[Closed] New Trek Stache 29+

looks good,nice alternative to Surley, i like the drop outs and the curved seattube, a nice unique arrangement.
Also seems Manitou are all over the + sizing, what with this and the Rocky Mountain.
seems the low pressure shocks and bikepacking + sizes go together quite well.
Will have a look when they get over here.

Looks awful. Is it boost 148?

This looks epic. Very keen.

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Looks properly expensive too! £1900 for the base level version with front suss with no dropper. If it was about £4-500 cheaper I might have been interested

As a Krampus rider, this is ace if only for a proper 29+ fork option and if they bring the bikes to the UK they'll have to bring the tyres in too!

Although I have just inquired about the frame only price 😯 😉

There's a video [url= http://www.bikemag.com/gear/27-bikes/ ]here[/url] that features Trek's guys saying they committed to 29+ rather than 27.5+ because it's just better, even though it's harder to design around.

That seems very cheering to me, and it's another ringing endorsement of Surly's idiot-savantism. I really am going to get around to a Krampus...

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Looks properly expensive too! £1900 for the base level version with front suss with no dropper. If it was about £4-500 cheaper I might have been interested

I agree. It looks proper fun though!

Very interested in the frame only option paird up with some 27.5" wheels

I like the look of this, but the stache always seemed a great bike anyway. Why not just launch a separate model (I appreciate its only a name)? I guess they'll phase the'normal' Stache out now...

IMHO Another Californian specific niche dreamt up by the marketing department to make people part with their hard earned

Surly aren't based in California

Like it. But I am a 29+ convert already...

Leftyboy - have you ridden one then?

I do like that but for the price. A slightly more forgivable way to get us to part with our money!

Didn't we do this already:

[img] http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/attachments/scott_proraceing99-jpg.155781/ [/img]

I love the fact that Trek's size lets them do awesome tooling to make the BB and chainstay part in one forging. Epic.

IMHO Another Californian specific niche dreamt up by the marketing department to make people part with their hard earned

A bit like the "mountainbike" in fact

Like that a lot.

Shame it looks like a smaller range than the US - theirs goes down to a Stache 5 in 29+. No regular 29 Stache on the site either, I love mine to bits.

E stays? What the chuffing chuff?

Oh, and the prices look "brave" for a hardtail that will likely be a second bike.

ootallpaul no not ridden one but having worked in advertising/marketing for over 30 years I'm very cynical about the latest greatest thing, Sea Otter is all about marketing and bringing something 'new' to the market. Being 5' 10" the 29ers I've tried seemed to tall so I settled on a Whyte with 27.5 wheels as the geometry/spec/price suited my needs/wants. 🙂

scotroutes I know Surly aren't based in California but the American market is very different to the UK one and (unless somethings changed recently) the biggest market for off road bikes is America followed by the UK. The images all look like the sort of trails where riding any bike would be fun but I can't see it's showing why we need 29+ again just IMHO

As always I guess it's down to individual choice, if you're riding a bike of any description then that's a good thing IMHO 🙂

Looks great to me both in concept and aesthetics. Can't see myself buying one but I really like the idea.

I like the rigid one but TREK have "no plans to bring it to the UK at this time" apparently.

I like the rigid one but TREK have "no plans to bring it to the UK at this time" apparently.

Bummer... that's the one that appeals!

I like the rigid one but TREK have "no plans to bring it to the UK at this time" apparently.
Bummer... that's the one that appeals!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...

goes away to kick some kittens.

Oh, and the prices look "brave" for a hardtail that will likely be a second bike.

True, but when you walk into a bike shop that is a trek dealer, likelihood is you'll be clamering for a 'cheap' £2k rigid after seeing how much the trek FS cost these days.

As a Stache owner already, I wouldn't really want the wheels to be any bigger - but I have been mulling over trying B+ on it at some point.

Who's ridden 29+ then? Is it just sort of more roll-overy?

I looked at the Superfly rigid ss last year, but not available in the UK. Frustrating.

But then I got my Stooge 😈

I have 29+ on front of my Stooge. Bit more comfort, doesn't get hung-up on small trail obstacles and most importantly people look and stare - " look at your big tyre!" 😆

Who's ridden 29+ then? Is it just sort of more roll-overy?

I have. Krampus and the new Jones 29+.

There is a lot of fettling with tyre pressures - but that may have been down to the Knards...which are pants in anything bar the dry.
Having all that undampned boing at low pressures gives amazing grip... and rebound if you pop off something.

Adding in suspension..that'll make it interesting.

Who's ridden 29+ then? Is it just sort of more roll-overy?

Exactly.

And oodles and oodles of grip. I can climb anything now. And I'm a fat ****er!

Who's ridden 29+ then? Is it just sort of more roll-overy?

Who's ridden 29+ then? Is it just sort of more roll-overy?

Aye, roll-overy, grippy and not as draggy as a fat bike.

As you have a HUGE contact patch you can run shallow tread tyres that roll along nicely and still get oodles of grip.

Like these:
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This from the Surly Blog when the Krampus was launched explains it well:

"The Krampus is a mountain bike….. with more traction, a smoother ride, and better geometry for high speed. The benefit over a fat bike is that this bike uses normal stuff and it doesn’t HAVE to be built like anything special. The bike is nimble like a regular 29er, but confidence inspiring like a fatbike.

The Pugsley makes me want to shift down in to the granny ring and see how much shit I can run over/go through. The Krampus makes me want to up shift, hit the first chunk of shit, and try to jump the rest of the crap. Lean back, hang on, and ride that wild horse."

I reckon those Treks will be mental fun.

And oodles and oodles of grip. I can climb anything now. And I'm a fat ****er!

I remember you being very tall! I think you planted the first seed of 29er curiosity in my mind actually.

Stooge Blue too

Is there any other '29'er' bike with a shorter CS length than 405mm which the Syache has?

Bonesetter- I can't find where you've found the chainstay length of the stache, but 405mm would be crazy especially with 29+ tires. The Zealous Division ( http://zealousbikeco.com/?portfolio=division-frameset ) has very very short chainstays and they only quote at 415mm. I'm a bit confused if I'm honest....

Looks fantastic!

I think the pink bike review said 405mm was when running normal 29er tyres.

The dropout can adjust the length from 405 to 415

Bloody impressive though

I like moving the drive side stay up and out the way

I love the look of the Stache 5. Shame no UK listing for this though. I've asked local Trek dealer anyway to see if there's a way to bring them in.

Estays are welcome back any time. Boost's not invited.

Perhaps all that are interested (and those who are not) contact out local Trek dealers and ask them to ask Trek for availability

Can't believe this bike will only be in the US - phaw

Can't believe this bike will only be in the US - phaw

Thanks for your enquiry, we are bringing back the Stache in a 29+. There will be two bikes and a frameset available.

Ah, well done Matt - finger on the pulse as usual 🙂

Edit: Wait - it's the Stache 5 which has been reported to be one not being sold here

Trek UK website:

[url= http://www.trekbikes.com/uk/en/search/results/?q=stache ]http://www.trekbikes.com/uk/en/search/results/?q=stache[/url]

And in the US - http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/mountain/trail/stache/

You'll need to scroll down to see them...

Clink - Member
Trek UK website:

http://www.trekbikes.com/uk/en/search/results/?q=stache

So, no Stache 5

As a Stache owner already, I wouldn't really want the wheels to be any bigger - but I have been mulling over trying B+ on it at some point.

Who's ridden 29+ then? Is it just sort of more roll-overy?

29+ is ace, and my Krampus had pretty much replaced all of my bikes since I bought it two years ago. As a serial bike builder and fettler (something my riding mates will attest to!) I've reduced the bikes to the Krampus and a full-sus for more DH orientated stuff.
The Krampus gets most of the riding time, and it's just as happy on wide open moorland treks as it is on techy, root infested singletrack.
I've even been riding the Knards over the last 2 winters with no complaints. Ok they're not perfect in claggy mud, but what tyres are? They give better grip and roll better than most other tyres. They also seem to be the worlds best wearing tyre. The rear is only just starting to show wear after 2 years and probably 2000+ miles.

I love this bike. It's got so many good ideas built into it - and there's a purple one!

I just hope this is the first of a whole class of bikes like this.

Isn't the BB and surrounding area machined out of one piece, or something like to overcome the raised stay flex?

The BB shell and non driveside chainstay bit and lord knows what else are forged in one piece. It's the sort of super manufacture that you can do when you know you're going to make 20,000 of them I guess.

Shame no Stache 5 but I'd be interested in frame only and build it up rigid to my tastes. Hmmmmm.........

Shame no Stache 5 but I'd be interested in frame only and build it up rigid to my tastes. Hmmmmm.........

Don't forget silly hub standards.

Sent to Trek UK:

Hello

There is currently much talk and excitement over the new 29+ Stache 5

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/new-trek-stache-29

It has been reported the 5 will only be available in the US and not here in the UK

Could you please confirm or dispel this somewhat distressing rumor, as there are many UK riders showing serious interest in this bike?

Many thanks

Is it really distressing you? Really? I know it looks nice, but priorities 😆

I just hope this is the first of a whole class of bikes like this.

[url= http://www.bikemag.com/gear/first-look-specialized-fuse-and-ruze-27-hardtails/ ]Spesh Fuse and Ruze[/url] are 27.5+, but look pretty sorted.

🙂

Those bikes are also quite exciting

Funky hub size is a bit annoying though!

brant - Member

The BB shell and non driveside chainstay bit and lord knows what else are forged in one piece. It's the sort of super manufacture that you can do when you know you're going to make 20,000 of them I guess.

What's the problem with the hub size (risk of daft Q)

well it's a 148mm width on the back and 110mm wide (with a 15mm axle) on the front.

No problem with the hub size, apart from it needing new wheels, or at the very least adaptors. I guess companies like Hope will be able to make up adaptors pretty easily.

Their argument is that a wider spacing between the hub flanges will give you stronger wheels. But is an extra few mm each side really going to make any difference?

is an extra few mm each side really going to make any difference?

Well, Trek and Spesh's enginerds evidently think so, and SRAM's agree. Or it's a huge conspiracy to somehow "make" us all buy a new frame that won't fit our old wheels, of course.

There is an increasingly strong case for just buying a new bike from time to time and ignoring everything that happens between those times. 🙂

There probably is a strength increase. But, is it needed as I can't say that my current wheels have ever failed!

I read over on mtbr that new endcaps won't work as the disc spacing is different, or some such. Which is annoying. I'd like to try one of these with a Bluto and 4.8” rubber up front.

I can't say that my current wheels have ever failed!

No indeed, mine neither! I've never knowingly detected wheel flex. But I suspect that's just a version of [url= http://theteamrobot.blogspot.hk/2014/11/things-to-never-say.html ]Things Never To Say[/url]. Someone out there has, and Trek and SRAM reckoned it was worth sorting (unless we accept the "bicycle industry is incredibly cynical" theory).

I found the [url= http://nsmb.com/innovation-industry-scam/ ]Vernon Felton video[/url] rather interesting.

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I read over on mtbr that new endcaps won't work as the disc spacing is different, or some such. Which is annoying. I'd like to try one of these with a Bluto and 4.8” rubber up front.

End caps - No

End Caps and Disc Spacers (with longer disc bolts presumably) - Yes!

For the thousands of older standard hubs still in use we are also working on hub and disc spacers to allow them to be fitted into the new wider frames and forks, however they will not bring all the strength advantages brought with this new size.

From [url= http://www.hopetech.com/wider/ ]http://www.hopetech.com/wider/[/url]

This is correct, no Stache 5 in UK, it is a US only bicycle.

Regards

Stan Krzyzaniak
Trek Bicycle Corporation Ltd.
Registered in England No: 2355933
Registered Office: 9 Sherbourne Drive, Tilbrook, Milton Keynes, MK7 8HX

Did you ask them why?

They didn't bring in the Superfly ss either.

[url= http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/mountain/cross_country/superfly/superfly_ss/ ]http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/mountain/cross_country/superfly/superfly_ss/[/url]

Frame only available for £700 I was told today. Ouch!

Bargain!

Not quite

Wonder how much the CF 5 fork is to buy state side?

700 is a lot when you consider it's $1,600 for full bike (£1070)

And new hubs e.t.c.

Ouch. Bit pricey then, the frame only deal... 😕

Can anyone find a frame and fork price in the US

A bit speedy, without fork too !.,

I sent an inquiry to a US Trek dealer and frame is $899

FFS! What gives

Innovative frame with unique features in "expensive" shocker.

Fear not custodians of low price, many will copy and make poor attempts.