[Closed] New Toy (Nothing to See Here Road Bike Haters)

I like that. Spec?

Look like man sized chainrings too? Well done.

Ahhhhgggghhhhaaagaggggggggg!!!!!!!!!

Spacers!

Other than that I like it.

Pretty sure that the rules allow for not cutting the steerer before you've checked that you've got the stem set right 😉

Looks good.

That looks like a lovely wall behind that you could have photographed it in front of instead of sticking the poor thing in a bush.

1) cranks not in-line with the seat-tube.

2) the chain would like you to know that's it's not happy in that sprocket.

#photofail.

other than that, it nearly took me a whole half-second to spot the massive logo on the downtube, s'quite subtle for a road bike, i like it.

Yeah spacers will be sorted once I'm happy with the stack.

It's a 2014 Ultegra 6800, 'mid-compact' 52/36 with 11-25 at the back. Considered a standard but it wasn't an option to change, figured it's close enough and will suit pretty much all my riding...

The rules are clear:

Rule #45
// Slam your stem.

A maximum stack height of 2cm is allowed below the stem and a single 5mm spacer must always – always – be stacked above. A “slammed down” stack height is preferable; meaning that the stem is positioned directly on the top race of the headset.

The wall ain't that nice close up.

Awhiles, it's not on the big sprocket and I was always told cranks at 10 past 🙂

I've got 25mm on top of the stem on my Madone, and 45mm on top of the Allez! 😳

Nice that. Those Rotor cranks? Lovely day for a first spin.

Have 15mm on top of the stem on my TCR too, and a good 30mm on my old Trek. I really must do something about that 😳

The rules are clear:

The rules are stupid.

The rules are written by clueless yanks.

I got one of the 'R3 dark' editions last year (re-painted R5 allegedly), so sweet. I went 52/36 with a 12-27 cassette, works fine for me here in UK but I'll probably whack the 50/34 back on for when I head to the proper mountains this summer.

*Edit, actually the rules were a good bit of fun when they only inhabited t'internet, but horrifyingly there seems to be an increasing number of clueless ****s that actually seem to take them moderately seriously (probably new enough to cycling to not really understand the tongue in cheek nature in which they were written).

Very nice! I've a bit of bike envy going on lately and really want to get a new road bike and this is on the shortlist. Can you tell me why you went for the R3? Was there anything else you were looking at?

Its not a BMX. 🙁

'Mid-compact'

A what..?

A what..?

More useable by anyone not in the pro pelaton than 39-53, but not as twiddly as 34-50.

The rules are stupid.

Not that stupid. Having a 5mm spacer above the stem is quite sensible. Having any more is aesthetically displeasing. And it only says a "slammed down stem is preferable", which if doable, it quite likely is for a number of reasons.

The rules are [s]stupid[/s] tongue in cheek taken far too seriously by try hards.

FTFY

Mrblobby, yes Rotor 3DF.

YoKaiser, I've loved the R3 at least aesthically for a while. I was going frameset only originally and building up, wasn't much else around that I liked at that price so settled on the R3.

Had considered the S3 but from reading around it seems the R series are a bit nicer/comfier for longer rides out. If most of my riding was quick 30 mile blasts then maybe I'd have gone for one.

Oh yeah £500 off wasn't to be sniffed at, the crank swung it for me to buy off the shelf. Maybe consider a wheel upgrade later but will give these a chance first.

Sorry Scruff 8)

The rules are [s]stupid tongue in cheek taken far too seriously by try hards[/s] getting very old.

FTFY

The rules are probably the most fun thing in roadie-ism. If anyone gets wound up by a joke page on the internet, then they really need to have a wee word with themselves

Legend - 10mm, not fully slammed

The rules are probably the most annoying thing in roadie-ism.

FTFY

Very nice looking frames. Now you need two gloss Arundel bottle cages, some blue tape to brighten it up, a K-Edge Pro chain catcher and rotate the shifters down slightly to make the levers perfectly vertical for finger tip shifting on the drops.

I didn't choose one (went for the competition Propel), but think that the S3 is the nicest looking aero road bike about a the moment.

Rules may seem stupid some (being called "the rules" probably doesn't help!) and to follow them religiously is a bit silly. But if you take one and think about it a bit then most actually contain some pretty good advice that you'd likely benefit from.

Edit: Apologies, thread is meant to be about Haze's lovely new bike 🙂

If people are taking them seriously, it's the people that are annoying (like people that do a 'FTFY' when they don't like your opinion). The rules are for a bit of light reading and quoting #5 if anyone's being whiney.

Anyway, nice bike.

EDIT:

being called "the rules" probably doesn't help!

TiRed, isn't there something in the rules about two cages? 😉

Unsightly spacers censored...

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Really nice that, I've just had a new roadie but the budget would strech that far, had to settle for a boring Defy!

Very nice. Been for a spin on it yet?

(I ordered one of those yesterday, I should be picking it up on Sunday. Very excited.)

Not yet bb, trying desperately to finish my work off so I can get out...

Is there anything less funny than a road bike stem height/spacer 'joke'?

Haze, grahamg

What do you make of the 52/36 type chainsets? As the years advance my gearing is getting more 'granny' and I'm now on 53/39 - 11/25

Too early to say m1kea, although I do have 50/36 with 11-25 (10S) on another bike which I get along fine with.

It had a 34 inner with 12-27 on originally, didn't really need that around here (Mids) so switched to close the gaps up a little.

I'm hoping this will offer the best of both...

😀 @ Haze

The Rules are written by Americans who have embraced and absorbed the beauty, romance and unwritten lore of the European culture around road riding, and have fun pointing out the absurdities. Whether you find them (and the rest of the articles) amusing or entertaining is personal taste, thinking the Rules are serious is just stupidity.

http://www.velominati.com/nostalgia/anatomy-of-a-photo-casually-deliberate-masterclass/

http://www.velominati.com/the-hardmen/2012-v-moment-of-the-year-boonen-goes-long/

back on topic....

Lovely bike, the "new" R3 with future-proofed cable routing? CRC have one old one left, in my size and my favourite colour (I have a thing for white bikes), I am hoping someone will buy it before I crack. But I know I'll be disappointed when it sells 🙄

Nice.

Rule 45 bullshit is the reason I can't buy forks off the classifieds, <190mm steerer my arse, some of us are taller than 5'6" ffs.

Thinking I'm going to give "mansize" gearing a miss in future too as I quite like climbing hills and would like my knees to still work in a few years

Yeah internal routing, no doubt eating at me to buy Di2 everytime I look down.

Haze many thanks, R3, S3 and Supersix EVO are being considered, Canyon have fell by the wayside. I'll look forward to hearing your ride report.

Really nice that, I've just had a new roadie but the budget would strech that far, had to settle for a boring Defy!

they are both mass produced open-mould frames no, probably not much between them?

they are both mass produced open-mould frames no, probably not much between them?

I'm pretty sure neither Giant nor Cervelo are 'open mould'

Rule 45 bullshit is the reason I can't buy forks off the classifieds, <190mm steerer my arse, some of us are taller than 5'6" ffs.

I'm 6ft and would actualy have liked my stem lower, but then I can get my palms flat on the floor when 'touching my toes'. I end up leaving spacers there knowing at some point I'll want to swap frames and it bugs me.

What do you make of the 52/36 type chainsets? As the years advance my gearing is getting more 'granny' and I'm now on 53/39 - 11/25

I've been running 52/36 with 11-25 for a couple of months. Not really a huge difference to the 53/39 with 12-25 I was running before. The main difference is the change from 52-36 is a bit bigger, but the I live in Warwickshire and don’t come off the 52 very often.

TiRed, isn't there something in the rules about two cages?

I'm pretty sure neither Giant nor Cervelo are 'open mould'

they are tube to tube wrapped joints?

Haze

Too early to say m1kea, although I do have 50/36 with 11-25 (10S) on another bike which I get along fine with.

It had a 34 inner with 12-27 on originally, didn't really need that around here (Mids) so switched to close the gaps up a little.

I'm hoping this will offer the best of both...

+ bluebird

Cheers

I found 50/34 too low a few years ago but then I had better legs then.

Hills round here (Sussex, Surrey and Kent) are generally short sharp ones as opposed to long long drags.

At the other end of the spectrum my TT bike has 55/42 11-23. It doesn't see much action these days 😐

I've got an R5ca, welcome Son 😀

I use 52/36 with a 12-28 for the South Downs if thats any help.

I'm pretty sure neither Giant nor Cervelo are 'open mould'

they are tube to tube wrapped joints?

do you actually know what "open mould" means? It means a mould owned by the factory and used for generic frames, with no design or IP from a known bike company, you seem to think it is something to do with monocoques and the actual manufacturing process?

http://inrng.com/2012/02/who-made-your-bike/

do you actually know what "open mould" means?

vaguely (thanks for the link) what i was implying was a frame made in a mould with limited fixed sizing and no variation in lay-up for weight/intended use or ability to vary geometry for the riders size. as opposed to tube to tube joined frames where all these things are taken into account and variable.
i was implying the giant wasn’t a million miles away from the cervelo, both being popped out of moulds in Taiwan in their thousands (possibly even in the same factory).

What crashtestmonkey said, and even within 'open mould' designs there's infinate different permutations of layups and materials, so two visual identical frames won't feel the same.

I think you're implying in your last post that the frame's aren't customised to the rider, which whilst true, probably isn't an issue as there's 100's of manufacturers producing 1000's of designs in 10,000's of size combinations, somewhere out there is a bike that fits what a customer wants.

Probably more 'custom' than building 'custom' steel bikes, there'll be a few uniquie finishing touches, but they'll all use combinations of the same few tubesets from Reynolds, Columbus, Deda, etc, whereas the designer/engineer at Giant might have entirely different ideas on how to make the tubes themselves than his counterpart at Cervelo.

I doubt that cervelo has a factory making only their frames exclusively for them in Taiwan. If anyone thinks they do -well they'd have to be paying said factory a fortune.

Nice bike though- your saddle is soooo high compared to your bars/frame 😯

I'm a road newbie but is the frame big enough for your height??????

Saddle height is probably right at the limit for me at the moment, it'll most likely creep down a touch as I put the miles on and get comfortable on it.

Hora, from my link

For example Cervélo and Scott have used a company called Ten Tech Composites to manufacture their frames.

Scott will own their mould, which they will have designed, as will Cervelo, and they will dictate the fibres used etc, and may well spec different lay-ups for different frame sizes. Factories like Ten Tech will own an in-house mould to knock generic frames to, for example, direct-selling mail order houses or new small start-ups who havent got the cash to invest in their own moulds.

Nice bike though- your saddle is soooo high compared to your bars/frame

I'm a road newbie but is the frame big enough for your height??????

Looks pretty good to me. If you are still comfortable and can make good power then a low front end is a good thing. More aero, free speed.

is the frame big enough for your height??????

Oh the irony 🙂

is the frame big enough for your height??????
Oh the irony

Am amused 😆

[b]Haze[/b] - Did you get a ride in on it yesterday? How was it?

😆

Sorry Bluebird missed your post, hope you're enjoying yours as much as I am mine!

Hora's recent threads make his comments on this even more amusing. It's a bit like Cliff Richard giving advice on women.

Did Hora set up your saddle?