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Hidden on the spec of this rather fancy new Raaw Madonna. Big Betty, new rear specific tyre, in Super Trail casing, and the Magic Mary also in Super Trail.
https://www.bike-components.de/en/RAAW-Mountain-Bikes/Madonna-V2-Industry-s-Choice-p78732/
Look good. Bet they’ll cost a fair whack though.
Well spotted. Bike looks very tasty... except the bottle and tube ruining the pics!
Wonder what super trail brings to the table that super gravity didn't? Still quite miffed that they've discontinued the SG Rock Razor in 29er, that's probably the best tyre they've ever made
Guessing Super Trail is a shade lighter than SG. EXO+, basically.
Wonder what super trail brings to the table that super gravity didn’t? Still quite miffed that they’ve discontinued the SG Rock Razor in 29er, that’s probably the best tyre they’ve ever made
I could Google, but you're like a tyre search engine, they still do them in tweener size?
Wow, that bike comes with stuff already strapped to it? Talk about #fullenduro.
Not sure about the white paintjob though.
Good sleuthing on the tyres anyway, that new carcass should be a winner for the front of my enduro bike and the back of my trail bike, iykwim.
Bet they’ll cost a fair whack though.
I usually pay about £35 a piece for super gravity or snakeskin ones, best bang for buck when it comes to MTB tyres.
Brexit might **** that up though.
Found em Northy 👌🏻
Can't find any info on these, nowt on the website yet, wonder when the big unveil will be. They don't look particularly fast rolling but a casing between snakeskin and super gravity would be great.
Nobeerinthefridge
MemberFound em Northy 👌🏻
Where? I could do with a fresh one!
that makes sense why i couldnt get a SG rock razor in 29 inch recently!
Will be interesting to see what this new rear tyre is like, a possible Hans Dampf replacement?!
wonder when the big unveil will be.
I'm sure mboy will be along shortly to confirm or deny the existence of any new products for the UK market. 🙂
While Schwalbe's enduro tyre line-up is nice and simple, I've thought a few times that they could do with something between the Hans and Mary. Looks like the Betty could be a good solution to that first-world problem.
Hopefully this pic will work...
And I see the bike is actually raw, not white - so I retract my previous criticism. Raw is great.
Where? I could do with a fresh one!
650B, not the daft size 😉
hasnt the betty been out for ages. like a mud tire?
There was a Betty 10 years or so ago, which I think got dropped along with the Fat Albert.
It was clearly a different tread pattern, but still an all-rounder...
Dirty Dan is their mud tyre.
i cant seem to find any pics of the new one
chakaping
And I see the bike is actually raw, not white – so I retract my previous criticism. Raw is great.
Except the wheels, they look awful
seems to look just like a mary?
Except the wheels, they look awful
They remind me of my old Crossmax SX, so I approve of them myself.
seems to look just like a mary?
I wouldn't agree with that, here's a Mary...
Commencal are also offering the new Super Trail tyres on some of their Meta and Clash models so hopefully we'll get some more info soon from Schwalbe.
https://www.commencal-store.co.uk/meta-am-29-team-c2x31379264
Ah you bastard Nobeer! You had me excited.I will stick to my hybrid wheels thanks.
chakaping
SubscriberWhile Schwalbe’s enduro tyre line-up is nice and simple, I’ve thought a few times that they could do with something between the Hans and Mary.
TBF they could do with just making the Hans better. IMO there isn't really a gap there, it's just that the hans dampf isn't that good and the mary is excellent, so the performance gap is wider than it should be.
The old Betty was horrible but it looks like they've only kept the name
What about that tread pattern, better pics needed but the ramping looks interesting, suggests a nice predictable transfer to the cornering nobs, but how well do we think it'll roll and brake.
Theres a video on the Facebook page that they posted up yesterday, has a quick glimpse at the tread pattern, about 2:30.
I’m sure mboy will be along shortly to confirm or deny the existence of any new products for the UK market.
What would you say if I denied all knowledge...? 🤔🤷🏻♂️
Radon posted a few photos on Instagram nearly a month ago now showing the 2021 Aluminium Swoop with Big Betty on the rear and Magic Mary on the front.
Searched at the time and there were no Google hits since around 2007.
EnduroMTB have the new Cube range displayed in an article and one of those is specced with a Big Betty on the back
if it rolls well i want one!
What would you say if I denied all knowledge…?
I'd smile and wonder when the press embargo was being lifted 🤔
I’d smile and wonder when the press embargo was being lifted 🤔
Oh that'll be today then 😀
When/where can I get a super trail rock razor for my 29er?
Oh that’ll be today then 😀
I notice that the tyres are being listed as 2.4, have they actually been beefed up by 0.05 or have Schwalbe found a new measuring device?
that betty looks good but only in really heavy casings 🙁
that nobby nic actually looks good as well. maybe better than the hans dampf?
Super Gravity seems to have increased in weight - 1363g for a 29er Betty SG is about par with a DH Dual Ply Maxxis
Super Trail seems to be what Super Gravity was before now.
I’d smile and wonder when the press embargo was being lifted 🤔
Oh that’ll be today then 😀
No flies on you eh! 😉
Whats with the trump-esque SUPER adjective in front of the *all* names? Is this to differentiate them from non-super tyres or is it just a waste of 5 letters?
Do they still come with the optional departing side knobs?
dont know what to get now.
the betty is way too heavy. do i try the new NN or stick to HD that is average at best
that betty looks good but only in really heavy casings
Pinkbike have a chart from Schwalbe suggesting it comes in the "super trail", which should be about as light as people would want to go.
The STW article appears to be incorrect in saying it's SG and DH only.
Do they still come with the optional departing side knobs?
They're optional???
so where can i buy one?
They're not on sale yet, are they?
Perhaps @mboy can help with ETA for UK?
They might show up on German sites first though, I'd guess.
it would be interesting to see what that nn is like tbh.
the old one was rubbish but this looks more like it
I think if they ever make a good Nobby Nic it's one of the signs of the end times.
(posted this on the front page article but I'll repost here)
So Superground is basically Just A Tyre and Supertrail is kind of Snakeskin Done Right At Last? And Supergravity is more or less the same as old supergravity, ie really bloody good.
and Super Race wears a pointy white hat?
what does sign of the end times mean?
Super Gravity has put on about 150g, and Super Trail has sneaked in between that and SnakeSkin
Either side of DoubleDown, it looks like
Super Gravity has put on about 150g
Could the extra width account for all of that increase?
Could the extra width account for all of that increase?
50p its the same as a 2.35"
honourablegeorge
MemberSuper Gravity has put on about 150g, and Super Trail has sneaked in between that and SnakeSkin
The Super Ground adds tread-face puncture protection, which ime has always been the problem with snakeskin, so that's a good addition. Though I'd still say just makes the tyres fit for purpose rather than really being a big upgrade.
just makes the tyres fit for purpose rather than really being a big upgrade
Cheer up grumpy😀 If they are now fit for purpose I think that is a big upgrade and I may even buy my first Schwalbe tyre in a few years
Boom. Quoting 1200g for 29x2.4 Mary or Betty in Super Trail. DHR2 29 WT MaxxGrip DoubleDown is 1170g.
https://www.bike-components.de/en/s/?keywords=super%20trail
Looks like the 27.5 super trail Magic Mary is heavier than the current super gravity and the snakeskin will no longer be available, so thats a 250g gain if you're a snakeskin MM user, maybe it's a good time to stock up on the sub 1kg versions.
I may, for the first-time in years, have to put matching tyre brands on, finally a schwalbe fit to pair with a Mary 😊
Its a bit frustrating I won't be able to get snakeskin equivalent magic marys anymore.
Boom. Quoting 1200g for 29×2.4 Mary or Betty in Super Trail. DHR2 29 WT MaxxGrip DoubleDown is 1170g.
https://www.bike-components.de/en/s/?keywords=super%20trail/blockquote >
15 euro delivery is a bit of a killer!
So if I was to buy a Mary, to be used on the front of a trail bike, which is the one to go for? 2.4" Super Trail at a guess. Would be replacing a 2.5" Maxxis Exo Assegai/DHF.
2.4 Super Trail is the lightest Mary they do now, but it's more than 300g heavier than the current 2.35 Snakeskin
So if I was to buy a Mary, to be used on the front of a trail bike, which is the one to go for? 2.4″
I'd recommend the 2.6in Apex Snakeskin soft version, it doesn't roll much slower or weigh much more than the smaller ones and it grips better.
I stopped caring so much about tyre weight some time ago when I realized that that can be easily offset with some weeks worth of fitness adaptation, while there's little I could do to improve reliability (was going through a set of Exo tyres every couple of months at the time).
I'm fine with a tyre weighting up to 1200g or even a little more, plus insert, if that really warrants reliability.
I've read somewhere that part of Schwalbe's scope for the new range was to save users the need for inserts, which would account for a 100-200g saving per wheel. However I couldn't find any extra details on how do they expect to meet that claim.
Used a DD rear Aggressor for 8 months, awful thread pattern (this is like, my opinion dude) but very durable, zero issues. Installed a set of Michelin Wild Enduros a month ago and already have a deepish slash on the rear one, not impressed.
This Schwalbe range makes it clear on the intended use of each tyre and casing.
I’ve read somewhere that part of Schwalbe’s scope for the new range was to save users the need for inserts
Huh weird, as they bloody invented them!
Used a DD rear Aggressor for 8 months, awful thread pattern (this is like, my opinion dude) but very durable, zero issues. Installed a set of Michelin Wild Enduros a month ago and already have a deepish slash on the rear one, not impressed.
While I trashed a DD aggressor in 3 rides while my Wild Enduros have lasted a year without fault. Not sure anecdotal sample sizes of 1 prove anything!
Yes, I completely agree that my anecdotal experience proves nothing, but considering that it was on the same trails, same riding style, it leaves a bad taste in one's mouth nonetheless. And the Wild Enduros compound is objectively softer and faster wearing than the Aggressor I had, so that's minus 1 point for durability.
Anyway, I've read the insert thing on Pinkbike, here's their quote:
"In some cases, the tires have gained a few grams compared to previous versions, but Schwalbe's intention with the extra reinforcement was to allow riders to run the tires without needing to use any inserts, an interesting change of course from the company that brought Procore to the market back in 2014."
https://m.pinkbike.com/news/schwalbe-announces-5-new-tire-casings-and-2-new-tread-patterns.html
Edit: added link to Pinkbike's article
I've had the same experience with Wild Enduro as Zezaskar, good front tyre but the wear rate and eventual air loss on both was frustrating and wear on the rear was comically fast. Mine lasted about 3 months maybe 450 -500 miles. Rear is dead, front's got a bit of life left in it, but leaks like a sieve
I've drawn up a little comparison table to try and find my ideal tyre, assuming more weight (manufacturer listed) = more protection.
In last 12 months I've found a Wild Endure rear (1160g), and a DHRII Exo+ (1010g) to both be too fragile (hardtail, pool noodle, 30mm rim and rocks).
If I went Maxxis I would probably choose a DHRII or Dissector DD (1190g/1176g), although the full DH casing isn't much heavier (1265g/1280g). However I have had 3 Maxxis tyres go wobbly in last year), so I don't want to go Maxxis again.
A Super Gravity Big Betty (1320g) is heavier than the Maxxis.
So I think Super trail is for me (at 1200g).
Or Super Gravity without an insert perhaps.
More thinking time yet before purchase.
Edit: this is for a rear tyre, probably 29x2.4
Pretty happy with my Mary 2.6 on the front, Addix soft