[Closed] New Evil Bikes 29er!

Nice looking bike.
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Truly Awful[/b] YouTube video! (IMO)

any reason I shouldn't get one?

Yeah, Batman doesn't like them.

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Maybe check to see what the max tyre clearance is as that's what put me off the Uprising as it was a tight fit with 2.3. Otherwise gorgeous bike 🙂

Sounds perfect.....I would'nt touch one with a bargepole.

looks like a lot going on down there hope the bearings last as could get expensive to repair

Would rather have a Cube HPC Stereo 29er

Maybe check to see what the max tyre clearance is as that's what put me off the Uprising as it was a tight fit with 2.3.

http://m.pinkbike.com/news/first-look-evil-bikes-the-following-2015.html [b]

not convinced by that mud clearance?
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Would rather have a Cube HPC Stereo 29er

I wouldn't.

I am not a fan of the looks at all, and the suspension layout appears very complicated - whereas my preference these days is to go simpler with the best shock and good mud clearance instead.

"The DELTA sytem has been simplified over previous versions"

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I'd be interested to see how they managed to make it any [i]more[/i] complicated.

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Would rather have a Cube HPC Stereo 29er

Be interesting to put them both in a race...

For what snaps first.

Fits a big tyre for dry seasons only - would actual mud clearance lead to unfashionably long chainstays?

That's a Nobby Nic on there too.

Hans Dampf would b tight covered in mud!

any reason I shouldn't get one?

The spesh camber evo!

Like.

Not sure it's for UK winters though.

Camber is a different beast, certainly on paper. Evil is significantly slacker for a start. Both nice, but not really comparable IMO

Camber evo is slacker than a camber, the evil is slacker still, but I reckon they are pretty much in the same market segment.

Would hate to have to maintain that through winter. I can't believe people actually buy these bikes; definitely a heart over head purchase, especially since a hardtail is enough bike for three quarters of UK MTBers.

Wouldn't touch an Evil personally Doug. They've not exactly got a good track record have they?

especially since a hardtail is enough bike for three quarters of UK MTBers.

A horse and cart is enough for most drivers but you don't see many of them around.

definitely a heart over head purchase, especially since a hardtail is enough bike for three quarters of UK MTBers

I think I have made my mind up that the Uprising will be my next bike. I don't really get the mud clearance thing, if you are riding a trail that needs mud clearance you are probably doing more harm than necessary to the trail and it cant be that much fun. Rocky trails will always be more fun than muddy ones.

This ^ is definitely the most bullshit I've read in 2015

A horse and cart is enough for most drivers but you don't see many of them around.

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[b]Heart says[/b]: want that bike.

[b]Head says[/b]: through the roof expensive, complex suspension maintenance headaches, spares probably unavailable, probably best in dust not mud. Walk away.

I like the look of it. I wouldn't buy it personally but it's the type of bike I'm looking for at present in regards to being a slack, low, short-to-medium travel 29er made of plastic.

Get it bought Doug 😈

I reckon the Following will be a completely different bike to the camber evo due to the shorter chainstays.

29ers are still pretty ugly. I think only Banshee have managed to make a nice looking one with the Prime.

I reckon the Following will be a completely different bike to the camber evo due to the shorter chainstays.

You're right, 430mm vs 451mm. They're not comparable.

Evil people, this is how to do tyre clearance on short travel slack angled 29er:

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Heart says: want that bike.

Head says: through the roof expensive, complex suspension maintenance headaches, spares probably unavailable, probably best in dust not mud. Walk away.

My head says it's not through the roof expensive. The Uprising is £2k for a frame only, when you consider that you'll pay £2.6k for a Tallboy C or £3k for an Enduro frame, that's pretty reasonable...in the realms of ridiculously priced bicycles anyway.

I also don't agree with the complexity thing, there's little more going on than you'd get on any multi pivot bike, it's just concentrated in a small area so it appears more complex. There's 4 pivots on the Evil, same as on a VPP or a horst bike.

Clearance I'll admit could be better but I don't see it as a deal breaker, but essentially whatever anyone says I'm still going to want it! First hand opinions seem mixed, though second hand opinions all seem negative.

In one of the 'first looks' they reckon there's 10mm clearance all around a 2.3 Hans Dampf - that sounds pretty good to me.

It's essentially the same as an old Commencal Meta linkage system but shuffled about a bit, isn't it?

It's essentially the same as an old Commencal Meta linkage system but shuffled about a bit, isn't it?

Well, yes. I was more making the point for the haterz (© Cynic-al) that it's not actually that complicated. Three of the bolts that look like pivots are just for a flip link to adjust geometry, the rest is the same complexity as a lot of linkage single pivots.

@tenacious_dog thanks for the objection debunking

Mud clearance (within reason) is not a deal breaker for me either, I have a rigid ss for the worst muddy days anyway, I love it so always will.

Are Evil owners dependent on a shop for service or is DIY viable? I avoid shop dependence as much as possible.

Edit: looks like Canfield are on the case, good news as I'm a Canfield fanboi: http://www.vitalmtb.com/product/feature/Sneak-Peek-2015-Canfield-Brothers-Riot-29er-FS,294

The shop dependence is purely to make warranty returns easier

Perhaps not so much debunking, as a point of view, but like I said, I think my heart is ruling my head on this one!

There's nothing about the Evil that would make it any more difficult to DIY than any other bike, and given there is no Evil dealers in the whole of Scotland, I wouldn't have much option anyway!

Also, Canfield looks v interesting, but I've already agreed to selling my old bike to a mate in spring so can't really wait till late Summer which is their eta.

tenacious - as long as the dealer is willing, there's nothing stopping any independent dealer from ordering you in a frameset and supporting it.

Or at least that was true last summer when I was considering the uprising.

tenacious - as long as the dealer is willing, there's nothing stopping any independent dealer from ordering you in a frameset and supporting it.

Let us know doug. & sorry for calling you dog.

That is a lovely looking bike!

Also, Canfield looks v interesting

I'm assuming it will be alu, an adaptation of the Balance. To the best of my knowledge Canfield have never made a carbon frame.

So it's likely to be quite a chunk of metal.

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Canfields certainly aren't light but I like the guys behind the company and the designs are quiet nice.

Edit: Never Mind

Sorry I know Doug, it's me James. Just thought you might want to see it, from what you can tell in the video it seems like they rated the ride very well if not better than the Evil. Which does also look like a great bike, if it holds together. But I don't want to get into that, it has already been covered.

Their review of the Phantom was also really positive.

Sorry I know Doug, it's me James. Just thought you might want to see it, from what you can tell in the video it seems like they rated the ride very well if not better than the Evil. Which does also look like a great bike, if it holds together. But I don't want to get into that, it has already been covered.

Their review of the Phantom was also really positive.

I WILL decide this week, assuming I can get an answer on pricing and availability of the Following from Silverfish.

Want us to find out?

I've dropped you an email....

For those that are interested in this, there is now more information up at Bike, along with a Q&A with Kevin Walsh of Evil.
http://www.bikemag.com/news/evils-following-2015-bible-bike-tests-roundtable-reels/

So it 'wins' the test, is carbon so probably made in short production runs, and comes from a small company. Not many are going to make it over here.

It raises the bar all the same. A good thing. I still want one.

Want one myself.

Some rad dirt jumping on a 29er.
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/luke-strobel-launches-the-following-video-2015.html

Get it bought Doug - when are they shipping?

Red or black?

when are they shipping?

It's $100 more than the uprising in the US, so maybe £2099 is my guess.

It'll be the same number of pounds as it is dollars. Bike importer spreadsheet maths = not complicated!

I do have indicative prices but not fair to post them publicly until they have been confirmed. One of you is closer than the other 😉

make sure you get your lower oil price dividend

The more I see and read about this bike the more I like it. The geo looks spot on. I'll be keeping an eye on it's UK release and availability.

EDIT: Is there a UK release date?

EDIT: Is there a UK release date?

Any more news on availability and pricing on this yet? Really got an itch to see one of these in the plastic... got a horrible feeling it could be 'the one'...!

UK pricing is £2400. I believe should be available in the next month.

wow...! It had better be at least as good as bike mag reckon for that kind of outlay

is that for frame, shock and headset Doug?

Yes, frame shock and headset price.
It is pricey yes, though I suppose it's in the same ballpark as a carbon frame from Santa Cruz, Yeti et al. Certainly a bit more than I'd hoped for myself since the Uprising is (relatively) good value at £2k, and the US price for these is only $100 more.

It's gotta be said, a full build '15 Kona Process 111, Pikes, X1, < £3k. How important to you is the carbon?

Or a full lower end build, '14, less than the price of the Following frame. (The Process 111 frames didn't change between '14 and '15 apart from colour, I checked with Kona on that).

I'm not trying to put you off, I love gorgeous bikes too, but sometimes a reality check is helpful.

But the Evil is orange. You can't put a price on orange 🙂

Granted the newer Kona bikes are different breed from days of old but some people, myself included, could never bring themselves to own a kona. Im sure Doug is aware of my kona experience but the lack of customer service and warranty was at a level that I doubt many on here would believe.

Fair dos, my first decent MTB was a Kona Kula and I still ride it 12 years later so I have no issue. (Or contact with them in the intervening years).

Dearer than I was thinking.

US/UK prices:
Evil The Following: 2599/2400 = 1.08
Ibis HD3: 2900/2599 = 1.12
Pivot Mach 6: 2999/2500 = 1.12
Bronson CC: 2899/2799 = 1.04 (often thought to be poor exchange rate)
Yeti SB5C: 3399/2799 = 1.21 (same distributor?)

Well it makes a change from 1:1!

It's gotta be said, a full build '15 Kona Process 111, Pikes, X1, < £3k. How important to you is the carbon?

I've got several bike build spreadsheets to give me a reality check on cost, and none of them tell me a Kona is a good buy!

riding one probably would though...but hey spreadsheet says no...

I think you miss my point, but anyway, this isn't a thread about whether I want to buy a Kona or not, it was about the Evil, I was just sharing the pricing info I had as I knew a few on this thread were interested. Whether they feel it is good value to them, and what other bikes they want to benchmark it against is entirely up to them.

Oh, and what Klunky said 😉

Doug, side question, at what price does your spreadsheet say the P111 become an "OK buy" (for someone who might want one!)?

I agree it's a bit over priced from an accounting POV.

http://www.konaworld.com/process_111.cfm