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Alu 5010
http://www.santacruzbicycles.com/en/au/bronson
Lots of new price points and spec levels too but I guess haterz will still be hating 😉
yep, overpriced 1x fascist golf club on wheels.
Gimme a Liteville any day.
forgot the vital link with a bit more
http://www.vitalmtb.com/features/First-Look-2017-Santa-Cruz-and-Juliana-Line,1413?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=spotlight
and the new tall boy yellow is very nice;)
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They're like T5s around our way - beautiful and high quality bits of kit but are so common, you're just like, meh, yawn. I can't get my head around how such a large proportion of bikers I know can afford to own both.
somebody's stuck fox stickers on that pike up top 😕
I can't get my head around how such a large proportion of bikers I know can afford to own both.
From my experience they cost about the same at the top end as a lot of other brands - comparible to the s-works pricing for example. I guess the Alu models brings back the middle ground again that they moved out of a few years back. US prcing looks very keen too - well until the USD/GBP rate gets applied...
I think the fork is the new Fox Rhythm OEM/Budget range
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I can't get my head around how such a large proportion of bikers I know can afford to own both.
Because they probably don't. Who owns a car these days? - majority are PCP aren't they where a relatively low monthly amount is paid to 'hire' the car for 3 years before giving it back and starting with another one.
No heckler, superlight or chameleon. New owners no history
Good to see lower price points appearing. It will be aluminium bronsons on the back of the t5s in the post brexit exchange rate world.
A bit like Jim up there, everyone and they're dog has one round here.
Hmmm, no colour change on the Nomad which is a shame, but the spec has been altered quite a bit. Don't want 1x12 eagle or RF rims and DT hubs and not showing any fork upgrades ether 😕
I used to love Santa Cruz bikes having owned a few but I just don't fancy them anymore. Do nothing for me, especially at the prices they're being knocked out for. Meh.
interesting they've upped the forks from 160mm to 170mm across the nomad range
might have to give that a try, ive always ran mine at 160mm, but a few folk have run theres at 170mm and said it felt better too
Its a pity as SC used to be a bit of a different brand that not everyone had. These days everyone has/wants one and the new aluminium option makes it more accessible to all.
If the bikes were not so well designed and didn't ride beautifully then i would be looking elsewhere.
There is a lot of specialised riders down our way and that always put me off.
I don't consider myself elitist, just like to be original.
I do own a 5010CC and a T5 though, maybe i should be shot at dawn?
Its a pity as SC used to be a bit of a different brand that not everyone had. These days everyone has/wants one and the new aluminium option makes it more accessible to all.
If the bikes were not so well designed and didn't ride beautifully then i would be looking elsewhere.
Wow.
They'll still be overpriced, not slack enough, too short in Reach and too tall in Stack.
They'll still be overpriced, not slack enough, too short in Reach and too tall in Stack.
And still hold nobody back, it's amazing people buy them....
I can't justify cost of SC but fairplay to those do, keeps bike industry people in work and they run/support a great dh team
I don't consider myself elitist
Oh.
Everyone else does.
I think that SC accounts for about 1/3 of all the bikes I see on the trails here in Hong Kong, they are so de rigueur...but being an ex. TRc owner I can see why they are popular and now the have changed that bottom pivot design I would consider one again.
got an old heckler and love it, quite like the look of a lot of their current line up but prices have just gotten silly, couldn't give a monkeys about whether they are niche or common as muck. If the ali frames are sensible prices then I may get one, we'll see. But unless I decide to treat myself, money (almost) no object then I'll probably go for 2nd hand or a last season's discounted deal (which SC don't do)
If the ali frames are sensible prices then I may get one, we'll see.
The UK prices are not up yet but going by the usual conversion factors I'd say the Bronson will be about 1800, a 5 is 1600... The Pound/Dollar will be the issue
Alu frames £1600, bikes from £2500.
Prices *should* hold until Sept at least, here's hoping that the £/$ recovers somewhat by then.
Email me info@18bikes.co.uk for more details. We have pricing, but have a BIG job to get those live on the webshop!
Going back to the OP's original post, does this mean it's the end of the line for the single pivot Superlight and Heckler models?
Discontinued afaik, yep. May be some stock left if folks are interested.
Alu frames £1600, bikes from £2500.
Thats a full bike for less than a Specialized frame 😉
https://www.specialized.com/gb/gb/bikes/mountain/all-mountain/sworks-enduro-29-frame/106627
from memory when the pound was doing really well against the dollar, something like 1:1.8 the RRP conversion was still 1:1, so I'd expect it to be at least the USD price, possibly higher if/when the pound sinks further.The Pound/Dollar will be the issue
edit simon has posted prices while I was (slowly) responding
🙁Discontinued afaik, yep.
Needs a cheaper DH bike in the line-up, bullit, super 8 type thing.
Why is there an such a stupid unnecessary hatred of Santacruz bikes? They make bikes for riding round pointlessly in the woods. They are not going to cure cancer or solve world peace. Its for fun. If you can afford one and want one then buy one. If you cant afford one or don't want one then don't buy one.
My experience of owning two has been very good. I'm not fat, I'm not rich, I don't have an audi or a T5 and I ride my bikes a lot and work hard to pay for them. I didn't hate them before I bought one and Everyone who has ever spoke to me about my nomad in the real world has been very positive apart from 2 people who I wouldn't listen to anyway. One who has a specialised he cleans but barely rides and fat bloke who didn't think I would do some jumps because I was on a santacruz.
Most of the internet hate I think comes down to jealousy, They are expensive and probably no better than many other bikes available but a lot of the hate just comes across as childish jealousy.
I love my two and would definitely buy another.
I also think they make some of the nicest looking well designed bikes available. You never hear of a nomad owner moaning about spending an hour threading an internal cable or wear on a badly designed linkage.
Some of the comments on this thread 😯
I'm glad they haven't changed the nomad just yet. Means mine hasn't become rubbish over night and only good for the bin.
Interestingly i have 170mm on the front of mine and there were no negatives going from 160mm. I don't think the axle to crown was much different though from the forks I had (fox 34 20014 - fox 36 2016). I will say though that I cant tell it has an extra 10mm in a good way either. It feels good at both.
andysredmini, some people are just funny like that. Don't pay any attention to the attention seekers - it's their problem not yours. Ride your bike and enjoy it. I do.
@simon thanks. Personally I'd rather give my money to Cotic and Cy
As for Hong Kong I think with taxes at 15% people like to have a little luxury in their lives
As for Hong Kong I think with taxes at 15% people like to have a little luxury in their lives
Take a look at Rotorua, more SC's than I've seen in a long time.
Some great pricing on the Alu frames now, good bike prices too
Anyone know anywhere that still has a Heckler frame in Large ?
As with most bikes/frames call your local SC dealer, they will call the importer and ship one to you in exchange for cash.
childish jealousy.
*envy.
Or, more fittingly in some cases, enve.
They do some nice bikes, but they seriously need to sort out the colour schemes they choose. They pretty much all look dreadful.
"As with most bikes/frames call your local SC dealer, they will call the importer and ship one to you in exchange for cash."
Santacruz dont have them in stock anymore - I was wondering if anyone had seen one on display in a shop somewhere gathering dust
Fair enough, thought there would be more about as they only seem to have taken it down yesterday. I'd probably still go that route as the importer can bang an email out to all their dealers seeing who still has stock (works locally with some other brands)
A few years back the Oz importer was trying to get hold of a frame out of the US if they had some left on the next shipping container so always worth asking.
Santacruz dont have them in stock anymore - I was wondering if anyone had seen one on display in a shop somewhere gathering dust
Pretty sure North West Mountain Bike Centre have one, they may still have one as a complete bike too [url= http://www.nwmtb.com/p/12259/Santa-Cruz-Heckler-Frame-Only-(Orange)-2016 ]LinkyMcLink[/url]
...and for what it's worth, they are still a great ride. Rode one on a test ride 12 months ago and thought it was great.
Santa Cruz make amazing bikes I've had several since the late 90's and loved them all. Bombproof, good looking and ride well if you like a short bike. However I'm just not rich enough anymore. Last one I priced up was 4k+ for very middling kit so I cheaped out and got something else but I'd buy another in a heartbeat if I didn't have kids, dogs a mortgage and all that shite. .
excitable1 - Member
Santacruz dont have them in stock anymore - I was wondering if anyone had seen one on display in a shop somewhere gathering dust
Pretty sure North West Mountain Bike Centre have one, they may still have one as a complete bike too LinkyMcLink...and for what it's worth, they are still a great ride. Rode one on a test ride 12 months ago and thought it was great.
They do and its in the sale they are currently having and comes in Large, Black/Yellow with "free" Pike forks according to their earlier FB post
They do and its in the sale they are currently having and comes in Large, Black/Yellow with "free" Pike forks according to their earlier FB post
Its sold 8-(
Shame there's no Heckler. The one I bought in 2014 is the best bike I've owned, handles Wales has to offer. Also, only ever seen one other Heckler and I'm a Afan local! 😀
had a mk 1 superlight for years, then a mk 1 bullit, then a blur lt and now one of the last ever bullit. The swoopy top tube is what did it for me.
Never could afford one new, all mine were 2nd hand ebay bargains..........
Nice to see the new range though, I'll be having a 2nd hand CC Nomad in 2019 when they've depreciated into my price bracket!
My mate loves them, saved hard and managed to get one of the MK1 Bronson's. I. Find them really short, so can't get on with them when I've ridden them.
All top end or boutique bikes are crazy prices now not just SC.
Yes, but remember, SC are not boutique [i]enough[/i] for STW 😉
No aluminium Hightower? Bloody typical, would have been tempted by that, the carbon frames are well out of my range!
no_eyed_deer - Member
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LoL!!! 😆
The hatred for Santa Cruz bikes tends usually comes from the people who want one but can't have one. I've had a 5010 a tallboy LT and now a Hightower and I personally have enjoyed riding everyone of them.
Good customer service, free bearing replacement and a lifetime warranty in my opinion you get what you pay for and its obvious that many others share the same view.
I don't see any real hatred on this thread tbh, just some differing opinions.
munkyboy - MemberGood to see lower price points appearing. It will be rusty OnOne Scandal SS'ers on the back of the t5s in the post brexit exchange rate world.
FIFY
The hatred for Santa Cruz bikes tends usually comes from the people who want one but can't have one.
Santa Cruz was once a rare, pioneering and daring brand who tried things and were rightly placed into the 'aspirational' category, where you had to know something about bikes to get one and build it up right for it to be any good. They have now built themselves past that into mainstream success (good for them). However a few who buy them still brandish that ownership as something special, unique even, but its not, its buying a bike from a shop, one of hundreds if not thousands the same, no different to a top end trek or specialized.
Any hatred is of those few, and may have rubbed off onto the bikes as its often those few who post them on the internet 😆
No hate from me but tried one, didn't like it so have not really considered another since.
5010 frameset $1899=£1432
So that's cheaper than my orange 5 frame..
Assuming the price conversion is as above..
SC make bikes that are as good as anything else, and better than many. Certainly better made than the higher end giants I own. Criticism can be levelled at pretty much any manufacturer, perhaps with the exception of Turner (no, I don't own one), but even they could be accused of being slightly tame or unadventurous. How many "aspirational" brands are out there?
Liteville; comically thin tube walls, we have all seen the dints in the downtubes on pretty much ever used one.
Yeti; you will use the warranty.
Evil; you would love to use the warranty but you don't get one.
Spesh; corporate giant with a history of shoddy behaviour, and hardly ever change models.
Giant; nice but not exactly pulse racing.
Scott; CRAZY pricing.
The direct sales mob will probably get my business, but they are far from ideal in CS terms.
Goldigger - Member
5010 frameset $1899=£1432
So that's cheaper than my orange 5 frame..
The official pricing was on Page 1, - US prices have no sales tax applied so you need to factor in about 5% import duty and then 20% VAT on top of that. Which makes these first bacth of frames really good on the import.
simonbowns - Member
Alu frames £1600, bikes from £2500.Prices *should* hold until Sept at least, here's hoping that the £/$ recovers somewhat by then.
Email me info@18bikes.co.uk for more details. We have pricing, but have a BIG job to get those live on the webshop!
Weird pricing. Generally expensive for dud specs. Carbon C models way more expensive now as well.
Lovely looking bikes, nice colours, expensive but for me the spec is so week for the money and the suspensions seem too big for my local conditions.
Some times I wish I wasn't such a tight northerner, let alone an even tighter Yorkshire man
Common as muck, no in West Yorkshire were every bugger has got an orange , only sc I've ever seen was far too clean.., nearly offered to rip it through the woods for the guy
I wish they'd do an alu nomad.
They don't come with dust caps, I'm out.
Shame they don't do the Ali Bronson In green, I could then swap my green 5 frame out and the mrs wouldn't notice..
Anybody know the shock length? Could get my CCDB air CS length changed by TF tuned, and get the rear wheel built up for a 148mm hub. Unless I can add different hope adaptors? (Currently 142mm)
nobody asked but what is the weight difference between the Solo alu frame and the carbon Frame?
I'm hoping that one day I manage to get hold of a Hightower Carbon C 29 but these seem to have gone up by around £300 overnight for 2016-17 so whilst slightly annoying I was expecting some sort of future price hike with £-$ currency changing.