[Closed] New Orange P7.

I do like the look of the new Crush, very nice lines.

The p7 looks good but is 65ha too slack?

the p7 looks great. im so glad its back. just don't have anymore room for bikes 😥

when will it be for sale, thats the question.
Frame only hopefully.

Shouldn't it be about P12 by now, P7 was the 7th revision on the Prestige frame

+1 Eddie.... In black too!!!

Looks nice. On my shortlist for new frame in Spring, alongside the new Bfe and Switchback.

Difficult to know what to think. Lots of modern geo long travel HTs about and although I loved my two when I had em, I don't know if I'm all that in love anymore

Slackline is lovely. Nicolai Argon is a thing of beauty. There's a few more about as well that just look gorgeous. I'd love to see the P7 about again but not sure that a 525 tubed heavy frame is as desirable as it once was

Best looking hardtail I have seen for ages. Definitely on the wish list

Looks a bit meh to me.

I take it its a 650?

oh bugger....cannot afford a new bike......

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Sitting on the fence then binnners? 😆

That looks awesome, HA is a bit slack but if you went for a DP Pike you could drop the fork for climbing. Like

Nah,it looks too spindly (says a P7 owner),Crush looks really good though.

P7 is one of my bikes that never was. The old pewter finish with Pace forks was a thing of beauty. I'd love one of those now but it'll do well to usurp the Soul.

It's tempting me that's for sure! Be interested to see the spec's. Should come in the c2w bracket

Properly lovely, I'm a P7 owner too and I've a soft spot for a British designed, steel frame.

That said, my current P7 has been a bit of a shed-Queen for a while as I'm respraying the fork lowers to match. It's a job that can't be rushed (six months and counting).

Looks good.
Looking forward to seeing what Bird come up with. Should be similar geometry with nicer tubing for same/less money.

I've seen a few similar bikes around recently, but my memory is failing:
Bird Zero TR
Pace 127
and...

Shouldn't it be about P12 by now, P7 was the 7th revision on the Prestige frame

Good point

thepodge - Member

Shouldn't it be about P12 by now, P7 was the 7th revision on the Prestige frame

Should probably be about the S3- since it's not made of tange prestige but reynolds scaffold tube.

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That aside... I want a go, looks ace. Though I don't see a price, I'm suspecting it'll have the usual Orange very expensive stickers?

chrishc777 - Member

That looks awesome, HA is a bit slack but if you went for a DP Pike you could drop the fork for climbing.

It doesn't follow that slack bikes aren't good at climbing, my Ragley is 66 IIRC but is a better climber than most- fantastic technical climber, perfectly good plodder. It's about the whole bike, really.

chestrockwell - Member
It's tempting me that's for sure! Be interested to see the spec's. [b]Should come in the c2w bracket[/b]

Steel frame, 1x11 groupo, dropper, renthal finishing kit and made by Orange? I admnire your optimism! 😉

The article says it starts at 1400 so probably priced the same as the crush. Our limit is 1500.

Shouldn't it be about P12 by now, P7 was the 7th revision on the Prestige frame

Shouldn't really even be the P[anything], as I'm fairly sure it was called the Prestige because it was made from Tange Prestige.

Not all Prestige's were made from Prestige. The P7 was never a direct replacement for the Prestige, it was made to do a different job. Saying that, the '7th revision of the frame' stands up as it was definitely the case for the c16/clockwork.

[b]Alex Simon[/b] Looking forward to seeing what Bird come up with. Should be similar geometry with nicer tubing for same/less money.

Any hints / links as to what they're planning?

There was mention of a steel frame a way back:

Not sure if they've posted any updated news on this plan

Price? My guess is 450 for the frame and a 1600 full build that will come down to 1200 in all the shops at sale time and only then will look vaguely reasonable

qwerty - Member
Any hints / links as to what they're planning?

In the early news, there were a couple of hints that they were selecting a very special tubeset for it, but I haven't heard much since - they're incredibly busy fulfilling Aeris orders.

I like that! Looks better than the Richey.
I think it'll cost more than £1600. Halfords (and others) have similar spec without the dropper for £1500. An orange has so be at least 25% more expensive than competitors.

Im still working on it. We tested out some new tubing but it didnt make the grade, so new TT for the next version 🙂

And some new dropouts for extra axle compatibility too I suspect. When all said and done it will be awesome for sure, but its a while off right now Im afraid. We're only going to do 1 steel frame so I'm going to make sure its the shizzle.

I'd like to get it in below Zero cost but thats looking tricky as we're upping the game on the tubing to get the strength/weight ratio just right. So expect about / exactly same as the Zero price wise.

FWIW the final frame will be optimised for Wide Trail wheels... yes a new wheel buzzword for you, but one I actually buy into 😉

below Zero cost

Sounds great. I guess a Zero TR would be a good in-between bike to then swap the frame over.

benpinnick - Member
We're only going to do 1 steel frame

Will it be 650b for sure or any chance it could be 29er?

It will be 27.5. Ive experimented with some dark side prototypes and the issue right now is that by the time I inject enough fun into it (slacker, longer travel etc.) I find I've erased pretty much all the speed while having the downsides of things like heavier wheels etc, which kind of defeats the point of a 29er 🙂

I'll get there soon enough I am sure, but the first incarnation will be alu most likely.

Shirley the UK LTHT originated to slacken HA's, now geometry has evolved into long, low and slack, why can't we have a Slack Short Travel Hard Tail (SSTHT)? More HT travel alters HA as it blows through the travel, buggering up the geometry. Please. And, with 44mm headtubes, bolt through rear axles & 30.9+ ID seat tubes is steel really real when combined with decent tubeless rubber?

 More HT travel alters HA as it blows through the travel, buggering up the geometry.

Stiffen the forks up, if you blow through travel too easy.
It's the nicest looking slack hardtail out there, loving how slack it is! hope it feels nice n lively unlike them on one's 456's

I'm with qwerty, not much choice below 130mm for slack hard tails. I know I could run the forks harder but I dont want to, I want them to feel decent when I'm riding normally as well as caining it (comparatively)

The BTR Ranger hits the spot if you want slack, long, low and shorter travel - 120mm forks, 64 or 64.5 deg head angle and 40 or 55mm BB drop in 26 or 27.5 - not cheap though!

The BTR ranger is exactly what I'm looking for, but at more than twice the price I'm willing to pay. I'd be happy with a Stanton switchback, but still a bit spendy for a hard tail for me. For the price to build one up I could just buy a canyon full suss and be done with it.

People have made short travel slack hardtails before but they either didn't catch on or people put long forks on them anyway because slacker and more travel is always better... apparently

The other way to do it is to change the spring rate curve on a longer fork, so it feels the same as a shorter fork through the first 120mm of travel and then instead of hitting the bump stops it has another 20-40mm of 'emergency travel'. On my Soul I don't go past 120mm of travel unless I've screwed up, and when I do I have 20mm of safety. If I ran 120mm forks it would be a degree steeper, I'd need the bars higher and I would bottom out hard far more often.

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The spring rate thing would do the trick, I expect that pikes with the tokens in would be bob-on on something like a bfe or 456, however, I have very little to spend on bike bits, and everything I can afford tends to be fairly linear.

Tokens are available all the way down to sektors, so its not really a cost of fork issue.

Yes, and it doesn't have to be tokens either - chuck some oil into the air spring of any fork and it'll reduce the volume and cause the rate to ramp up more quickly. My Soul has old Fox 32s which behave like this.

I didn't realise you could use the tokens in sektors, that is interesting. I'd forgotten about the BB height issue though, staying high up in the travel is going to leave the BB high up all the time isn't it? But still, I'd rather that than spend a grand on a BTR

Slacketst nu skool @ 130 is probably Whyte 905.

A fork should be set up to work well as suspension, not adapted to make up for shortfalls in what i'd like in terms of geometry.

[rose tint] Oh - and it wasn't so long ago that 120mm travel [i]was[/i] long travel & all this was fields........ [/rose tint] 😉

Stiffen the forks up, if you blow through travel too easy.

This.

I'm running 140mm RS Revs on my HT but on a typical trail ride it only ever uses about half the travel...which seems about right, why would you want a bike (even a full suss) wallowing in all of its travel for fairly tame trail riding?!

The fork tends to use full travel (or a few mm short) on uplift days only, that's with the air pressure put in that RS recommend on the fork leg, no buggering about with tokens either....I'm slowly coming round to liking air springs and their ease of tuning....i had similar performance from my old coil spring Sektor but that involved swapping the OEM medium spring out for a firm spring from TFtuned...which was obviously more hassle than just playing with a shock pump.

Tokens are now available for some 32mm stanchion forks like the Revelation but I wasn't sure about the Sektor but that's good to know as it's a good fork that performs better than it has any right to for the budget price.

Not having 29ers is the only reason I'm not looking at Bird 🙁
29er are perfect for your local stomping ground Ben.

I didn't realise you could use the tokens in sektors, that is interesting.

Cheers Ben, I'll bear it in mind, not even got any RS Forks at the mo! Still got my crappy suntours

Thing is cokie I have some 29'er prototypes, and try as I might to love them, they just don't set my world on fire.

Sounds like you want some U-turn Lyriks, just dial in the travel you want between 115mm and 160mm. Performance stays broadly the same (ace) at all travel settings. The great news is they're available second hand for buttons due to the fall from grace that's hit 26".

I recently put some Totems on my Jekyll, set the rear to 95mm and the front to 135mm (2-step airs) and it made for a pretty cool setup, short travel, but ultra stiff. Too heavy for a hardtail I'd think, but the performance was exactly what you're after.

Yeah Paul, but what I want is the slackness that you'd get at 140/150mm at 100/120mm too. I'll have to blag a go on some aggro hardtails at varying degrees of slackness before I splash out.

but what I want is the slackness that you'd get at 140/150mm at 100/120mm

+1

How slack is [i]slack[/i] ❓

2016 650b Orange Cloclwork 120 is 67' HA, which is the same as 2015 Crush (in an XC friendly unburly aluminum frame).

Isn't that what the angleset was invented for?

Angleset also lowers BB by X amount, in the current climate of [i]low[/i], that may be a bit too much pedal wackage.

Depends on the headset, if you currently run a ZS56 (The most common) then an Angeset will raise the BB a touch as the +10mm or so of the EC headset is bigger that the extra slack will cause in drop.

Qwerty, I want 66-67 at sag point, 74ish sta. there's plenty of choice of 66-67° static head angle frames, but I was caught out by that with my bizango. My rock rider full suss was too steep at 70° And I thought a 69° ht 29er would be better, and it is, a bit, but I think that's probably more trail than anything else, as soon as it points downwards sharply it gets a bit nervous, and the bars are already a bit high.

I can't use an angle set either, I'm going to have to bodge it slightly to get some decent forks in if I decide to upgrade the voodoo rather than replace, which I might because it's pretty bloody good for the money.

Well, I would consider taking one off your hands for a prolonged period!! If you don't get on with them then maybe I can make use of them 😀 ! Email in my profile 😉

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Steel is certainly real with the new P7! A full reynolds 525 butted CroMo tubeset is backed up with a 65-degree head angle, 430mm chainstays and comes in 4 sizes, all of which sport some fun-loving geometry.

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Oooooooo, I like it!

The blue one please. 8)

Ooooooooo a blue one to replace my blue one. Even better 😀

Wow...i likey!

Any info on price,launch date and if there will be a black one on sale as shown last year??

...no front mech cable stop ??? 🙁

Gar, hadn't noticed that. 😐

...no front mech cable stop ???

Say what?

[url= http://www.mbr.co.uk/videos/bikes-and-equipment/best-hardtails-2016 ]From MBR:[/url]

[i]Like the DMR Trailstar, Orange’s re-launched P7 is also made from butted steel tubing and features 27.5in wheels, internal dropper post routing, ISCG 05 tabs to mount a chain device and is corrected for a 140mm travel fork.

The key difference is the P7 has the facility to mount a front derailleur, which is handy if you want a wider gearing range or you’re considering buying a frame and building it up with an older drievtrain.

Orange will be offering the P7 at £1,450 and it will share the same basic spec as an Orange Crush S.[/i]

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But after my recent Cannonade Trigger purchase, getting it past the committee may prove difficult 😳

Good price and great...who needs a front mech! 😀

Hmmm the MBR story is dated Nov 2015 so price could be a guess.

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P7 S coming in at £1450 what a bargin beeing such a weapon!! Can't wait to ride one of these!!

WTF are those cable guides?

That blue version is absolutely drool-worthy.

I reckon a shiny burgundy colour would probably necessitate me having a cold shower.............

Blue is the RS version with a dropper post hence the cable plus Rental fat bars,only differences i can see

[quote=steel4real ]...no front mech cable stop ???
None needed. Front mech cable can share the downtube routing and then use a Side-swing mech.

Way Over priced for Reynolds 525.