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Does anyone know where the results are posted up?
bump ! no Im used to getting my gorrick ones a few hours later although I suppose that is somewhat of a smaller event it all needs to be done by hand.
Nothing on the website yet, or on Pro Velo Support. Really want to know now!
For all those looking for results http://www.frsystems.co.uk/2012WiggleMountainMayhem.html
have they been there all day ?
they've missed one of our laps probably from Mud over the timer. I've contacted info@frsystems.co.uk but is this the right email to contact.
Yup they missed my final lap I am currently 15th in the solo men. I did 9 laps in just over 24hours
Hope they get you into the top 10 RN!
I thought you had to finish the lap you're on after 24hrs?
As two teams above us are showing results but finishing before the 24hours are up.
There are teams with times of 25hrs....
26hrs15 here 🙂 Our last lap was a pretty slack one !
they've missed one of our laps
They missed several laps off several teams. They certainly missed one off our team, not that it matters cos we were nowhere, 2 of our team having mechs ripped off their bikes.
There are teams with times of 25hrs....
There are teams and/or solo riders with times of over 26hrs!
Murdoch came in 9th in the Mens Solo 😯
Where does one find the Kenda climb times ?
Well done to everyone who took part, incredible conditions. One of my lap's missing too.
Missed on of our laps too which would have put us in the top 40 in sport but then looking at it alot of people have fast laps then a 4 hour one!!. Our first attempt with a combined age of 169. Thanks to all who took part for smiling when we all wanted to cry and chatting when i'm sure they didnt want to. If the guy on the singlespeeder is on here who i paced up the big grass bank is on here mucho respecto to you pal. Support was amazing/weird/funny. Kudos to Retro bike for the funniest heckles I've ever heard. Cheers everybody
We're missing our last lap too. We did 8, had a rest and then sent a volunteer out for a 9th at about 9:30 - that lap is missing.
We fielded three teams ... all three sent a man out about 9:30-10:00 and all three last laps are missing!
Mixed sport and veterans just show as blank pages 🙁
Which as a vet mixed team is a bit of a b*gger!
Having said that with 11 laps we are going to be top quartile 🙂
Seems alot of laps are missing. We also had one, but told them at the time and what kind of time it would have been and got it changed.
Still not sure on the difference between sport and open.
Anyway, look like we came in 7th, so give conditions and 2 snapped rear mechs think we did well.
Well we came in 37th in Open Male, not bad for a bunch of Mayhem virgins (bar me, my 2nd one)
Rammit are down as third despite winning?
Aye, missed one of our last laps, which would have nudged us up from 7th to 6th in the mixed. By that point lots of things had given up working properly including bicycles + cognitive function.
The commisars said that unlike normal, you could declare. I got in at 4 minutes to go. None of us fancied another component destroying 90 minutes so we called it a draw.
There were quite a few missing laps due to the mud, but the presentations were correct all bar one so I'm sure they're sorting it out. Our team's last lap is missing which drops us off the podium, but we've got the trophies! 😆
Pete, if the lap isn't on the results he looses the bragging rights - "it never happened" 😆
Also missing my last 2 laps , would move me from 37th to 22nd in the solo cat.
Grrrr also missed out last 2 laps... we still won the Vets SS cat but it was announced 12 laps rather than 14 on the podium... plus we should have come second ss overall,
What a sham, after so much effort, never again
Just to but my fellow team mates minds to rest - The results are to be updated later today to reflect the correct number of laps done.
So those riders, ahem crell, who on all the current photos are smiling and mud free, can resume their rightful place.
My understanding was that every team that completed the event should have a total time that exceeds (or is) 24hrs.
There should be a results list for those teams that did finish with a last lap and those that decided not to.
It was one thing that got me around that last slog.
DaveRambo - MemberMy understanding was that every team that completed the event should have a total time that exceeds (or is) 24hrs.
There should be a results list for those teams that did finish with a last lap and those that decided not to.It was one thing that got me around that last slog.
Same here. It's how it has worked in every 24hr/12hr event i've done. So can't understand the results now. Hopefully the update will shed some light!
We were 40th in Sport and 28th in Vets. I'm refusing to look at any updates since all our laps were captured. I'e told everyone that was our result and I'm sticking to it 🙂
cheers for the update look forward to seeing the real results
I asked the question of total elapsed time to the timing people and the response is
Under normal rules you are correct. But Patrick decided due to the weather you could declare at any point.
IMO this is the wrong decision, it penalises those teams that stayed until the end.
You can't go changing the rules while you allow people to still ride the course. It might have been very bad conditions but the race wasn't abandoned, so if you make the decision to retire you shouldn't be ranked in the results.
That's stupid in my opinion! I'm saying that anybody who finished under 24hrs didn't finish, hopefully that will move us up a few places 😆
The decision to change the rules was announced at the rider briefing so everyone was aware before the race started
The decision to change the rules was announced at the rider briefing so everyone was aware before the race started
From what I heard, they also announced that every rider had to do 2 laps - something which doesn't apply to an awful lot of teams (including the one I did a single lap for). Or does this rule not apply if no team member did 3 laps?
I'm fairly sure we're missing a lap, as one of my team-mates commented about the difference between his two laps, but he's only down as having done one - though we have the last lap with a finishing time of over 24 hours.
At the briefing it was announced that teams had to complete 1 lap each instead of 2, and then their time would count.
Pro-elites had to complete 3 laps each as opposed to four.
On reflection, quite satisfied with our 9 laps...!
At the briefing it was announced that teams had to complete 1 lap each instead of 2, and then their time would count.
Ah - admittedly I wasn't at the briefing, but could kind of hear it as I rode back to my car (parked in the day parking) - must have misheard that.
Had one of our times as 4 hours plus which has cost us a place. Admitadly he was our weekest rider but we had him down with a time of 2 hours 40 as we clocked all our riders. 😯
result update are online, They haven't changed our lap count...assume they have not done any...not good.
Ours is updated now 33rd in sport 🙂
Murdoch came in 9th in the Mens SoloThanks for noticing me! 😛
Emailed the timers they have altered me and me mates laps as they missed our last one out which got us up the rankings a couple of places in the solo squad.
Dwight fix that hole in your shorts the one the mud squirted through!!
diolch yn fawr blodwen
I think the results are still wrong as we have gone from 39th to 40th and totally missed our last riders time. Am sure if they add that to the results we would 27/28th (maybe wrong) as we did 10 laps not 9
So glad it was muddy! I had no idea the hole was so BIG!
Could see it all through your shorts in the solo tent boyo!!But I didnt tell you!!
[b]What a shambles.[/b]
Looking through each "group" of lap numbers, i.e. all the 10 laps, all the 9 laps etc, the teams that baled automatically get higher placings than the ones that stuck it out... 😡
Yes, doing 10 laps in <24 hrs (5 teams!) is obviously "quicker" than the 4 teams that managed to stay the course and do 10 laps...
... but it is an "endurance" event - the teams that endured, and reached the end should get the credit.
I agreed with what was said at the briefing - re declaring etc due to the conditions, but that shouldn't be at the expense of those teams that [u]completed[/u] the event.
ETA:- 19 of the top 50 teams in Sport Men had times < 24:00:00
The Wiggle Mountain Mayhem "bit less than" 24 HR Mountain Bike Endurance Event TM
ETA:- 19 of the top 50 teams in Sport Men had times < 24:00:00
Our team is like yours rkr01 in that we're over 24 hours in Sport category.
But personally I dont think its a problem. All the teams you've listed got more than 22 hours. Presumably they could of stayed and sent someone on a walk round and got another lap does it matter ?
You can see why they did this if you look at our results "The Burn" (sport men). Our last rider was determined to do another lap.
We came in at 26 hours 59 minutes ie 3 hours over time ! He was the last person to finish. Some may have been slower than him. The people organising the event would never have got home !
My post does re-read as a little harsh...
As posted, I did agree with the changes announced at the briefing. Just looked a little odd going through the results table.
Someone ^^ posted, there's almost 2 categories of final results. Not sure I'd advocate going that far, but was surprised at how many had declared early
not sure if this has been mentioned here, but has made some of the people on the MM FB page a little upset,
2nd placed solo appears to be swapping bikes mid lap
Interesting. A bit daft doing it in the middle of the day. Still Dan's ride and position was well deserved I think! Great riding.
But then our finish time still shows 20hrs as they have missed off the last 2 laps, when we in fact finished at 24:16, could be others
Does it specifically say in the rules you can't change bikes mid-lap?
Not in the spirit of things really, but is it actually not allowed? Considering the prizes involved are (or always used to be) pretty good, I'd be aggrieved if I was 3rd/4th and had been beaten like that!
not sure if this has been mentioned here, but has made some of the people on the MM FB page a little upset,
2nd placed solo appears to be swapping bikes mid lap
Well, he's swapping bikes at his pit area. Which is where they'd be kept! He's still having to do a whole lap in between changing bikes, so whereabouts on the course it is doesn't really make much difference - ESPECIALLY given how difficult it was to get set up anywhere near the course due to the conditions!
I fail to see any difference between changing bikes there and at the solo tent.
Aye, but the issue is if he's then changing at the solo tent as well.
...and why should he have the advantage of a "pit area" where he chooses, when everybody else is using the official one?
Nick - it does specifically say in the rules no outside assistance when out on the course (which covers swapping bikes I should think).
99.999% sure he wasn't.
(For one thing it was taking more than half a lap's worth of time to clean a bike, so he'd get to the solo tent before the spare bike did!)
...and why should he have the advantage of a "pit area" where he chooses, when everybody else is using the official one?
He probably didn't "choose" there, it will have been somewhat dictated by where his car got stuck! 😉
Most soloists set up somewhere trackside in the solo camping field each year, rather than lug stuff to the big marquee. In fact in recent years that big tent's been nearly empty.
Nick - it does specifically say in the rules no outside assistance when out on the course (which covers swapping bikes I should think).
Yep, I'd agree with that!
One of the (leading) Scott girls team punctured, and was about to be handed a wheel, but the (2nd placed) Four 4th team were armed with a camera to catch them in the act! Was quite amusing, it took her quite a while to sort.
To be fair to Scott it was one of their mechanics who stopped her being handed a wheel. Luckily a very helpful guy racing stopped and gave her a hand getting her tyre sorted out. Funny to watch as half of the Scott team where leaning over the barrier giving advice. Hope he got the promised free t-shirt. Karma restored the balance as one of the Four4th girls punctured on the next lap!
In the video above I think that is fine if that is the riders designated pit and they aren't getting assistance anywhere else. It would breaking the rules if you where also getting assistance at any other point on the course. If you have friends riding in a team it makes sense to pit with them, rather than on your own.
(For one thing it was taking more than half a lap's worth of time to clean a bike, so he'd get to the solo tent before the spare bike did!)
If you queued for the jetwash maybe. Otherwise does it really take you more than 50 minutes to clean a bike with your own kit?
He probably didn't "choose" there, it will have been somewhat dictated by where his car got stuck!Most soloists set up somewhere trackside in the solo camping field each year, rather than lug stuff to the big marquee. In fact in recent years that big tent's been nearly empty.
Except where he's getting his change is nowhere near the solo camping field - which is right next the the solo tent, hence nobody would even comment about a change being done there.
If you queued for the jetwash maybe. Otherwise does it really take you more than 50 minutes to clean a bike with your own kit?
Yes. There were a few of us helping two solo riders. At one point, it was taking over an hour (for one person) to clean and fix each bike - and we were using a dirt worker. The mud/grass combo was nuts.
Does it really matter where his pit is? He has one bike change (assuming two bikes) per lap, as does everyone else. They said in the briefing that solo riders didn't have to pit in the solo tent and it's pretty customary for riders to pit wherever - they certainly have done at every solo event I've ridden at (MM,SiTS, 24/12, Strathpuffer).
If you queued for the jetwash maybe. Otherwise does it really take you more than 50 minutes to clean a bike with your own kit?
Aye, it really was taking that amount of time!
You could probably have got the bike back to "it'll do" levels of cleanliness in less time (provided you weren't getting distracted, or having to do other things like get food/drinks/clothing ready), but few soloists that are 'in it to win it'* would want a bike that wasn't properly race ready each time.
Except where he's getting his change is nowhere near the solo camping field - which is right next the the solo tent, hence nobody would even comment about a change being done there.
It would have been, i imagine, if he'd been able to get there! Even if it wasn't, provided he only used one area as a replacement for the solo marquee it would be difficult to argue he's gaining any unfair advantage.
*Or are just fussy buggers.
njee20 - MemberAye, but the issue is if he's then changing at the solo tent as well.
But he wasn't. 🙄
and why should he have the advantage of a "pit area" where he chooses, when everybody else is using the official one?
They weren't. 🙄
2nd placed solo appears to be swapping bikes mid lap
that was Dan's pit area.( his whole set up was at this location and he never once even went near the soloists tent)
being one of his pit crew for the weekend I can 100% say that he only pitted at this point on the course for the duration of the event .
sometimes he he swapped his bike after one lap sometimes he did two laps between swapping bikes.
I hope all this ill educated talk of cheating is not taking too much off the edge of Dans pleasure at his well deserved achievement in such harsh conditions.
full marks to anyone who completed it
people should really get the full facts before trying to discredit honest folk