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I often see RLJing and this is by buses, lorries, cars, taxis, motorbikes, mopeds and bicycles.
Lorries, cars and taxis jumping red lights. No. Surely it is ONLY lycra lout cyclists that do that?
Apparently not.
I would run a national ad campaign for cycle safety, and have equal time for BOTH sides. Educate motorists to respect cyclists, and educate cyclists to respect the rules and not take the piss.
FWIW the two examples this morning were one of each gender. The bloke sailed through a left turn without even looking, cutting up the inside of a van pulling away also turning left; the woman just sailed straight on also appearing not to look 😯
thought the stats suggested women generally stop at lights and consequently a higher % (than men) get run over by left turning trucks? Or have women read those stats and changed their behaviour?then by far the biggest group of offenders are women.
Sad, but I have to agree with the above having commuted in London for about 10 years. The opposing lights would changes - several taxis, busses etc would go through on amber then red; when 'my' lights were changing there would be the private cars still coming through, more often than not, singlular female motorists. I'm far from being a misogynist, it's just what I frequently observed.
I'm really hoping that the massive publicity that this stupidity has caused will create a better world for cyclists. Hatred for 2 wheelers seems to be endemic in much the way that most other forms of xenophobia are in the UK. Racism and Homophobia appear to be on the decline thanks to widespread publicity, maybe we'll be next.
I regularly HAVE to jump [url= http://goo.gl/maps/jkVcF ]this set of lights[/url].
In my defence the road I'm coming from is a dead-end (roughly 15 metres long) leading to a boat ramp, the road I'm going to is a dead-end that only leads to the pub, and the one I'm crossing only has traffic in one direction at a time due to the single-lane bridge on it.
Also the sensor on those lights often fails to pick up bikes - I sat there for two complete cycles the other day before giving up. 😕
I'm such a lout
[i]GrahamS and I have had off stw forays into arguing with car lovers on this issue [/i]
I think I've ridden past you a few times on night rides. Was the argument around who was next?
Middle age women in white Range Rovers
+1
I was surprised to be impressed by Carlton, very calm level headed. I'd worried he would be a them and us type, proved wrong I was. pretty obvious the lorry guy wasn't listening to what other people were saying.
"Can you rant about cyclists for a few minutes?"
"Too bloody right I can"
"You're booked"
GrahamS - I don't think I have ever stopped at those lights.
GrahamS - I don't think I have ever stopped at those lights.
I feel obliged to, cos I'm usually wearing the Sustrans hiviz vest.
And also I don't like fuelling the "cyclists don't stop at red" thing.
But to be honest they are utterly pointless and in a saner world of personal responsibility there wouldn't be any lights there at all.
I once got warmly congratulated by an old boy for having the good character to stop at them... as him and his mate drifted through them on their bikes.. 😆
On the whole RLJ thing I just treat every junction as if it had a ASL. The one outside work has probably a 40m gap between the stop line and the roundabout it's controlling. So I could either sit there and hold trafic up riding onto the roundabout (by the time I got there the cars coming from the right could be on green). Or just go straight through the 'red light' and stop at the roundabout (as the light itself is still visible) and wait there so I'm not fighting it out with a load of fustrated idiots in tin boxes.
If the roudabout was actualy set up for bikes then I'd obay the letter of the law, untill then I'll just do my own risk assessment and ride accordingly.
I just treat every junction as if it had a ASL
Me too - good sense.
Once upon a time i jumped a couple of sets of red lights in succession with a police van closely following me from behind. I was late as usual and giving it the clappers, the lads in the van seemed not to disapprove at all.
ASL's, complete rubbish.
Just given drivers a new line to pull up at, meaning the cheeky space that bikes and motorbikes used to have available to pull into at the front is often gone. If the ASL is clear, then a motorbike is expected to filter and stop between the rows of traffic - and if you're following that motorbike then you're stuck. And because even a cyclist shouldn't enter it through the solid line then in most cases you must filter on the far left if you want to use - and in some cases even a cyclist can't legally enter it because it's ALL solid white line.
No wonder they're not enforced.
My old commute had a left turn then down a road where vehicles could not pass me for about 1/4 mile. I could obey the lights and then hold them all up or jump them and be clear by the time they turned green. The later was also safer for me
She has apologised!
http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/update/2013-05-22/im-sorry-says-cycle-tweet-girl/
For tweeting, not the rest of it. Oh well.
That ITV video is absolutely unbelievable. I hope it's an edited version that cuts out her apology for hitting him in the first place.
Sorry my arse, what a cretin
National? You wish. The whole world has heard about this by now, love. 😆
Is that edited ? She seems to be only be sorry about what the consequences have been for her rather than for doing a hit and run or hitting someone...she does not seem to get the point.
It must be edited
Yes, I too am confident that she has entirely seen the error of her ways and is now a changed, good person.
Slightly longer version here:
Where she says "she would obviously apologise" but she didn't hit him his handlebar just "donked the mirror".
Oh and "I'm a cyclist myself" 🙄
Permission to get very excited about her reply please !!!!!
Permission granted!
with a bit of luck, she will loose her job, possibly her driving lisence,this is the only things that these morons will understand, when they get hit in their pockets, as far as all theses car tax debates, i think you give these morons too much credit, do you really think she would have behaved any differently if cyclists had a tax disc in front of their bikes,they only spout out the tax crap because thats the way they justify the way they feel about cyclists,it all comes down to one thing, were in their way full stop, how many times have you drivers seen a vehicle speed past you to only catch them up at traffic lights, nothing to do with tax, all about getting one car in front, its about time the government took its head out of its arse and started handing out siffer sentences, the only way these drivers will listen is when their jobs and driving lisences are on the line, instead of having a slap on the wrist and a small fine, theres enough speed cameras to catch these idiots, its just not one of the governments priorities, after all if loads of these drivers lost thier jobs who would pay their benefits, my rant over .
She doesn't to me come off to well in that video/interview at all, apology to the cyclist as almost an after thought, her career may be over, against the fact she could of ended somebody else's career or even their life, and just exactly can it be blown out of proportion?
That video doesn't quite have the desired effect, does it... She's clearly sincerely remorseful for the accident and her inability to drive safely, that's the overwhelming message I took from that.
and just exactly can it be blown out of proportion?
No, you've got it wrong, it's been "blown out of [i]precaution[/i]"
Bollox, Steviecapt has got far more excited about this than I could have ever done !
that video is horrific
"...if i could take back doing that tweet i would."
NOT SORRY ABOUT HITTING THE CHAP ARE YOU?! shes just sorry she got caught. i hope this event has ruined her life.
She's clearly sincerely remorseful for the accident and her inability to drive safely, that's the overwhelming message I took from that.
That's definitely the bit she's most sorry about.
Excitable1 / Bollox, Steviecapt has got far more excited about this than I could have ever done ! No not in the least, been riding cycles too long to get upset about these things mate, just my view, nothing will ever change about these drivers unless thier made to by hitting their pockets only thing they understand lol
Right, watched the video and she comes across as wanting to be the victim. Well, tough excrement you silly girl.
Anyway, back to my scientific research. On my was I witnessed only 1 RLJ (if you don't count the BMW abusing the ASL) and that was a bicycle, ridden by a woman. So there it is, a fact, it's all women!
No sympathy at all for this idiot, she new she hit someone at the end of The day and then laughed about it! Makes me sick shell prob get off lightly I hope hey make an example of her stupid b@(ch
Sorry the silly bint deserves everything she gets! I hope she loses her job & her license because she bloody well deserves to.
Her attempt to try & gain sympathy from the audience is disgusting & insulting.
As for that bloke with her, hes just as bad!
No mention of apologising directly to the cyclist from either!
watched the video and whilst i can understand legally that she has to be careful what she says, the bloke trying to say it is just one of those things.
No it was hit and run, she left the scene of an accident, should she have stopped at the time, it would have been bad enough but to just drive off. Sorry she deserves everything she gets.
To be honest i think she would have been better off saying nothing, let the police do their bit and then once that was out of the way, then she could start making excuses.
[url= http://road.cc/content/news/81904-more-8000-drivers-have-12-or-more-points-their-licence-and-are-still-allowed ]http://road.cc/content/news/81904-more-8000-drivers-have-12-or-more-points-their-licence-and-are-still-allowed[/url]
The law in the UK is broken, the point of a driving licence has been forgotten. they were there to ensure drivers were safe to be on the road.
I might have had some sympathy for her on the basis that it may have just been an accidental clip of the bars on her wing mirror, but the tweet was a bloody full on brag and rant about it which when read along side her tweet of her speedo at 95mph proves her to be a bloody in considerate dick head on the road and she needs to be ****in prosecuted for it.
What if it an was accidental clip of an old lady's shopping trolley or school child's bag when she was driving like a dick head, there would be no question of prosecution.
After watching closely the video, she displays virtually no guilt or shame, instead I see annoyance, alarm, nervousness and evasiveness (winking, shaking her head, bearing her teeth, corners of her mouth up, shrugging, looking away).
She in no way shows any remorse for what she did, compounded by the language used; "stupid tweet", not "stupid me", "everyone does it!" means "don't blame me!" and so on. Although she realises that it WAS wrong, she still hasn't understood yet WHY she was wrong, which in itself is troubling.
Looking at it rationally, I and perhaps others here, see in this girl a reflection of everyone who has ever hit / nearly hit / threatened us, and who gives us a rare chance to express our feelings (even via a forum) against those we can't otherwise.
Therefore on an irrational and personal level, she is a * and deserves everything she gets (like the fat * in the blue Y reg L200 near Corwen on Tuesday morning - see?)
As for the drivers with more than 12 points, this can happen if for example you are on 6 points (I know, careless in itself), then go through several GATSO's along a stretch of road (yes I know). Four SP40's = 12 points + 6 points = 18 points, or multiple offences (uninsured AND speeding AND defective tyres, etc).
If at the magistrates you must plead exceptional hardship (e.g. genuinely bad like "I live in the middle of nowhere and my kid has cancer and I need to get him to hospital every week", not "poor me I'd lose my job").
Quite how you'd get to 36 though I'm not sure, other than being exceptionally exceptional, or something.
There's no remorse in that video. Just expressions of self-pity. I don't think she's normal. To boast about something like this, then have the story go global as it has, to be suspended and have your whole future in doubt, and to react without any apparent feelings of guilt... well I hope she has her licence taken away and is given a full psychological test before she's allowed back in charge of any kind of road vehicle...
I think the dopey cow is just trying to avoid admitting any guilt to the hit and run in the hope that lack of any other evidence will see her get away with it.
schnor, whilst i know what your saying the point is though that the driver with 36 points has not been disqualified. S/he is still allowed to drive, and that is the shocking part of it. It should be hit 12 points you loose your licence with no exceptions. No hardship clause, you know the rules when you take a licence, if you get caught breaking the rules tough.
Driving is a privilege not a right!
Blimey, just read the article and watched the TV interview with Emma Way linked on the previous page. It says the man with her, Simon Nicholls, is her solicitor - what an idiot, why did he ever allow her to do the interview? They've made a bad situation even worse. She comes off terribly in the interview. I can see he must have advised her to be careful what she said but all she seems sorry for is the trouble she's caused for herself. Presumably the aim was to drum up some public sympathy but I would have thought it's had exactly the opposite effect. Certainly any sympathy I may have had, not for her actions btw, but sympathy for a young girl way out of her depth and very publicly in alot of serious trouble has completely evaporated after that self absorbed "poor little me" act. If I ever need the advice of a solicitor I must remember not to go to him!
Wow. Well that didn't go well.
I think the dopey cow is just trying to avoid admitting any guilt to the hit and run in the hope that lack of any other evidence will see her get away with it.
Except she did just admit to it, there on that video. She doesn't come across as the brightest button in the box.
I was just thinking the same as billyboulders - no way would I hire him as my solicitor if he let her do that interview.
That was a beautiful interview, as has been said, no remorse about what she did, only about the creek she now appears to find herself in without a paddle.
I'd suggest she change her name to Emma No Way on her CV, but Hans Rey might get upset with the association!
[url= http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2013-05-22/new-mayor-crashes-into-tesco/ ]new mayor crashes into tesco[/url]
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The new mayor of an area of Suffolk is recovering after driving his car into a branch of Tesco Express.Terry Buckle, who was made Mayor of St Edmundsbury in a ceremony last week, accidentally drove a silver Vauxhall Vectra through the doors of the supermarket in Lawson Place, Bury St Edmunds.
He was unharmed but suffered shock and was taken to hospital as a precaution.
How's he done that then?? I'd love to hear his explanation.
He got it pretty accurately through those doors - wonder if he thought "Express" meant it was a drive-thru.
Miss Way must be worried knowing that the elected officials in the South East are such sticklers in safe driving 😀
when watching that interview,i kept imagining a line of irate cyclists with weapons (like that bit from airplane film with the hysterical lady) 😆
this is actually how her apology came across to me
Her solicitor, is as good at his job as she is at driving. He should have primed her very carefully before letting her into that interview.
She is clearly only sorry about one thing and that's not hitting a bloke on a bike.
Where's Max Clifford when you need him?
Oh, yeah... the day just brightened up. 😀
Quite how you'd get to 36 though I'm not sure, other than being exceptionally exceptional, or something.
According to an FoI request made by the Green Party's London Assembly member, around half of drivers in London with over 12 points are still driving... and one bloke was on 30. That's London, England, with its famously sparse public transport.
http://road.cc/content/blog/84223-cycling-and-law-what-your-experience-asks-jenny-jones
that girl is the best thing that could of happened to the cyclist she hurt, everytime she opens her mouth people feel more sympathy for the cyclist and more agrieved against her, hope she does a few more videos, shes helping the cyclists cause no end and the rest of us at the same time, cant fault it, they make a good team emma way and her side kick the solicitor
samuri - MemberHer solicitor, is as good at his job as she is at driving. He should have primed her very carefully before letting her into that interview.
She is clearly only sorry about one thing and that's not hitting a bloke on a bike.
Agree obviously she is sorry that events have caught up on her.
Disregarding Ms Wray and sidekick solicitor, what about the interviewer?! "What did it [the tweet] say?"
"I don't remember exactly. That I'd knocked a cyclist off his bike"
[Next question].
Seriously! Why did he not come back on that? Along the lines of - it was quite memorable actually considering what you'd just done, I'll read out the tweet for you if you don't quite remember...
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Seriously! Why did he not come back on that? Along the lines of - it was quite memorable actually considering what you'd just done, I'll read out the tweet for you if you don't quite remember...
Because he's trying to get a good soundbite and please the audience. Attacking her will do him no good and most viewers will be sympathetic drivers, as opposed to cyclists.
Agreed. The interviewer was ridiculously soft. The interview looked more like a PR stunt arranged by the lawyer.
Not really a very good PR stunt if so. Or will the more dimwitted (car drivers) watch that and think that actually she didn't do anything wrong?
I got too cross to watch it all, did the lawyer ever say anything or did he just sit there?
I got pissed off with it aswell, a sympathetic interviewer let her getaway with a half apology and glossing over other the actual issues - and she's only really sorry about what's happened to her.
Just watched the interview. Why oh why did she agree to do that? She doesn't refer to the actual incident, I guess her solicitor advised her not to mention it. So it just comes accross as a whiney, self indulgent plee for sympathy that she has been caught out.
I blame the parents*. To her it's all about being caught, not responsibility.
* not really of course, but it's something parents should bear in mind.
"I'm really really very sorry that I got caught."
comes across like that to cyclists on here, wonder how it plays all the drivers out there who will be a lot more sympathetic.....?So it just comes accross as a whiney, self indulgent plee for sympathy that she has been caught out
Just got round to listening to the jeremy vine thing, what a couple of nobbers (vine and that swivel eyed loon lorry driver) driver spouts a load of hate and Vine instead of saying that's not the issue or that's 1 example of bad cycling he just asked carlton to defend cyclists. grrr.
Basically her entire thing was "I made a mistake, I should have kept quiet about running someone over". Not once did she sound like she was sorry for actually hitting the bloke.
comes across like that to cyclists on here, wonder how it plays all the drivers out there who will be a lot more sympathetic.....?
I see what you mean, but I don't think she came accross in a like-able way to most people. She also did admit that she hit the cyclist, although apparently it was only a tap. So she is admitting she hit the guy, and presumably there are other witnesses to suggest it was more than a mere tap. It's not looking good for her.
As far as her job goes, we'll never know the full picture. She may well be all kinds of useless at work anyway, I really doubt someone who was good at their job and of value to the company would be sacked / suspended for this.
As regards the incident, she refused to admit that she'd done any harm to the cyclist. She says something like "if I could see he was hurt" she'd say sorry, but in the absence of an admission or an apology it seems she doesn't think she caused him any harm or injury and doesn't therefore owe him an apology.
It did say in one report that she has been suspended at work. Small result atleast.
What she said...
"If I did cause any damage to him, I would obviously apologize," Way says of Hockley. "But I didn't feel him even touch my car, so — apart from his handlebar donked the wing mirror.... If I knew that he was hurt, I never would have driven off. That is just not in my nature."
"I just want to say sorry [for] any discomfort it's caused for anybody. And if I could take back doing that tweet, I would," she says. "You know, my whole career is at risk now."
thing is until I saw the interview I was of the opinion she shouldn't loose her job, but goshdarnit she's changed my mind...
I think her punishment should be whenever she meets people, or enters any room containing strangers she MUST introduce herself, and say what she did.
It did say in one report that she has been suspended at work. Small result atleast.
Hopefully they'll sack her for bringing her profession into disrepute. No company wants to be associated with a moron like her, especially a professional services company.
Is she chewing gum on national telly too ?.... if my mother were alive she'd get a clip round the ear 'ole just for that !
apart from his handlebar donked the wing mirror
Like the driver that hit me in similar circumstances a month or so ago? The driver that stopped. Then wound down their window, fiddled with a broken wing mirror but then drove off in a hurry as I rode up to the car, one-handed with my painful arm at my side? The police took interest in that - if there's an injury they take it as an incident to be investigated and in this case a hit and run. Handlebar - or arm, hand, how would you know? Better to stop and check eh.
If you're not aware of this Ms Way, maybe a re-test wouldn't be a bad idea, twitter idiocy issues aside.
i've been verbified, awesome! 😆apart from his handlebar donked the wing mirror
What a bubbled headed idiot. See the gap between these lines -- that's how much sympathy I have for her "predicament". She did a hit and run and probably got away with it, but then she tweeted about!
"Social media is blown out of all precaution"(sic).
Yeah you should know, moron
I can't get over how she sees the cyclist as a thing, she's sorry if she damaged the cyclist. You damage a car wing mirror, you HURT people, unless you don't see them as people. Social media is rapidly exposing how many people in this country actually think and view others. She's a prime example, spouting all sorts of twaddle on Twitter, if you do it often enough and others agree you come to believe it.
I hope she gets banned from driving, and properly fined. I hope she loses her job, not for what happened but the media circus that she's caused, that interview being a point in case.
Thats the thing isnt it?
Shes clearly bereft of an appropriately lined moral compass to live in normal society.
How else do you explain her actions???
I thought i saw a loaf of bread named after her earlier.
Then i realised it said "Thick Cut"
Shes clearly bereft of an appropriately lined moral compass to live in normal society.
I don't think she's alone there.......
PMSL @ numbnut!
she'll be on celebrity big brother next year the way this countries screwed up system works.