[Closed] My new (to me) Jones

I'm actually lost for words. Not sure if that's good or bad though.

I bought Gotama's diamond frameset, it arrived in great condition. I can't imagine ever getting rid of it, it would be my only bike if it ever came down to it.

As for the PSI, just ride it! 😉

They're great bikes, looking good.

Looks good. Enjoy!

That's grotesque. As long as you like it though.

You have some damp in that wall behind the plants.

Gis a go, I'm fat front curious...

I think it's a marmite bike really, I do like a bit of marmite on thick white toast though.
Regards

Denis

Heres mine from last year in NZ.

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I run my front end as 29+

Never mind how they look, they ride amazingly.

😀

Like .

I still can't believe I sold it. When I have more time for riding I will have another Jones; brilliant bikes.

Tyre pressure; I ran between 10 and 12. You'll find it's like an angry space hopper if it's too hard or too squirmy if too soft. The noise is awesumz.

Tasty. I'd have bought that if I had the spons.

Cheers, 10 psi it is then.

I run the Stache 9 at 10 psi in the front also.
Regards

Denis

You not getting any tyre rub on the fork with a Bud and Rolling D?
10PSI seems a little high to me with a Bud. Maybe ride it like that for a while and slowly start letting pressure out a little at a time until you feel like you've gone too far. When that happens put a couple of pumps back in to it and you'll be spot on.
Also try angling your bars down a little. It makes it much better on steep stuff like that. Kind of helps you push against them to keep your weight back.
It's also much lighter on your hands and arms when it gets rough.

Looks good though and it's by far the best handling rigid bike in techy stuff by a country mile.

Thanks Stu

Only ridden around the block at the moment.

front tyre clearance does look close though.

Was wondering if a different front tyre might give me a little more clearance, what would you recommend?

I'll alter the bar angle, but it did fell very comfortable round the block, no tyre rub, but this is just riding on tarmac with some kerb jumping.

probably ride around Whites Level tomorrow though, all the bits are working as they should.
Regards

Denis

Surly Nate? Can't imagine ever needing more grip that that gives me!

front tyre clearance does look close though.

Let me know if you want me to post you the floater. My impression of it was that it was a bit rubbish (relatively speaking) in the mud, always wanting to slide sideways off the centre. That could have been me though!

Thanks guys.

I will put the Dually on the front with the Knard for tomorrow then.

Not that much mud at afan really, thanks though Steve, I have emailed you with details.
Regards

Denis

wow, I'm starting to like fatties.

yup thats terrible, i like Jones' i really do, but with a fat front, nah, i cannot ever imagine a scenario that would be a good idea
Regards

Dan

yup thats terrible, i like Jones' i really do, but with a fat front, nah, i cannot ever imagine a scenario that would be a good idea

Really? Why do you think it's a bad idea?

What bars are those?

I'm sure that to you it rides like an angel carrying you across the trail but hell, thats a bloody ugly bike.

I'd love to have a ride on a Jones to see if they ride as amazingly as the hype but a) I'd bet I'd be faster on a full sus in every imaginable situation and b) they make my eyes bleed.

Ignore them pesky poor player haterz

Really? Why do you think it's a bad idea?

explain to me, how matching a tyre that big at the front, with a 2.4 Ardent on the rear makes it a good idea?

dirty.
It's like a reverse mullet.
Party at the front and buisness at the back. 😉
DBW.
I bet you'd be faster on the Jones than your rigid bike...

Bikes are toys for most of us so indulge whatever whim you can afford

Love it, all black and looking Grade-A B.A.

explain to me, how matching a tyre that big at the front, with a 2.4 Ardent on the rear makes it a good idea?

I've got a full suss, I want a Jones for something different.

Not confrontational, so don't take it the wrong way, but it's not always about going faster etc.

I genuinely just enjoy going out and riding round the Skyline at Afan, not being concerned about how fast etc.

I ride from my doorstep most times and just wander around single track and fire roads as the mood takes me.

Even just riding it on the Tarmac today it felt very comfortable and relaxed in its riding position. The bars are placed just in the right position and braking and changing gears is effortless.
Just feels right, can't comment about off road yet, hopefully if it stops hammering down with rain here, then tomorrow will be the first real impression.

Really? Why do you think it's a bad idea?
explain to me, how matching a tyre that big at the front, with a 2.4 Ardent on the rear makes it a good idea?

No, no, I'm asking [i]you[/i].

The big tyre definitely needs a bit more push to steer in my limited riding, but the steering feels very direct as others have said.

Great bike - 😀

Tyre pressure - depending on your weight, 7/8 psi - I think the Bud works best on a 70, or 65mm rim. Also consider a schwalbe Jumbo Jim 4.8" tyre, the best summer tyre.

Still love my Jones -even after six years! Hankering after some carbon H bars now!!

It would be interesting to hear about the pros and cons between the Jones and the Trek. A little write up would be appreciated. Thanks 1 shed.

I like it OP. Always liked the idea of the different approach that Jones take to get a high-performing bike.

This looks great.

🙂

Clipless pedals! How did you mount the cleat to your Birkenstocks? 😡

Awesome bike! I've a diamond with truss & just love it.

Haven't tried fat front, but am using a knard at the moment & have just ordered a Panaracer Fat B Nimble, which looks interesting. Also very tempted to build my spare wheelset into a pair of 27.5 rims at some point.

Nice. I love my Jones loop bars and want them on my other bikes now, but they are expensive - so what are the bars on this?

Jones Bend H-Bar maybe

DBW.
I bet you'd be faster on the Jones than your rigid bike...

I expect I would be - my rigid bike has 1 gear and skinny tyres. I use it, like the OP, for something different. Apart from 'different' means my knee caps popping out my legs and my wrists feeling like they've been smashed to pieces with a hammer.

As much as I love it, I think its time with me is coming to an end....

Your wrists won't be smashed to pieces with theJones geometry, fat front/H bar combo, I promise you 😉

Great bike OP

Jones with fat front here also. my 29/29+ front wheel is gathering dust in the 18 months I've have the fat front option.

i did a fair bit asking around before i pushed the button on the set up. the advice i got is that the bud can twist on the rim a bit (being very grippy) and being so massive especially at very low pressure on the 'narrow' darryl. not good. clearance is pretty tight on the truss as well.

i went for a nate on a darryl and its absolutely perfect for me. I've went from being totally obsessed by pressure to previous bikes to once every month or two noting the tyre is slightly too soft and top it up. its at around 7-9psi if my gauge is working.

i know these bikes always attract comments, i was distracted for the first 6 months by its weird looking ways but, its now my only bike and far and away the most fun and capable bike I've ever been on.

It's a blast riding the Jones though I'd love to try some truss forks, got the unicrown. Like the above I'm thinking it's time for gears,8 of them, more for the flats than anything else. I've got a Chronicle on a P35 and it's brilliant, fast and more than enough cushion for my skinny wrists, Knard on a rabbit hole by comparison felt heavier uphill and poorer in handling. Never felt the desire to go fat as I just imagine it'll be heavier and more draggy. Obviosuly I'm wrong about this!

As much as I wanted the 4.8 Bud front tyre to fit, the clearance on the front fork stays is just too tight.

I have removed the tyre and put it up for sale in the classifieds. Raining here again in sunny South Wales, so I took the time to clear up all the remains of the tyre sealant, not the nicest job, but complete now.

Out tomorrow regardless of the weather.

Obviosuly I'm wrong about this!

Yup 😉

Had my first ride on the Jones today.

Here are my scattered thoughts.

This is using the 29+ front end with the Surly Knard front tyre, which was pretty good, but once I get the fat front end sorted I can see this wheel being sold.

Very comfortably geometry, you are sat further back on the bike with less weight on your wrists and leaning forward. As a result the saddle might need a little more thought, as you are now sat more upright.

Climbing, I'm not the fastest in the world, but it does feel easier ( maybe not faster), this again might be down to the more upright position and having more weight over the back wheel.

Bars are very comfortable, seem to be in a very natural position with respect to the wrists.

Obviously not as fast on the downs, and needs a slightly different approach to remember to put your weight a little more to the rear and let the front end go a little light, very easy to do in practice.

I like it.

Will definitely switch to the fat front end though , as I need a little more cushion effect.

Still early days, and the bike does handle differently, need more time on it to be more confident as it does ride very differently to anything I have ridden. But I can see that given time and a bit more confidence this will be a whole lot of fun.

Just to add, my fitness levels are very low at the moment, had food poisoning about a month ago ( which took two weeks to get over), and then had a shoulder injury that hasn't helped.

Did enjoy getting out on the bike today, and that is what matters the most.
Regards

Denis

Jones bikes look like right contraptions

No, I haven't ridden one, I'm sure they are lovely

I've been using a Bud on 72mm rim for the past two winters, absolutely no problem with clearance on the truss fork. Narrower rims give a better profile. Pressure was 7.5psi - I am quite light though 😉 rolls better than a Nate, twice as grippy and you can run lower pressures, win, win, win! Jumbo Jim for spring, summer and autumn, even faster rolling, light and still nice and grippy.

I think it's the rim that is widening the Surly Bud.

The Darryl rim is 80mm, think it is widening the tyre footprint, which is causing the very close clearance.

Just popped a Panaracer Fat B Nimble on the front of mine. Supposed to be 29x3 but comes more like 2.8, which I actually think will be quite good - it's light (770gms ish) & the tread looks v good & nice grippy compound.

Will give it a whirl tomorrow.

Never tried a full fat front. If anyone wants to swap their fat front wheel for a 29" Blunt 35/Whub let me know.

It only gets better as you get more used to it Denis : )
Tempted with a Panaracer 3.0 for my Jones based on the way they're said to come up a bit small. Jeff rides the full fat front mostly I think, says a lot of good things about it, but it's rare I get to ride trails anything like that and certainly nowhere near as fast / skilled as he is. I really like the 2.4 Ardents on it though, feels so agile and quick on the singletracks. Had it 4+ years now and the fun-value of the ride just doesn't fade.

Anyone contemplating a switch to a fat front, I've just built a 150mm front Hope hub into a light bicycle 65mm carbon rim and it's 500g lighter than a standard on-one front wheel that I'd previously drilled.

I have the older narrower truss fork and while the Knard fitted it was a close fit. The Fat B Nimble has masses of clearance and a very sticky compound

I've never ridden one but I was followed by somebody on one at Drumlanrig years ago. What a racket. Luckily he stopped when we got to the first rooty bit and I never saw him again. Probably nothing to do with the bike he was probably a gob shite before he bought it.

Got the fat front wheel up and running just now. Took me quite a while but did everything slowly and methodically.

New Surly rim tape, rim cleaned of all previous residue. Followed the link below as it seemed to make a lot of http://cyclesinlife.com/tubeless-fatbike-conversion-update/

The tyre I fitted was a Maxxis Mammoth 26 x 4, and has good clearance.

The tyre seated with the inner tube in no problem, took the tube out and inflated with my Airshot can and went up straight away.

I used a track pump to inflate to 25 psi and it stayed inflated without any major leaks for one hour.

Deflated, added Stans liquid, pumped back up and rode about for 10 minutes to circulate the liquid.

I'm leaving at pressure overnight, but there is no seepage at the bead sections on the tyre / rim so far.

Hopefully everything will still be at pressure in the morning, drop the pressure to 8 ish psi and go ride.