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That there Ed bloke with the beard has one too.

S'alright I suppose....

https://twitter.com/GreatRock/status/387567799129743360/photo/1

I like the look of it. Are there any geo numbers anywhere? I think Brant's quoting £599 for a frame, which sounds pretty good.

Toying with the idea of a trailsy 29er and this keeps jumping out at me. (Along with a prime!!!) It will be Xmas indeed when it lands. Loved my ti456 and loving my Fireline Evo at mo too.

Any insight on where the £599 price came from and what shock is to be incl? Last I saw it was a maybe for a ccdb!

It looks slightly... squashy, perhaps? Like the horizontal and the vertical are off two different bikes. Nice, though.

I think the whyte t129 looks better

Presumably it'll actually fit decent width rear tyre (unlike the whyte).

Fair point

My yelli will be finding a new home to make way for one

Me thinks it a 67 ha, 440mm stays, 130mm travel. Think I read steep SA so guessing 73-74 def ish.

Be interesting to see sizing. Hoping for a 19" large... Hint hint Brant. Oh and a bit of a long front end so ETT of 24-24.5" be nice too.

But then design by committee isn't really the way these things are done. Anyone got any other rumours on this?

Very interested in this too....!

has he mentioned seat post diameter yet? Really hoping for 31.6 as it's an aluminium frame and not 30.9

Historically (np mega) Brant likes a steeper SA (which would help with tyre clearance issues) and shorter tt's.But he's has been playing with teeny weeny stems so fingers crossed for a nice looong tt (640ish on a lg pleeeaaase Mr R)

The pikes look great in white with black stanchions. Just have a feeling that 140mm travel and 29" wheels make me wonder about standover.

I think the prototype Ed Oxley was testing (Waves) was supposed to be 16", which is good news for stumpy blokes like me, as the Banshee is in M and larger only. We'll see.
Under £600 for a frame is pretty amazing, frankly.

I like the clean/simple frame design but will it be fun to ride? On One seem to have a habit of making their bikes quite long and stable which isn't much fun!

No 27.5 version? 🙁

I read somewhere they are going to be 799 with CCDB air.

I find it funny your all begging for a certain geo when they are already designed and built 😆

Anyway, what forks are people going to put on these? I was tempted to wait as it seems like a good deal, however a decent fork negates any saving so have just stuck with 26" again until forks are not stoopid money.

Nice. Seems a bit overkill for the Surrey Hills and I think I'd prefer 26"/650b for AM trips away so I'll hold on for the 650b

No 27.5 version?

It does say in bent udders linky in his op that they have 650b samples they are working on

I've nowt on today so I'll drag out some reach dimensions.
That's the only sensible thing to go off really.

£599 with a Monarch R. I hope we can do £799 with CCDB.
We are certainly going hard to the market with this one.
We priced a build with Sektors, Monarch R, X9 clutch mech and SRAM Mrp chain device, X9 hubs and Pacenti rims with Smorgasbord tyres at £1499. Or £1999 with hop ups to a Pike, Reverb and CCDB.

I don't think we will sell millions, but it's the trail suspension bike we wanted to do. Kind of stupid. Not commercial. But just no nonsense and fun.

Come on then, I'm tempted.
What's the eta?

Hoping its crimbo I hear.. But guess that depends on a Lotta things!.

looking fwd to those numbers Brant.

Hoping its crimbo I hear.. But guess that depends on a Lotta things!.

looking fwd to those numbers Brant.

A 27.5 on-one enduro fs would definitely be something I'd be interested in if it's we came to the table.

a bit less travel, and the ability to run a granny ring, and i'll have one.

(i've only got skinny legs, and a pair of 120mm forks going spare...)

but bloody hell, that's a belter.

Come on Brant where are you with those numbers. I know it ain't available but inexplicably I keep checking this thread every half hour and its decimating me doing owt else!!.

Hows the 7lb plan going by the way too?

Hello.

Reach Dimensions - horizontal from BB centre to top of head tube.
16in - 395mm
18in - 408mm
20in - 430mm

Which to compare with a typical 73deg seat angle gives effective top tube lengths of:-
16in - 600mm (23.6in)
18in - 610mm (24in)
20in - 630mm (24.8in)

The actual "angle of the seat tube" is 70.5deg, and it's offset forward about 35mm. This gives a 73.5deg seat angle at average saddle height. Interestingly, even with 6in of difference in saddle height, the seat position only varies by 3mm fore or aft of a "virtual seat angle". So whilst yes, a taller saddle will have a slacker seat angle, the actual seat angle you'll feel only varies by 0.5deg. So shorties will get a 74deg seat angle, and lanky sods end up at 73deg. Which is why the larger size gets a greater top tube length difference to allow people that want to move forward a bit to move forward without getting things too short.

Oh yes - I guess you can see that the seat tube is straight - it's a key point - as I wanted people to be able to drop a full length 400mm post right down, so those of us that can't afford (or don't want) a dropper post aren't hampered by the saddle in the way. I see quite a few bikes out there that don't have this, and it's just a bit rubbish I think. Post diameter is 31.6mm. Our Neil runs a 30.9mm post with a shim - they are out there. The seat tube is externally butted at the top to guard against the odd cracking you can get on frames where you don't have some seatstays supporting the seat tube.

Chainstay length came in at 440mm, 17.3in. Which gives 6mm clearance between the corner of a Smorgasbord the edge of the chain stay, at the narrowest point. Proper tyres. Proper clearance.

The suspension is optimised for a 32t chainring. 34t will work. 30t would as well I think (we'll check), but 32t offers absolutely perfect performance in terms of anti-squat. The bike climbs incredibly well with a fully open shock, without any requirement for lockout or propedal.

What's the BB height?

Quite interested in a large frameset 😀

It's got a 35mm drop at static. So with big tyres, that's 13.2in.

Brant when will they be available and/ or one in the shop to sit on?
It could be the bike I'm looking for - a full susser with a bit of character.

I'm going to get one built up to production spec for the shop in the next week or so.
Lead time is going to be about two months yet. So I'd bet on early January rather than Christmas.
I just wanted it right, and no point in rushing.

I think I know the answer but is there any chance of stealth dropper routing.

Ideally I'm a 19" man for most of your bikes but they come in 18" or 20" flavours. At least if a I ran a reverb stealth which comes in 150mm flavour I could get the height I'd need.

I think I know the answer but is there any chance of stealth dropper routing.

Ideally I'm a 19" man for most of your bikes but they come in 18" or 20" flavours. At least if a I ran a reverb stealth which comes in 150mm flavour I could get the height I'd need.

I haven't got any issues with people drilling holes in it for Reverb Stealth running, and we were discussing doing that on Thursday. I wanted to run it externally down the downtube, then into the seat tube. Tom thought this was terrible and it had to be internal all the way from the headtube 🙂

It's not going to make this revision, but it has got very well placed Reverb mounts on the top tube side.

All of my want. I could well see this being my new bike next year.

No bottle mounts, no size bigger than 20". Shame as looking at a stumpjumper fsr currently and have a few on one frames already

One of the great things about Specialized is that they have such a huge global market, it's feasible for them to make bikes for people outside the bell-curve of what's economic for smaller manufacturers like us. With a minimum production quantity per size, we'd have to order about three years worth of, say a 22in frame to make it worthwhile, which just isn't sensible for us.

It doesn't have bottle cage mounts, no.

Yes, but i've got two of your 21" 29er frames and going down another size will just leave a silly amount of post sticking out. (On reason i git rid of the 26" inbread).
Still a dirty harry is on the list for a future build.

How tall are you Dean? And what dimension is your saddle top from your BB centre (out of interest).

Which to compare with a typical 73deg seat angle gives effective top tube lengths of:-
16in - 600mm (23.6in)
18in - 610mm (24in)
20in - 630mm (24.8in)

How does that compare with your hardtails? Am I right in thinking my scandal 29er is shorter than my C456 (both 16")? I was actually thiking I should swap my scandal for the 18" but not sure if it will be too high.

Talking of which - any info on the stand over with Pikes and smorgasbords on a 16"? I'm safe at present on the Scandal with 100mm rebas but an extra 40mm might be pushing it (or them) literally, upwards!

bigdean - Member

Yes, but i've got two of your 21" 29er frames and going down another size will just leave a silly amount of post sticking out. (On reason i git rid of the 26" inbread).

That's an odd reason for getting rid of a bike. If the TT is the right length, then what does it matter whether the bit between saddle and BB is frame or post?

Any chance of making them in colour? Any colour will do; just nothing that appears on a greyscale.

That's an odd reason for getting rid of a bike. If the TT is the right length, then what does it matter whether the bit between saddle and BB is frame or post?

I do know someone with a large 26" inbred who has trouble getting seat posts long enough and strong enough. So it does cause problems sometimes.

Aye kinda know what you mean. Had a lot of seatpost showing on my ti456 18". Just a bit concerned that my non stealth 125mm reverb will be long enough. If a reverb stealth holey was in there it'd pave the way to use 150mm drop post and make an 18" work for me.

But of course that then doesn't suit everyone else. Its all a compromise at the end of the day.

Don't know much about anything re the codeine apart from the fact Ed was enjoying his a LOT on our last trip and it definitely does go round switchbacks!
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Brant, how about some more info on the 45650b and other bikes that are due? Might help me keep my wallet in my pocket and wait!

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Anyone wanna buy an xl yelli screamy?

How tall are you Dean? And what dimension is your saddle top from your BB centre (out of interest).

EDIT: Give up, i cant seem to get the pics to link.

820mm bb to saddle top... let's see.

A 20in frame is 508mm.
A 400mm seatpost gives you 300mm extension out of the frame.
A saddle adds about 20-30mm above the clamp on the post.

So that's 508+300+25=833mm.

So you're not even at maximum extension on a 20in frame by my reckoning.

Whilst yer here Mr R...what eye to eye/stroke shock length is it? ta

190x50

#Rummages around under workbench feverishly....

Will the production version be white brant?

I think we'll have a white, a colour (I quite fancy orange) and a super raw.

Orange will do me fine thanks 🙂

I really like the look of this. A replacement for the spesh fsr xc next year maybe 😉

So a saddle to bb of 865mm puts me out, balls!
Being 6ft 9in has certain downsides.

I haven't got any issues with people drilling holes in it for Reverb Stealth running

Why not just buy a LEV????

820mm bb to saddle top... let's see.

A 20in frame is 508mm.
A 400mm seatpost gives you 300mm extension out of the frame.
A saddle adds about 20-30mm above the clamp on the post.

So that's 508+300+25=833mm.

So you're not even at maximum extension on a 20in frame by my reckoning.

Hmm well the 21" inbread feels better than the 20" did and not bent a seat post on the 21" yet unlike the 20". Not that far from the shffield shop so will come have a sit on one when they're in. Am open to be proved wrong

Edit. Ignore me

Quick edit
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What did I miss?

Still just single ring up front though, right? No front mech.

What's headtube length and headset size gonna be. Somink short n low stack?

Or £1999 with hop ups to a Pike, Reverb and CCDB. - when can we order these?

Still just single ring up front though, right? No front mech.

What's headtube length and headset size gonna be. Somink short n low stack?

Or £1999 with hop ups to a Pike, Reverb and CCDB. - when can we order these?

Thanks for the interest on this everyone. I'll be a bit out of communication for the next week as I'm off to China and Taiwan for the week, then back next Saturday to "Dj" at Citycross in Halifax.

I'll keep an eye on this thread.

What a great bike in prospect and a bloody bargain at 2k !

Academic but how come no flush lower headset, (I.e 56mm)?

Academic but how come no flush lower headset, (I.e 56mm)?

I try to keep things standard across our range of bikes, and the Smoothie Mixer has been a standard at our company for a number of years now.

I am looking to move and sample with an internal integrated headset (FSA Orbit C-40 ACB) which is what we use on our road bikes, but am willing to listen (a bit) to suggestions.

That's cool.....straight swap offa the canfield

Strange to name a bike after a drug that makes you feel really drowsy and hung over. The name would put me off buying it.

There's a story behind the name (and if the name of a bike stops you buying it then I'd be changing your medication).
I personally think it should be called Vicks,Anusol or Buttercup.

If bike names didn't provoke a response then manufacturers wouldn't bother thinking up names, it's all marketing innit? So Rorschach, if you really think that somone who dislikes a particular name must be on "medication", perhaps it's you who needs the medication?
Would you ride a bike called "Lil-let"? 😉

Looks good, but does that mean the El Guapo 29er is now dead in the water and won't make production?

I thought that the smoothie mixer might be the reason. Might be worth the extra inventory tho to get that front end down an extra 15mm or so. (Slave) fitted a pike 150 to my 20" Titus Evo and it did feel pretty tall! so took it off til I can get a shorter air spring!.

Tis looking good all the same aside from not fitting me and slightly high front end 😆 It may be a third Brant bike for me.

Will keep my eyes peeled next week!.

brant - Member

I am looking to move and sample with an internal integrated headset (FSA Orbit C-40 ACB) which is what we use on our road bikes, but am willing to listen (a bit) to suggestions.

Nahhhh. Never convinced the danger of damaging the frame is as real as people think, but, choice is good- let people fanny around with anglesets etc if they choose (the more-money-than-sense crowd on here will all want to fit £1000 artisan headsets and integrated doesn't have enough space for logos either)

As a wise man once said(me) to someone(not you ,obviously)
"FFS love.It's a chuffin' push bike not a handbag you dosey tit".

None of my bikes have a name and I don't do handbags either! Anyway you didn't answer my question: would you buy a bike called a "Lil-let", or maybe a rufty-tufty name like "mrs tiggy-winkle"? 😛