[Closed] New to tubeless - inserts or not to start with?

nope, just start at sensible pressures and work down, you've been riding on higher pressures all your life anyway
although i run inserts just because i like the feel and security

Assuming you are mechanically sympathetic enough to not be continually pinch-puncturing inner tubes, I reckon you'll be fine without. I've been tubeless for 8 years now, (I think) and in that time only had 5 instances where I had to resort to installing a tube. At least one of those was because I'd let the sealant dry out so my fault rather than the system lacking. I've never bothered with inserts.

Do you like pain and suffering? If yes, go for the inserts as well as trying to do tubeless for the first time 😀

As above - work down to the pressure that suits & then only turn to inserts (or burlier tyres) if you feel the need.

I've never used inserts and I'm a pretty heavy rider. Never had an issue that would be solved by an insert yet.

I've been running tubeless for 15 years without even thinking about inserts and whilst I don't do anything extreme, I don't know why you'd go for inserts unless you were persistently flatting or mangling your current set up. My tubeless rims and tyres were fine running at 15psi at Megavalanche in 2012...

People managed before inserts came along.

I am quite light but sometimes rim-out at the right pressure for the grip. I fixed it by going for a thicker sidewall.

Thanks all 🙂

Wasn't really thinking about the rim protection side of things (though I guess that's the main purpose), rather that people seem to say they give a better feel for the tyre overall in terms of allowing lower (and therefore betterer?) pressures without squirm.
Probably overthinking things as usual!

...people seem to say they give a better feel for the tyre overall in terms of allowing lower (and therefore betterer?) pressures without squirm

Think people just like to find a decent excuse for spaffing loads of cash on stuff they don't really need.

I don’t know why you’d go for inserts unless you were persistently flatting or mangling your current set up.

This ^^^

If you're this late to the tubeless party, I'm guessing you don't pinch flat much even with normal tubes. So you don't need inserts. Easy.

Think people just like to find a decent excuse for spaffing loads of cash on stuff they don’t really need.

Just because your riding doesn't warrant them, doesn't mean they don't perform a valuable service for many of us.

To the OP: Just go tubeless to start with, you probably won't want inserts - but if you keep battering your rim or cutting tyres near the bead, it's something you might want to consider.

They're the sort of thing that you'll know when you need them.

I’ve not found the need for inserts, can run really low pressures and find a pressure that suits you and your riding.
Switching from tubes, you’ll notice the extra grip and comfort from riding the lower pressures, just don’t start off silly otherwise you can get too much roll and give an unstable ride

What would you do if you damaged a rim?
So if the answer to that is "I couldn't get to work" or similar then it may be worth it.
If the answer is I'd just stick another wheel on when I got home then it's probably not.

There is a whole load between those two... that will help you decide.

i.e. if you are away all week and would miss riding the next weekend and the one after vs say working from home and getting a rim delivered next day and re-building a wheel that evening.

My lad just wrecked a rim on a Sunday ... but by Wed I found a replacement a mate had and had built the wheel back up by the Friday. Much as it would have been nice not to have to do this it was probably not much more effort than fitting an insert and cost me less (£20 and a Pint).

Worst case I could have got a brand new rim and even a super tough one (like a EX511) would only cost me £70 (or about the same as many pairs of inserts)