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Ah......any pictures? Does it look like a mud tyre? I was thinking of putting a pair of 2.4 conti whatever's on....they have decent volume and should still perform of the gloop....
2.4 conti mountain kings gone on.....hopefully, they will try to kill me less than the chupacabras!
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There is loads of clearance though......!
I'm just posting this as there isn't much info about when I was searching!
I've just had my first ride on the 2.4 conti mountain kings and they are excellent! :0)
I actually had confidence when cornering for the first time in a year.
That is all.
Oh, and they don't clag up and push clay into your chain.......
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Rode my 27.5+ and my mate David's 29+ back to back today on the same trail. It was good to get back on the 29+ - totally different ride, vey floaty, very damped, amazing grip even compared to the 27.5+, harder to start a turn but once it's in there I'm sure you could take your hands off! Doesn't climb as well and is definitely less 'poppy'. More small fat bike whereas 27.5+ is more monster hardtail if that makes sense.
Liked them both and will try 29+ again next year as I kept forks/wheels.
Oh it was a lovely day for a ride as well. Ugly mudguard not required!
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Anyone ridded a carbon Stache yet and can write it up? In particular compared to an ali Stache. ta.
It'd be interesting compared because they've revised the geometry slightly, right?
Has anyone got a 18.5 or 19.5 frame they'd like to swap for a 17.5?
It's just a little small for me, but would happily do a straight swap. It's the minty green Stache 5 frame in good condition, couple of little chips, but very good really. Prettiest colour too! I'd happily do all the work stripping and rebuilding both bikes.
Bit of a long shot, but don't ask, don't get!
I bought myself this last month and today was the first day I have been well enough to ride it. It is much quicker off the mark than I expected, I thought it'd really trundle along until it got up to speed but it doesn't.
It's very competent at rocky technical stuff, much more so than my 27.5 130mm Transition Trans Am. It's also very bouncy, both in terms of jumping over stuff but also when you are pedalling at its resonant frequency on the road.
Tweaked mine a bit, it now has Magnum forks, a dropper, XT 1x10 and 785mm bars and a 40mm stem so it suits my riding better.
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Looks good Luke. Been running mine since about August, other bike isn't getting much use.
If I'm honest Stu it's surprised me. It's so much more capable than I thought. I can't see the Trans Am getting much use anymore.
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Bought this in the Black Friday Sales 20% off. Just taken delivery. First ride will be Saturday.
Have set up tubeless, the factory tubes are 400g (0.9lb) each!!
Will report later. Have got a 2013 Stache so curious to see (hopefully) improvement.
Nice Andy.... Glad to see trek keeping the stache going. As I have posted before, my 5 is now my only bike having sold the 29er and the full squish as I was just not using them.
I think the 2017 has 120mm travel forks up front as stock as opposed to 110 on the 2016. Be interested to hear how you get on with it!
I fitted some magnum pro forks to my 5 to give the front end some squish. The undamaped 3" rubber had the tendency to throw me off line during very fast runs down my favorite trails. The magnums have transformed the ride and now the bike is much more capable. I did however find the front end far too high with forks set to 120 so dropped to 100mm and I prefer it.
Keeping rigid fork for the summer and will flip back again at some point.
Brakes are now xt's which do a better job than the stock basic shimanos.
Also the stock chapapapapcurcaracatsaaaaaa rubber up front was not great. I like to throw the front end into stuff and in anything but very dry conditions, the tyre would slip away. Stuck on a vee bulldozer which is awesome! Sticks to the ground like glue. The chapucra is fine at the back though but does slip on wet roots!
Dropper is necessity on a bike like this!
Also running a 34 tooth ring as I found the 32 a little too spinny.
Like munro, now running 40mm stem (80 stock far too long) and a set of 760mm wide bars.
Plus my ergon grips which are awesome.
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^ Looking good
Why the suss fork for winter though, would have thought it better other way round?
Because a sus fork is fun!
How're you getting on with a 34t front ring? Trek says 32t tops, and I've got a 30t oval on mine (changing to 32t soon), and clearance is TIGHT when at the top of the oval, I just can't see the chain clearing with a 34t!
As said before, mine's got 130mm forks on, but is also 650b+, I've got really used to it, I'm happy with the front end height now, although maybe I could drop the bars 1 more spacer. I just wish the top tube was longer, my 17.5" frame just isn't reachy enough.
Just built a black 2017 frame up for my wife which has come out great and must say I'm really drawn to the carbon 9.6 for stealth looks and versatility.
It'd be good to see a comparison of the Carbon to the Ally version. I may yet sneak a wee ride or two on the wifes yet as a benchmark.
It's a tad small for me but with the curved seat tube giving and exaggerated seat angle and lengthening reach at full post height I should fit ok ish....for a trial or two anyway... just don't tell her... shhh!
Where did you get 20% off Andy if you don't mind sharing?
Is anyone interested in a 2016 Trek Stache 5 (the minty green colour) with a good BB and headset fitted, I'll be selling the frame only soon. In size 17.5. It's brilliant fun, I really love it, but it's slightly too small for me.
Anyone know what BB the Stache 5 is running? It's a press fit of some sort.
From the Trek Website
Bottom bracket - PF92
Which is for a shimano hollowtech 2 crankset and pressfit BB. The BB has hard plastic body and easily presses into an Aluminium frame.
Or could go for the Hope PF41/46
Fit and forget?
Thanks guys - this is where I get confused - how is it both a PF92 and a PF41/46.
With my PF30 - it's just that.
this is where I get confused - how is it both a PF92 and a PF41/46.
The first refers to the total axle width, and is identical to a BSA 68/73mm shell with a hollowtech external BB. PF30 (stupidly) refers to the diameter of the axle which is passing through it, but also corresponds to a certain axle width...I suppose it helps distinguish it. PF41/46 are (confusing) model designations from Hope which seem to have very little relevance to anything measurable.
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Anyone ridded a carbon Stache yet and can write it up? In particular compared to an ali Stache
There's a review of the new Carbon Stache (9.8?) in this months ST Mag.
The first refers to the total axle width, and is identical to a BSA 68/73mm shell with a hollowtech external BB. PF30 (stupidly) refers to the diameter of the axle which is passing through it, but also corresponds to a certain axle width...I suppose it helps distinguish it. PF41/46 are (confusing) model designations from Hope which seem to have very little relevance to anything measurable.
Nicely done. Thank-you.
Such a giggle to ride.
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A Review of my carbon Stache 9.8 29+
My previous bike was / is an original Stache 8 (the green one), aluminium 29er, upgraded with Pike forks. I was looking at a frame only option to ‘upgrade’ that bike but a 20% black Friday sale from Absolute Bikes got me the Stache pictured earlier for £2750 collected on Christmas eve.
Annoyingly the carbon bikes are 19.5 or 17.5 with no intermediate size. I’m 5’11 and measured key dimensions from my existing 19” Stache which fits well and settled on a 19.5 (which is 18.5 actual). An 18.5 would probably have been perfect.
My first rides where simply XC event rides and didn’t trouble the bike at all, first ride at 20psi (since I was concerned about bashing the carbon rims) and the bike was bouncing around a bit. Second ride at 18psi and now at 15psi. Incidentally the supplied tubes are 900g each, now tubeless. The rims are pretaped, just needed valves. The tyres hold air without Stans.
After the first 2 rides, I felt the stem at 50mm was a fraction long and invested in a Hope 35mm long stem which has made the riding position spot on.
First ride with the shorter stem was around a slightly slippy QE park and I ended up yelling at myself in sheer joy. Despite large wheel circumference the bike took the tight uphill corners superbly and going downhill on the damp chalk showed very good grip. Uphill traction is good too. I think a psi or 2 lower might be better as well.
No problems with any of the componentry and the cable Bontrager dropper is smooth time will tell if its reliable. Not sure if a copy of another post or their own design.
Being a Shimano Brake person, I’m not totally convinced by the Guide RS brakes, they are hard to set up without rub, feel is good but power on 180 discs merely average. I am determined to give them a good time to grow on me since they are well reviewed.
The rear tyres has punctured twice, last Sunday requiring a “sticky strip” kit repair in the main tread area so while the tyres are decently light, they may be too fragile for rugged trail use.
I've a medium (17.5) '16 Stache 7 (the purple one, like this http://archive.trekbikes.com/uk/en/2016/Trek/stache_7#/uk/en/2016/Trek/stache_7/details) that I'm thinking of selling but haven't got round to advertising yet, if anyone's interested please get in touch and I can get on with it. A dropper is installed and included (stock is with a rigid post). Couple of other mods than can be included or it can be returned to stock. Setup is tubeless. Location Dorking, would be a PITA to ship. Inspection/tryout welcome.
It's a great bike but luckily I already have 2 other great bikes and the Stache sits in the middle. If I had to go down to one ( 😮 ) it would be the keeper.
Nice review Andyg.
AndyG - I finally cracked the other week and bought n+1 in the shape of a Stache 9.8 (21.5''), I've been using 2.6 Nobby Nics on it that are a good weight and probably a bit more puncture proof that the standard tyres - I put these on for the Cotswold mud I ride in and they grip brilliantly.
I am looking forward to getting the standard tyres on when it dries up though.
Iain.
Can I share my stache copy? 🙂
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I've not tried it with 29+ wheels yet (shown with b+ ones) so I'm interested in this thread. I find the b+ wheels great so wondering how much more benefit over that the 29+ wheels would give. Will need to find someone with some that I can borrow for a ride 🙂
Does anyone with a stache live in or near Leicester. Really want to have a look at one but nowhere local has them.
Just de-winterised my rigid stache 5, and have forgotten how much of a hoot it is! I'm back popping wheelies and launching off of stuff....
That is all!
It does want to manual! And you find yourself looking for kickers all the time.
Mine is a complete hooligan.
After seeing this earlier shuffled mine out for a ride
It's not for everyone
FOR SALE:
Trek Stache 5. As new. Extras
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Size?
Should be joining the stache club later today courtesy of one of Ton's workmates. Stache 7 - can't wait to take it out this weekend. Has anybody settled on a good tyre combo yet? I'll mainly be riding around the peaks, Macc Forest and Marple areas. 🙂
Can you run 27+ with the stock Manitou fork? I'm keen on experimenting with wheel size.
No dish required. It's a SuperMax so has huge clearance
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Well I've changed the Chupacabra tyres to Maxxis Chronicle EXO versions. I ride on the Southdowns mainly and I've had 3 punctures in the rear tyre, 2 requiring patches on the inside of the tyre.
I think the design of the tyre with widely spaced small knobs doesn't work on the flinty Southdowns. Will report back on the Chronicle.
Meanwhile if anyone wants an undamaged front and repaired rear Chupacabra for a few ££ let me know.
andyg1966- how much would you be after?
munrobiker : PM sent
What are the forks like?
I saw the specalized fuse pro has a reba and its 11sped
Just joined the Stache club. Bought a used 2016 Stache 7, just finished cleaning it and installing a Vee Bulldozer tubeless up front. Here's hoping it holds overnight so that I can take it around Marple or Macc Forest tomorrow on its maiden voyage.
Currently have a chuppacabra out back, but it's pretty worn. Does anybody have recommendations for a rear tyre that doesn't have dairy lea sidewalls?
I'll try and post some photos later. Can't wait to take it out and see how it rides 😀
WTB Bridger on the rear would be a good value option. Or a trail boss or even a ranger if you get the tough carcass one.
Thanks Alex. The Bulldozer seems like a good front option with decent sidewalls. I'm hoping it'll survive okay. I'll have a look at the Bridger and Trailboss now. I was going to get the Surly Dirt Wizard until I saw the price 😯
I love the vee bulldozer... Bit on the heavy side but Ploughs through anything and stiff sidewalls mean low pressure.
Still running the chapapapapcurcaracatsaasas at the back. Done about 1200 miles on it now with zero issues. Pressure is the key with these tyres though 13 psi and they squirm all over the place. 15 is perfect. Not had an issue with cheesy sidewalls but then perhaps that all depends where you ride (my riding is mainly Surrey Hills / swinley / tunnel hill so no big sharp stuff)
Oh and earlier question regarding the 34 ring - yes I did have to make a small shim to move the crank over a tad to get the clearance required. Great thing is that standard ht2 shimano cranks fit (24mm spindle) but may try a 30 at some point when this wears out.
Love the semi fat format so much that i have frankenbastardised a cotic solaris with all the stuff left in my shed from previous builds:
It's a lot of fun
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WTB Bridger on the rear would be a good value option. Or a trail boss or even a ranger if you get the tough carcass one.
Are these 27+ or have I got extremely weak Google-Fu as I can't find them in 29+ anywhere?
CRC are doing Maxxis Chronicle 29+ for £44 right now!
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/maxxis-chronicle-mtb-tyre-exo-tr/rp-prod144792
Thanks Km79, are they a good choice for the rear in your opinion?
For me they are a better all rounder than a Knard but not as good as a Dirt Wizard in the muddy stuff. Problem is there isn't much to choose from when it comes to 29+.
There is a comparison table which may help if you scroll down a bit in this review.
Thanks for the link. Yep, I'm just finding out about the dearth of 29+ tyres. The Vee bulldozer seems like a good, tough choice for the front. I'll find out tomorrow hopefully when I take the Stache for its first proper ride. It still weighs less than my previous bike, so should be good 🙂
CRC are doing Maxxis Chronicle 29+ for £44 right now!
If you buy two then they are only £39 each (£10 off for Clearance items totalling over £75).
Well I've just taken my Stache out around Macc Forest for its first ride. The climbs were hideous, but that speaks more to my fitness than the bike at this point. Oh my, the bike loves descending though. I could just plough in to or over things that would have caused me issues on my previous HT and the faster it got, the better it seemed to cope.
It had so much grip climbing off road too and was surprisingly sprightly on the roads to get to the trail. The only thing holding it back at this point is the rider 😳 I may need to drop the pressure more in the tyres (currently 16 psi front and back), look to possibly shorten the stem slightly and maybe lower the bars. Had that going over the front feeling a couple of times.
Initial impressions are that I've bought a cracking bike and I can't wait to get back out and work on my fitness.
Don't give up on the chupacabras! Since it's dried out, I'm having such a hoot on the stache again! It feels like a new bike.....
Does anyone know if the hope tapered integrated headset is correct for it? I want the Chris king (inset 2, I think?) but the hope is almost 1/3rd the price.... mine is still ok, but I want to pre-empt any issues!
I have a few Trek MTB's and always change to a hope bottom headset bearing as the standard bearings fitted are rubbish, I have one sitting ready for my Stache when the std bearing inevitably fails in the next few weeks! Already done the Top fuel, procaliber, wife's remedy etc.....
DHR is now officially my favourite 29+ front tyre.
Still trying to find the perfect backone though. Bomboloni for now but at best its only OK
Yep Iain... One thing I don't like about my trek. I ride in actual rain (shock horror) and the stock bb lasted me about 300 miles. I purchased a direct replacement from my lbs which did a bit better over the summer and got around 600 miles out of it. I have now fitted a shimano xt pf92 and still running lovely and smooth at 700 miles and counting.
This one is great if any of you guys need a new bb for the stache.
Martin I am desperate to try the minion dhr... Reckon the bulldozer / minion combo would be perfect (for me).
One thing I do find with the vee bulldozer up front is the significant gyroscopic effect of the front wheel..... At speed (and I mean fast) you can really feel the wheel's reluctance to pitch over. Anyone else get this?
Worried that the minion may exhibit the same issue. Interestingly I don't feel anything with the bonty chapacrasasssass... Probably because they are around 300g lighter which may be enough to stop/reduce the gyroscopic effect.
1100km on a 5 ran through a fairly filthy winter with minimal cleaning. Headset is fine and BB has a bit of creaking but nothing to make me change it. Can't argue with that for the cost of the bike.
We don't have gritty mud though.
Tyres still loving the Chups, might think differently if we had a lot of fast rocky downhills. Hopefully I've sorted the rear tubeless leak out now and I can maintain a pressure and get it to the sweetspot rather than having to reinflate every week to a different pressure as I'm invaribly in a rush.
Thanks doncorleoni, I love Trek's but I do wish they could put decent headset's into them! The BB's are okay but the standard SRAM unit is pretty poor, I'm running a Hope one in my Top Fuel which works well and got a Chris King to try on the Stache as I use it through the winter and reckon a 5 year warranty might be useful but the BB shell tapers in the middle of the carbon frame and you can't fit it, so it's probably another Hope one for that as well.
I've been meaning to post mine for a little while now.
2017 9.6 and it's awesome. Now my only bike and hopefully will keep me going for a while.
I ended up swapping the SRAM stuff to XT which I already had plus a few other swaps.
The main thing is committing to the Minions which are more than I'd ever have contemplated spending on tyres before now!
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Looks gteat with the lefty
Anyone want a XL 5 with 27.5 wheels??
Anyone ride a 650b+ and a 29+ is there much difference, I've got a fuse and it's a great bike, main reason is im short so thought fuse would be better but itching to try a 29+
Bonesetter I might be interested in the XL
What size is XL in "?
Yes, IMHO 29+ is much more of a monster truck feeling compared to 650+. It rides up, over and along anything and everything. Traction is phenomenal and the momentum/speed the wheels hold is better.650b+ and a 29+ is there much difference
That 2018 model looks very serious. Descendant cranks, 120mm Pikes and a dropper. That nicely matches the abuse I think mine can handle.
Love it with the lefty too.....it looks spot on!
Trek's sizing is a little curious - they give two sizes, one is called virtual, whatever that means
I found the 'XL' to come up small for an XL, and really a bit small for me at 6'3"
I'd say if you're anywhere 5'10" upwards you need xl
PM if interested
Rigid stache 5?
See f this works....
My 5 bikepacking the ridgeway/Bristol/bath and around...
Does anyone know how to make that^ blimmin Flickr link show a s apicture?
Grrrr!
Yes RTD - 5 rigid
XL comes up tiny
2018 one now comes in a bike packing version, a complete contrast to that rad looking 9.8. It is a bike that covers a real range of riding styles, from a really tough hardcore hardtail to a serious nichemonger bike.
http://www.bikepacking.com/news/2018-trek-1120-bikepacking-stache/
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Does that bike really need a dropper?
What do we reckon the maximum fork travel is on these? I've just ordered a set of Revelations - I slung the front wheel off my Stache into a mate's 29" boost 2018 Revs and it fits nicely, and I fancy a bit of extra travel.
The Revs I've bought are 150mm, which is clearly too much so I need to buy a new air shaft. I'd like it to be fairly burly so what do we reckon - I know people run them at 140mm with 650b? That sounds pretty lairy, and it's only 20mm more than stock. That sounds like a real laugh, and it'd slacken the headangle off by a degree. Or is 130mm the safe bet?
With what size wheels?
Doing that might sort my current bicycle related thoughts out. Might look into some 29er Pikes or similar for my rigid 5 to give me something different to ride without buying a full new bike. I'd probably look at running them at 120mm with 2.3" 29er tyres front and rear.