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My point was only that I've worked out various build options on the Following so that was all the reality check I needed. I have not even considered a Process, nor do I want to, my comment in relation to a spreadsheet not telling me to buy one was tongue in cheek, obviously that hasn't worked!
It's been covered already but yes, £2400 is expensive but comparable with other frame manufacturers for a carbon frame.
I suppose to me that seems reasonable and to a certain degree an expected price. To others not. Surely it depends on how good it rides and then whether it's worth the pennies.
For sure, it's about value, which is very subjective, more than price. This is a leisure item after all.
It's been covered already but yes, £2400 is expensive but comparable with other frame manufacturers for a carbon frame.
Do other such manufacturers have such a colourful distant (and present) past regarding their ability to build bikes that fall apart with impressive regularity?
It takes a brave person to drop that sort of money on an Evil frame, no matter how "cool" a brand they are.
It takes a brave person to drop that sort of money on an Evil frame, no matter how "cool" a brand they are.
So we're adding risk aversion to the list too.
Blimey, buying a bike is complicated!
So we're adding risk aversion to the list too.
Blimey, buying a bike is complicated!
It was definitely relevant to the Uprising. They seem to have learnt from their mistakes though.
No idea how they manage to get bigger wheels and more clearance into that short a chainstay though, even with short travel.
So we're adding risk aversion to the list too.
Considering the brand, it would be the first thing for most people 😉
Blimey, buying a bike is complicated!
Buying bikes is simple, getting approval of the STW massive is complicated.
Buying bikes is simple, getting approval of the STW massive is [s]complicated[/s] impossible.
Anyway did you order already?
Your public is hungry for news.
Seconded update needed! I am religiously watching this thread and the mtbr one as this is looking very much like my next bike.
Not the best photo, but can confirm the rear tyre clearance is better than first feared...
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That's a 2.25" Maxxis Ardent in there, and I managed to jam my (adult male Size L/XL) fingers in all the way around the tyre, on both the seatstays and the chainstays. If a Hans Dampf is a slim tyre to you, you'll be wanting a different frame, but for those of us that a 2.2" is plenty of tyre, you'll be able to run it year round, and up to 2.3's in the summer months I'm sure.
Oh, and it's even more incredible in the flesh than on screen!
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For what it is, it's incredibly light too, and there is ZERO friction in that suspension setup! Want has beome NEED rather badly I'm afraid!
Just they job for Droitwich trails Mboy
If you get one, give us a go!
Was that at Corebike mboy?
Doug yes, he posted a bunch of pictures from the show on FB
Would you mind posting the FB link?
Ahh it's really not up .. **** it...he shouldn't have made them public, if he doesn't want them shared 😀
Fingers crossed RD, will have one soon. It will be a medium though, so probably a touch small for you.
It was at Core Bike indeed.
Made the album public on purpose incidentally, the whole point of shows like this is so that guys like us go and take lots of pics, to then stimulate public interest! Saw Chipps a few times snapping away so I'm sure he'll have a whole host of MUCH better photos on their way very soon, if he hasn't already.
EDIT: Oh, and yes I did meet Palmer! 🙂
Who's bought one then?
How much would I ruin this running a 140m 46mm offset fork? It looks to be optimised for [s]130mm[/s] 120mm 51mm offset.
Matt - handling will be slower - partly due to the longer A-C length, and also due to the decreased offset - both factors increase the trail figure which determines how the bike steers.
ST will also be slacker, and BB taller, but not a massive amount. Both can be minimised by running more sag and more compression damping to maintain the shape you want.
Thx. Can't help feeling this is probably a bike to run as the designers intended though. Shame though as I have a set of 140mm/46mm Pikes already.
mattjg, where are you based? Who's your local Evil Dealer?
The bike at Core had a 140mm Pike in it (pretty sure a 51mm offset but can't be sure), the guys from Evil are saying run it anywhere from 120-140 travel up front depending on your preference. Dave Weagle has designed in the ability to run an Angleset from the off, to alter the head angle either way. Running a 46mm trail fork is going to effectively steepen the head angle slightly, so if it bothers you (it's pretty slack for a 29er already), you can slacken it off again slightly with the specific angleset.
If/when I get one (hopefully soon), I'll almost certainly have to build it up with my existing 46mm offset Revelations for the time being, as won't be able to afford new forks at the same time...
Hi - I'm in Surrey, dno who the dealer is. I guess there's nothing to stop me buying one from you, excuse for a trip away too.
Awaiting your reports!
Running a 46mm trail fork is going to effectively steepen the head angle slightly
My understanding is less trail = 'slacker' steering, more trail = more precise steering, but happy to be corrected on that.
http://blog.artscyclery.com/ask-a-mechanic/ask-a-mechanic-29er-forks-46mm-or-51mm-offset/
Yes The Following is way slack already doesn't need to be slacker.
More trail slows steering. Trail increased by slackening HA and/or by reducing offset.
So shorter offset shortens front centre (like steeper head angle) BUT slows down, not speeds up steering (like slacker HA).
thx
Matt, here's some more info on the headtube cups...
[url] http://evil-bikes.com/tech-crap/ [/url]
The guys at Silverfish are adamant it's fine up to 140mm of travel.
Hi - I'm in Surrey, dno who the dealer is. I guess there's nothing to stop me buying one from you, excuse for a trip away too.
LOL. That wasn't what I was angling at actually, but if you're seriously interested, drop me a line, I'd be happy to help as best as I can... [url] http://www.missinglinkbikes.co.uk/contactus.php [/url]
More trail slows steering. Trail increased by slackening HA and/or by reducing offset.So shorter offset shortens front centre (like steeper head angle) BUT slows down, not speeds up steering (like slacker HA).
Makes more sense than what I wrote first time round! In my defence, it was late when I wrote it... 😉
Has anyone done any back to back direct comparisons themselves of 46mm vs 51mm offset forks on the same bike? Was the difference noticeable?
That wasn't what I was angling at actually
I know, am very much tyre kicking at the mo anyway, but it helps to know there is an option with knowledge and credible support available.
Just (hopefully) sent you an email mattjg
good work figuring out my email addr, it foxes a lot of people
I've ordered one!
Was a toss up between that or a Ripley.
Kill me orange one should be here early March!
Can't wait ti get back on a 29er after going for and hating a 27.5 last year.
Kill me orange one should be here early March!
That's earlier than I was led to believe, fingers crossed!
This is exactly what I am looking for to replace my Tallboy LTC.
However my main concern is the pint glass sized pocket of carbon that the shock sits in. That would be full of mud up to the top in one winter ride round here - not only a nightmare to keep clean, but how do you access the shock to keep mud off the seal every now and again?
Conventional full sus designs get clogged with mud easy enough, but this design literally scoops up the mud.
Can anyone post a pic of looking down into the area? I havnt seen a photo which shows this clearly.
There's a lot of photos on MTBR, on [url= http://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/29-finally-evil-935151-28.html#post11513408 ]this page of the thread[/url] there is a good closeup of the non drive side. Going to be honest it's the one thing that is a slight niggle for me (other than the price) but seems that area is actually fairly well protected by the seat tube. Plus it is a little more open from the nds to get in to clear any muck out.
These are both shots of the uprising, rather than the following, but...
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From what I've seen, the following is not open at the lower shock mounting point like the Uprising, the seat tube completely protects the bottom part of the shock.
Not a million miles away from an Orange Segment in terms of geometry, without quite as long a wheel base, interesting, the Segment is a very quick bike, so the Evil should be similar!
Has anybody got one yet?
Has anybody got one yet?
A few on the MTBR board have, worth a look there if you are after info. Guessing there are a couple in the UK as Invisiframe put up a picture of a frame they were doing, and now have templates available for 2 frame sizes. I believe next UK batch is end of the month, I'm waiting impatiently....
which sizes.. not XL I'm guessing
It's definitely on the top of the list of potential FS bikes for me.
Just wonder how long it will be before I'm able to demo one?? Not entirely sure who stocks Evil Bikes near me either 🙁
The owners in the states posting on the MTBR forums seem pretty pleased with them.
As does Luke Strobel with his...
KoB they come in the end of the month (as mentioned above), so dealers will have them not long after. I'd suggest contacting Silverfish to see who your local dealer is & contact them, though it does 'seem' anyone who deals with SF can buy one from them ATM..
As to demo bikes.. try asking SF if there going to build any up? As there's not much in the way of a dealer network ATM & seemingly there selling fast.
Mboy runs a shop (Missing Link in Droitwich) and is buying one, I think it maybe going down as a business "demo", though if he'll actually let anyone get there greasey little hands on it, is another matter.
Cheers z1ppy. I got in touch yesterday and they've confirmed as much. Delivery due at the end of the month/start of next. No demo bikes planned so down to stockists. No stockists near me (Leeds) or none that I recognise. Spotted Missing Link although it's quite a trek from me. Options are looking limited.
Is Missing Link who you've ordered from z1ppy? Who have you ordered through Doug?
Pedals in Edinburgh, not a dealer but a Silverfish stockist at the end of my street happy to sort me out. I'd highly recommend them, but no demo.
Yep KoB, finally succumbed to ordering something & without a demo to complain about
Well done both. Looking forward to seeing them on here when finished. Presume you're both buying frame only?
I think the best approach for me might be to travel somewhere that has stock to throw a leg over one in store. I can then confirm sizing/fit before making any decision. I'm sure it would be Large like most manufacturers and the numbers seem to suggest so.
Until then I'll do some virtual tyre kicking to pass the time 🙂
dave read came 3rd in the masters at PMBA enduro #1 on his:
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First race of the season done, a solid 3rd place to kick of the season. All my new kit is rad and the evil 29er re writes the rules on big bikes. Thanks to the sponsors, lookin forward to a great season. @ride100percent @royalracing @7protection @invisiframe @evilbicycles @twelve50_bikes @landscapemagazine @fiveten_bike Mtb-city
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KOP, frame from distributor, shop will be providing most of the kit one way or another. No idea when the full bike build kit will be available but it's far from a bargain (& I'm not interest in 1x11 ).