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On your giant spreadsheet of 'All The Rides' (you all have one of those, right?) are you recording overall time on the ride - including faffon, feed stops, looking at the view whatever, or just moving time? Or both? Which one do you pay attention to?
When I was training to do the sdw in a day I used overall time. It seemed to me a no brainer that what matters is how long it actually takes to travel a certain distance given you need to eat, refill water bottles and open gate after gate. Normal riding I now longer bother to measure anything
No spreadsheet - Strava + TrainingPeaks.
Overall time. Moving time is only of vague interest.
I don't really record times at all - or only occasionally but when I do its deffo moving time 'cos that way I am merely vaguely slow. Overall time? I am slooooooow. I mean I have to stop to have a picnic every couple of hours.
My big bike ride a couple of years ago I did around 3000 miles. wow.
In 4 months - errmmmm ok.
averaging around 40 miles a day with 8 or so hours out on the road - right thats sloooooow. But I did have two picnics a day plus a nap 🙂
I tend to focus on overall time, if at all.
If you have to stop because you're knackered, that needs factoring in to your training, as you get fitter you will stop less so your overall time will become less.
I suppose at somepoint on certain routes moving time is the more important. If you were going to be racing on closed roads or a time trial route that isn;t affected by traffic lights etc. you don't really want traffic light stops affecting your times, but then you get a rest at traffic light stops which you won't get in the race.....
Overall time for me
My giant spreadsheet include Strava Moving Time, Ride Time (that's the time the computer is running) and Total Time (includes time when computer is paused - e.g. food stops).
Always annoyed me that Garmin head units can’t seem to show both!
If I have this right, then if you have Auto-Pause on, your Garmin will show "average moving speed" and there's an IQ data field that you could install to also show "average overall speed". Shame that there has to be a 3rd party workaround, but that might work for you?
I could break the marathon record. If i ran it in 100m intervals with 24hours in between.
Its moving time surely.
However i have no intention of ever, EVER, logging my rides ina spreadsheet i would rather ride my bike off a cliff.
We talked about this on my mbl assessment all those years ago. I said I do overall time (averages about 8kmph) for a group due to the associated faffage.
I could break the marathon record. If i ran it in 100m intervals with 24hours in between.
On a similar note, there's a bit of a p-take strava group where people upload their 'fastest 5k' times doing just this - sprint down a hill, stop timer, walk up, repeat..
I think it came about after a famous person uploaded a boasty 5k time in a similar style!
https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/21/chelsea-midfielder-ross-barkley-accused-fake-5k-time-12587179/
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not quite, I'd like to show "total time elapsed" (i.e. including stops) for feeding purposes but also "average moving speed" for pacing purposes. But yeah, IQ field could work - not really played around with those before. Will look into it at some point, thanks!If I have this right, then if you have Auto-Pause on, your Garmin will show “average moving speed” and there’s an IQ data field that you could install to also show “average overall speed”. Shame that there has to be a 3rd party workaround, but that might work for you?
On your giant spreadsheet of ‘All The Rides’
u wot mate?
Its moving time surely.
Isnt that why overall time would be more useful? Your example the moving time gives you the record whereas overall time doesnt.
At most I casually compare the two though. Normally they are within a few minutes of each other over a couple of hours.
I could break the marathon record. If i ran it in 100m intervals with 24hours in between.
Its moving time surely.
However i have no intention of ever, EVER, logging my rides ina spreadsheet i would rather ride my bike off a cliff.
Josh completely nails it
Isnt that why overall time would be more useful? Your example the moving time gives you the record whereas overall time doesnt.
Absolutely correct. Boofed it.
I don't really bother unless it's a regular route I'm riding, and then I will look at moving time (not dependent on stopped by traffic and junctions) and average speed cos that gives me a sense of improving fitness. On MtB rides where there is more variability of routing, i just pay attention to average speed for fitness.
All recorded on that virtual spreadsheet in the cloud that is Strava/Veloviewer
Always did my head in that the average speed shown on Strava is moving time. If I did 100 miles, moving for 5 hours and stopping for three breaks of one hour, my average speed is not 20mph!
u wot mate?
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Overall, and that should be the default display on Strava as well.
I'm going to break the mold and go the other way -moving time.
I know I can do a 100km road ride in 4hrs (give or take obviously, I'm not talking outliers like a 100km flat road race or a 100km route in the Alps!)
I can then work around that to factor in rest times and general faffage.
Well, Strava uses elapsed time for all its segment times so on that basis "moving time" is irrelevant...and I tend to agree.
OP: I suggest you include both in your spreadsheet so you can get Excel to do the DIFF calculation to work out the faff percentage for each ride, which you can then correlate against your list of riding buddies to work out which riding buddy is the one which causes most faffage...
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Overall time, as that's what you use to calculate how far behind the bubble you are on your Audax...
On my big bike ride my overall average speed comes out around 0.7 mph. 🙂 Daily average speed around 5 mph. Moving speed around 10 - 12 mph
I am not sure any of those are useful numbers 🙂
Moving time on the commute, to gauge consistency.
Average speed is something which is creeping up slowly... But also depends on hills.
Overall time of no interest as may or may not include a cafe stop....
Wouldn't trust a Giant spreadsheet, get a dodgy cell and it's unlikely to be covered by their warranty...
On Strava generally it's moving time because I have a focus on fitness and training. I actually care more about time in zones... Being out for 4 hours but spending 2 of those stationary is not training.
However, I can see overall being better if you aren't training. Time stood scouting trails, chatting to mates, taking photos or just relaxing in a nice spot are all part of "the ride".
As someone said about audax, overall time is important on epic rides as what slows you down most is stopping. And time waits for no man if you need to get back before it's dark!
It's a shame Strava can't log enjoyment as that's the real reason I ride. Either immediate fun or type 2/preparation for some later event that I want to do.
I'm more interested in distance covered TBH.
I tend to just leave the Garmin running, no auto pause or anything as it'll somehow fail to restart after a stop.
Although this does feel like a question velo viewer could answer for me...
Edit: image uploading seems to have fallen over, but honest it showed it...
There you go elapsed time Vs moving time, default Fields in Velo Viewer
It’s a shame Strava can’t log enjoyment
Garmin will have a new sensor out soon to measure 'smiles per hour' 😉
Yep. VeloViewer just does this for you, should you want the information.
I tend to just leave the Garmin running, no auto pause or anything as it’ll somehow fail to restart after a stop.
I do this too, and Garmin Connect shows both Average Speed and Average Moving Speed.