ded expensive
Don't you lose the little sprocket ? I don't see how that helps with gear range
(may well be that I misunderstand how they're used, though 😳 )
From On-One with 50% off 🙂
Yeah, you lose the 11t, which I can live without tbh - this is a 1x9 set-up so with 34/36 up front it's not an issue.
Oooh this is interesting. So the 36 tooth conversion works fine with a medium cage rear mech?
Have you got a link for them, can't find them on the On One site.
Hope NEED to sell those cranks... They're a thing of beauty.
What's with the integrated bash and chainring though? Seems overly wasteful to me. Would rather see slimmed down individual components that can be easily swapped. That bashring is too nice to chuck in the skip after six months.
when i spoke to them at core they said no date at all for the cranks. the pedals look too pricy at about £150 they said. 🙂
"john_l - Member
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Yeah, you lose the 11t, which I can live without tbh - this is a 1x9 set-up so with 34/36 up front it's not an issue."
Off topic and very geeky (from me!) but why bother going for heavy 9 speed 12-36 with a 34 or 36 upfront, when you can use a light 9 speed 11-34 with a 32 or even better a 33t upfront and get the both a slightly harder top gear and a slightly easier lower gear?
Anyway the hope stuff looks nice although like most would have preferred no bash ring, like the chain guide but then looks like you need to use the chain ring with the bash which seems pointless for xc...to me.
Off topic and very geeky (from me!) but why bother going for heavy 9 speed 12-36 with a 34 or 36 upfront, when you can use a light 9 speed 11-34 with a 32 or even better a 33t upfront and get the both a slightly harder top gear and a slightly easier lower gear?
+1
11-34 with a 32t gives a wider range than 12-36 with a 34 tooth. shifts it towards tougher gearing.
Shadow 9 speed mechs will clear 36t cassettes.
I disagree that 10 speed is an absolute relevation, although the wider range cassette is good.
Anyone want to disagree based on experience?
Plnety of people who had to stop several times last year at the transvésubienne to repare their chains.
Interesting reading. I'm seriously considering going from 2x9 to 1x9 now.
To be honest I thin going 1x9 with a 30th front ring and a 9/36 or a 11/36 cassette in 9 speed would be enough for all but the racers
The FRM 36t isn't exactly heavy.....and it's funky anodised red 🙂
why bother going for heavy 9 speed 12-36 with a 34 or 36 upfront, when you can use a light 9 speed 11-34 with a 32 or even better a 33t upfront
What's the actual weight difference there? I'm guessing under 200g and probably quite a lot under. If I somehow managed to tape a 200g weight under your saddle without you seeing me do it, I'd be astounded if you noticed it when riding.
Given that the FRM cog only weighs 57gms, the difference is that, less whatever the 11t cog weighs.
pedals
£150
😆 😆
No.
Love that chain-keeper.. simple and minimal. Make it pls Hope!
Given that the FRM cog only weighs 57gms, the difference is that, less whatever the 11t cog weighs.
Plus the difference of the 32 to 34 front cog 😆
But anyway, surely the point is he bought a FRM sprocket when essentially he didnt need to bother.
Oh I do so want a 9-36T rear cassette. please hurry up hope! I'm 1x9 on my hardtail (32 front and 11-34T cassette) but want a bigger spread of gears on my full sus (currently 26/36 and 11-32).
The chain guide looks cool and although the integrated ring and bash looks good i'd prefer them separate.
Love those cranks, think they are probably some of the nicest (not)available.
Couldn't really give a monkeys about the cassette ,seems like a answer to a question that's not been asked,fair play to them trying to innovate.
It's a shame about the cranks as you could get a completely UK made chainset.
middleburn.
all shadow (sgs) will take 36T.Slx, XT, XTR 9 speed rear mechs max out at 34t
Oh I do so want a 9-36T rear cassette. please hurry up hope!
you can hack the hg61 12-36, swap the 12 for an 11 (and 11t lock ring) heavy though.
relliott6879 - Member
why bother going for heavy 9 speed 12-36 with a 34 or 36 upfront, when you can use a light 9 speed 11-34 with a 32 or even better a 33t upfront
What's the actual weight difference there? I'm guessing under 200g and probably quite a lot under. If I somehow managed to tape a 200g weight under your saddle without you seeing me do it, I'd be astounded if you noticed it when riding.POSTED 4 HOURS AGO # REPORT-POST
Back to off topic but no not sure I would notice, (although under the saddle maybe!?) but my point was much less about weight and more about keeping things a bit more normal cassette wise, it just seems silly to put a 36 out back on a 9 speed set and then run a 34/36 up front when a 11-34 with a 32/33 chainring gives you a better range and is more "standard".
I read the first set of replies but it had drifted onto cassette sizes...
So, anyway, that chain keeper looks very neat and simple. Hope (pun intended!) that's a good price.
Hopes product range has always been what they want to make/use themselves rather than what would make us the most cash. The cassette/free hub idea was to drop a chunk of weight and as an engineering project for the guys rather than a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. The chain ring/guide came from the cross team wanting a single ring solution for the race bikes.
yep thomthumb but how do you fit a 9T cog on there? thats 3/4 of why i love it.