[Closed] New bike build- Salsa Horsethief

Lovely frames them. I test rode one the other day, felt very quick and supple for a 120 mm. enjoy

Hope make a 25deg rise stem, try that? works well for me. thomson only 10 or 0 i think.
edit: looks like you're thomson matching so i guess you won't want to do that :p
edit2: hi Dave 🙂

Is that really a 29? The wheels look tiny!

I'd be very worried about that seatpost not reaching to below the actual top-tube/seat-tube junction.

[i]I'd be very worried about that seatpost not reaching to below the actual top-tube/seat-tube junction. [/i]

me too - it ought to be down to nearly where the seat stays cross the seat tube really.

why did you buy it if it doesn't really fit?

I'd need a 1000mm seat post to reach that far!
It looks worst in the pic than it really is, there's a fair bit past the min mark on the seat post, I can even run my Joplin with a inch more pass the mark, on a XL trek fuel ex it was out past the min mark!

It does fit, the top tube is spot on!
The curse of long legs, get any thing bigger like a turner xxl and the top tube is far to long!

it's not about the seatpost min insertion really, it's the frame design. If the seatpost isn';t below the top tube the frame won't last.

I'd email Salsa and show them where the seatpost goes down to and see what they say.

If they're happy then you've got a warranty etc and it's all good.

You are Yao Ming and I claim my 5 pounds.

crazybaboon - Member
It does fit, the top tube is spot on!
The curse of long legs, get any thing bigger like a turner xxl and the top tube is far to long!

get any thing bigger like a turner xxl and the top tube is far to long!

Do that and run a shorter stem would seem like a better idea to me.

It's the longest seat tube I've ever had since I started riding in 1988, I've never broken a seat tube on any bike
I've got a swift and a scandal 29 er both with more seat post showing.

for once druidh speaks sense 🙂

[i]I've got a swift and a scandal 29 er both with more seat post showing.[/i]

but they don't have such radically dropped top tubes?

ask salsa, see what they say - you've nothing to lose by asking?

you can run up to 140 forks on those can't you ?

for once druidh speaks sense

It had to happen sometime 😀

I was looking at getting a Horsethief in the 22" if my current Salsa Big Mama turns out to have a crack in it (it may be just the paint).

However, seeing yours i'd be very wary of the seatpost as others here have mentioned. I really don't like frames with the brace from top tube to seat tube as at my height standover is not a problem for me. The Big Mama has a curved top tube but no brace. I was hoping it was cracked as i'd get a warranty replacement but now i'm king of hoping it isn't!
Having said that, i know from experience that bikes in our sizes don't always come out well in pictures and are far better looking in the flesh.

I have a similar problem with my Kona Honzo as it's a 20"L so top tube is perfect but seat tube is a tad small although it's ok with a standard top tube and Thomson at max extension (base just covers the seatbe/top tube join).

Your headtube should be longer but the fashion is short as possible these days. Wanna borrow the 220mm one off my Fargo..... 😉

If it rides better than my Big Mama though you'll still be happy, i'm a big Salsa fan.

It looks much better in real life, only the amount of spacers look bad.
There is a goof bit of post in the frame! Even the Joplin which is 20mm shorter is way below the min mark
I can't ride it at the moment as recovering from a busted shoulder, hopefully I may be able to lower the front end or try a different stem on it.
At the momemt I've set the bars the same as my other bikes, but the Horsethief is running a longer fork so thing could change!
Could be a excuse to bu a Fox 34!
I'd love to borrow your 220 Fargo head tube MrTall!

Steve, the Honzo did look perfect for walking with last time I saw you 😉

does look too small - perhaps it is the headtube as the geo sayas seat tube c-t is the same on that as my xl swift

I'm 6ft 4in and ride a 22in Radon 29er HT. I wanted my bars lower but ended putting them up 10mm to prevent damage to the top tube in a crash. Centre of bar end to ground is about 970mm. Saddle top to centre of BB is circa 820mm.

I'm also looking at a Horsethief in 22in so curious to know what sort of dimensions you got there. I must be a short 6ft 4in.

Long legs!
Seat height of 870mm
Theres only 260mm of seat post showing, 160mm in the frame, I bet most people riding small framed hardcore hard tails have more post showing, it looks much better than it looks in the picture

I bet most people riding small framed hardcore hard tails have more post showing

you're missing the point though.. on those little hardtails the seatpost will still be inserted past the point where the top tube meets the seat tube

Seat height of 870mm

That ground to top of saddle surface?

it's not about the seatpost min insertion really, it's the frame design. If the seatpost isn';t below the top tube the frame won't last.

I'd email Salsa and show them where the seatpost goes down to and see what they say.

Ive emailed salsa in the past about using a seatpost shim in my spearfish (similar design). They said as long as it was an purpose made shim (not a bodge coke can etc.) then it was fine and would be covered under warrenty. SO, as most shims are only 75-100mm long i think your fine not getting the seatpost all the way down the frame.

Also, I think you'll have to accept that no bike will suit you if your all legs. Im 6ft4 and my bb-saddle is 31"/790mm ish.

Salsa say to have 100mm in the frame, I've got 160mm in the frame, it comes to the top of the top tube so should be good!

I don't believe theres a hidden 160mm of thompson post in there!

I've just bought one, 22 inch. Im 6ft3.

I've kept the steerer long just in case.

I'm running rockshox revelations with a 2 step. 120 to 140 travel on the move.

To be honest I didn't really feel a big difference in the geometry but it was far better on the downhills.

I run a 21 inch scandal too and its a similar size but the horsethief has a lot longer wheelbase due to the head angle.

I've only had one ride but I like it but I guess time will tell.

3 months later my review is:

Not the best bike I've ever ridden up hill, I've had better climbing bikes but downhill it is by far the best bike I've been on. I am so much quicker on the hohorsethief, the bike feels stable, must be the long rear stays. I do enjoy riding it, I just have so much confidence in it.

I changed the rear cassette from a 32 to a 34 to help with climbing.

The direct front mount has kept the gears running great.

The rear end tends to get clogged when its really muddy between the back wheel and the frontmech where the frame brace is.

Also the bushing has gone in the linkage somewhere, I can't find it as its only a slight movement but I have hammered it in its defence. So far 8 out of 10, maybe even a 9.

It was the bushing on the shock. Cost £4 to replace. In the salsas defence these are fox parts.

When I put it back together I still had some movement. This was the bottom bearing that had worked its self loose. To tighten it, you have to remove the crank. since it was nipped up its been fine.

The other issue I had was when I removed the bottom bracket for some maintenance loads of water poured out. It seems water can get in but can't get out. Thankfully its a ceramic bb so it didn't rust.

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Just got back from antor stiniog in Wales, a downhill day. The bike was awesome. Handled everything that was thrown at it. I was quicker on the salsa than on my gt sanction 160mm travel.

Its not as sharp in the corners as its so long but it doesnt slow down on the rough stuff and roll and rolls.

My overall impression is that its not the fastest climber but it does climb if you drop the forks to 120. Downhill is what it is made for, so much fun.

For an XL 29er it comes in at less than 31 pounds so its responsive.

I'm really happy with it and I am growing to like the green. The new model is black and has a bottle cage.

I like the look of these!! From what Ive read on line the new one has been tweaked a bit to get it to go up hill better?

I liked the look of these too but went for a Transition Bandit 29 instead and have been really impressed.
Lovely bikes Salsa's though, I have a Mukluk and it's sooo much fun 😀

From what I can tell the down tube is different so it can accommodate a bottle cage.

Has it also changed the angle?

I found out why its retaining water in the bottom bracket.

I covered the drain hole with helitape! Lol

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It does look better in black!

My choice was between the bandit, horsethief and tall boy LT. Ultimately, it came down to price. They are all similar looking beasts.

The bandit
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The tall boy, a thing of beauty with a price tag to match
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Sorry to interrupt your stream of consciousness run of posts, damascus, but I wonder if they changed the top tube/seat tube brace assembly because people like crazybaboon were cracking them... 🙂

Feel free to interupt 😀

Has anyone snapped one yet? If you see one up close they are well made and seem bombproof, almost reinforced, but I guess it depends on riders weight, length of post and what you are doing with it Etc. Did crazybaboon have any issues with it in the end?

I have one too and have read a fair bit of forum chat, I can't say I've heard of any failing anywhere never mind at the seat tube junction. I can only half echo damascus's findings, I actually think it climbs very well for a full susser, previously I've always felt robbed of power or seasick climb on bounce before. But yes very very fast on the downs certainly faster than anything I've ridden before or at least gives me the confidence to go that extra bit. Does need a bit of manhandling in the switchbacks.