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[url= http://road.cc/content/news/84212-norwich-police-seek-driver-who-tweeted-about-collision-cyclist ]Link[/url]
I hope the Old Bill catch her - she sounds a bloody dangerous & ignorant liability!
If you're on twitter, have a look at @cyclehatred - she's far from an isolated case, sadly
Deleted Twitter and Facebook accounts a little too late it seems.
Dear me, that cycle hatred really is a bit depressing. What sad, little people. Does anybody bother try discussing with them at all? Not that it would make much difference I guess.
Good to see her looks back up the stereotype!
Looks like she may have been busted and someone grassed her up to her employers
[url= http://ipayroadtax.com/no-such-thing-as-road-tax/i-knocked-a-cyclist-off-his-bike-i-have-right-of-way-he-doesnt-even-pay-road-tax/ ]Simpleton[/url]
I quite like the idea of those road tax jerseys.
I have one of those ipayroadtax t- shirts and I'd recommend one. Good quality material and logo, fits well, provokes debate. I enjoy wearing it in work. You quickly find out who is onside and who isn't. The latter get targeted with education campaigns. 😉
I followed that cyclehatred for a while, pretty depressing on both sides of the coin.
Pretty interesting that they mention in the article that most tweets come from young female drivers. Seemed to be the case when i was following.
Shouldn't it be 'I don't need to pay road tax' though!
Or
'You don't pay road tax, and neither do I!'
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not very bright for a trainee accountant...
can't be arsed posting her nam, address, place of work etc. It is all over the Internet.
I do wonder what the police will do? Did she hit a cyclist, in which case could argue attempted murder, as she says she deliberately hit the cyclist. If she is lying does that count as incitement?
Notice one tweet where someone says they rang her work to have a go....
@scotroutes, i was hopeing it was a stupid girl bragging, not a stupid girl actually trying to kill people...
So, lets see the outcome of this.....
I can't imagine what she thought would be the outcome of posting that on twitter.
If it's true they can't bang her up for long enough.
Matt
Lols at her previous tweets moaning about how sh*t her life is.
that cycle hatred really is a bit depressing.
I've unfollowed a load of people on Twitter similar to that one. Actually puts me off going out on the bike. 🙁
She's clearly a ****ing clown, but grassing her up to her employer it petty and pathetic. Let the police handle it.
vorlich - MemberShe's clearly a **** clown, but grassing her up to her employer it petty and pathetic. Let the police handle it.
Wrong, grassing her up and seriously messing with her is exactly what she needs. Petty and pathetic?? i think we have very differing ideas on this one.
but grassing her up to her employer it petty and pathetic. Let the police handle it.
But way down the list of bad things compared to using a car as a weapon to run a cyclist off the road, then boasting about it on twitter. In fact by comparison its completely insignificant.
end of the day, she has used her car as a weapon, she has deliberately tried to knock a cyclist off, i won't say she tried to kill him. I hope she was too stupid to understand just how serious her actions could have been.
She should loose her licence at the very least, and a prison sentence to make a statement that this behaviour is totally unacceptable. Plus maybe some time in A&E or around people who have suffered serious injuries just so she is aware of what she could have done.
Houns - Member
Lols at her previous tweets moaning about how sh*t her life is.POSTED 24 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
I think it's about to get a whole lot worse 😆
I followed that cyclehatred for a while, pretty depressing on both sides of the coin.Pretty interesting that they mention in the article that most tweets come from young female drivers. Seemed to be the case when i was following.
Doesn't surprise me really. As a regular cycle commuter I reckon I'm one of the select few who can accurately predict how I'm going to die - under the wheels of one of these self absorbed, self obsessed, "powered by fairy dust", slightly chubby barbie dolls too busy checking out their facebook to watch where they're going. They're worse drivers than their male counterparts who at least have some driving ability to go with their over-confidence.
I think it's about to get a whole lot worse
I do hope so.
There does seem to be a lot of (mostly younger) people who don't realise that posting on twitter is broadcasting to world, not chatting to their mates in the pub.
Her boss has shown up in the comments of the road.cc story so it sounds like she'll be very aware by now how silly she has been regardless of what the police can/will do.
Is this really such a surprise when dicks like Jeremy Clarkson are allowed to spew forth anti-cyclist bile (disguised as humour) on state-owned TV and he's held up to be some sort of wonderful celebrity across the nation - including by many on this site?
Been following that one as it developed, I really think a few cases like this where the police respond favourably and more importantly where it's shown that such actions have serious consequences for the perpetrator could actually help in the long run.
Of course, that assumes that the police will actually do something rather than just tell her not be such a silly little girl, now run along and play nicely.
And there's the first anti clarkson comment
Houns - are going to deny he has made anti-cyclist comments on Top Gear? That he has encouraged drivers not to respect cyclists right to be on the roads? Or are you just going to make some smart-arsed comment and leave it there?
Could probably do with some sort of tv ad campaign, something along the lines of the anti drink driving one's that run every christmas:
Paying road tax doesn't give you ownership of the road.
You're not actually getting held up by a significant amount of time.
Cyclists are squishy when hit with big bits of metal.
They need more than a pubes width when passing.
Might help to change attitudes.
MSP - Memberbut grassing her up to her employer it petty and pathetic. Let the police handle it.
But way down the list of bad things compared to using a car as a weapon to run a cyclist off the road, then boasting about it on twitter. In fact by comparison its completely insignificant.
If she used her employers computer, or mobile phone and if she had a car provided by her accountancy firm then yes it is for her employer to know, i wouldnt want someone who brags about hitting a cyclist working for me, or even using the roads.
There does seem to to be a large number of young women who fail to obey the rules and laws of the road and thats from local and national press coverage.
double post again
Paying road tax doesn't give you ownership of the road.
This road tax of which you speak, what is it? I believe Mr Churchill abolished it before the last big European unpleasantness.
Interesting case this one. I'd be interested to see what sentence she gets (if) convicted.
The rozzers should take a dim view of leaving the scene of an incident and the twitter bragging should only serve to compound the picture of her as a remorseless, entitled, ignorant moron...
As for the clarksonites. There are a few dickheads about who think he's an actual person I think of his top gear persona as a work of fiction/hyperbole. He is entertaining because its mostly pretend.
This road tax of which you speak, what is it?
(Takes deep breath).
It's a colloquialism. Like alcohol tax (not its real name), or tobacco tax (ditto).
It's a tax certain users must pay to use our roads. It's disguised (not very well, but it works with simpletons apparently) as an emissions tax, but as vehicles that don't use public roads (closed course rally & race cars, motocross bikes, trials bikes, aircraft, etc.) don't have to pay the tax, it's obviously just a Road Tax.
Now, some people will then note that Road Tax isn't even spent on roads. No shit Sherlock! Tobacco Tax isn't spent on tobacco, and Alcohol Tax isn't spent on alcohol either.
The only fair outcome of the drivers actions would be a total ban with retest required.
This road tax of which you speak, what is it?
It's what dim wits believe they pay. It entitles them to cripple non-payers in order to get to their destination 30 seconds faster.
This road tax of which you speak, what is it?
It needs to be a module either as part of the driving test or in those speed awareness courses.
Wonder how EmmaWay20 would feel if a lorry gave her a "punishment tap" as she drove along a motorway and then tweeted that he'd done it cos he paid far more "road tax" that her so she deserved it.
The depressing stupidity of so many people never fails to upset me. 🙁
Lots more detail on roadcc, and the cyclist writes as well as her boss.
From road.cc
Update: We've spoken to Toby Hockley, the rider involved in the collision, to get a bit of background on the incident. He's pretty sure it was him, anyway. "The police said it was me", he told us, and the time and location fit the bill."I was riding on a country B-road with a friend, and descending a hill on a blind right hand corner", Toby told us. "I was sticking to the left as the corner was blind. A car came round in the opposite direction going much too quickly to make the corner safely. It missed the rider in front of me but hit me, my right leg caught the front right wing. I was thrown up onto the bonnet, I hit the side of windsrceen and the wing mirror. I bounced back off the car and went through a hedge for about 20 metres. I managed to keep control of the bike; the back brake had locked on but I managed to rejoin the road and stop in the middle of it"
Amazingly Toby made it through the incident with only minor damage to himself and the bike. "I have a sore elbow, a bruised knee, nettle stings from riding through the hedge, but nothing serious", he told us. "The headset of the bike is loose from the collision, one of the levers got knocked round the bars and there's bits of nettle in the chain, but I think the bike is intact."
"Myself and my friend burst out laughing when we finally came to a stop, more out of shock than anything else", he said. "You count your limbs and carry on".
I pay the modern equivalent of "road tax". £20. Does that purple piece of paper I just handed over give me the right to incite a hate crime?
It can be interesting to mentally insert the ethnic group of choice instead of cyclist in those tweets. (Dont do it online 🙂 )
Hopefully she will be parted from her weapon of choice for a while, but I am not holding my breath.
I am glad Toby Hockley made it, that was frightening reading.
"The only fair outcome of the drivers actions would be a total ban with retest required"
How is this the 'only fair outcome'?
This road tax of which you speak, what is it? I believe Mr Churchill abolished it before the last big European unpleasantness.
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If she used her employers computer, or mobile phone and if she had a car provided by her accountancy firm then yes it is for her employer to know, i wouldnt want someone who brags about hitting a cyclist working for me, or even using the roads.There does seem to to be a large number of young women who fail to obey the rules and laws of the road and thats from local and national press coverage.
Yes. If.
but as vehicles that don't use public roads (closed course rally & race cars, motocross bikes, trials bikes, aircraft, etc.) don't have to pay the tax, it's obviously just a Road Tax.
Yup, that tends to spoil the 'no such thing as road tax' line that people keep trotting out.
if only every driver that hit a cyclist and drove off was monumentally stupid enough to brag about it on twitter ........
At what point in this saga is she going to get off on appeal due to prejudicial coverage of the case before the trail?
Because I [i]really[/i] don't want that to happen
"The only fair outcome of the drivers actions would be a total ban with retest required"How is this the 'only fair outcome'?
it is a starting point.
Problem with the test it doesn't do attitude, you just have to prove you can drive, not that you won't be a cock.
> but as vehicles that don't use public roads (closed course rally & race cars, motocross bikes, trials bikes, aircraft, etc.) don't have to pay the tax, it's obviously just a Road Tax.Yup, that tends to spoil the 'no such thing as road tax' line that people keep trotting out.
It doesn't though does it. Because it's bollocks.
To use Tuckers example: it is like referring to Alcohol [s]Tax[/s] Duty (it's real name) as "Pub Tax" and claiming that's its proper name as "everyone" in the pub pays it, yet if you brew your own moonshine in the garage you don't have to pay it.
More to the point paying "Pub Tax" doesn't give you the right to glass someone who is drinking Coke.
I hope the Police throw the book at her and her employers too. Does she have no conscience?
We need some kind of psychological element to the driving test.
[quote=brooess ]I hope the Police throw the book at her and her employers too.
I don't think her employers should share the blame....
😉
What's the point in an academic argument about whether road tax exists? We all know that roads are mostly funded by the general taxation that everyone pays, the overwhelming majority of cyclists who are old enough to drive will be paying VED anyway, and whether you make a financial contribution towards the road network is completely irrelevant to this issue anyway.
The @CycleHatred page is really depressing. Emma Way could only make a jokey public post about knocking someone down because we have a society where so many other people are saying similar things with no fear of opprobrium. Going back to an earlier point, Jeremy Clarkson is definitely guilty of helping to reinforce this culture:
“Trespassers in the motorcars domain, [cyclists] do not pay road tax and therefore have no right to be on the road, some of them even believe they are going fast enough to not be an obstruction. Run them down to prove them wrong.”
“Some people, usually on bicycles, bang on your roof as you go by and say they find your conspicuous consumption offensive. What I want to do at times like this is bang on their cycling helmets and say I find their poverty offensive. But I’m made from stronger stuff so I turn the other cheek and run them down.”
“Handy hints to those setting out on a bike for the first time…Do not cruise through red lights. Because if I’m coming the other way, I will run you down, for fun…Do not pull up at junctions in front of a line of traffic. Because if I’m behind you, I will set off at normal speed and you will be crushed under my wheels.”
Or how about Matthew Parris writing in the Times:
"A festive custom we could do worse than foster would be stringing piano wire across country lanes to decapitate cyclists"
I don't think for a minute that Clarkson or Parris really believe what they are writing, but they are unprincipled enough to take advantage of the prevailing culture to make a few quid, while loudly proclaiming that it's all tongue in cheek. In doing so, they help to reinforce that culture, and the lazy prejudices of people like Emma Way.
he also said this...
http://road.cc/content/news/56433-jeremy-clarkson-turns-cycling-advocate-he-praises-copenhagens-approach
Once she gets out of jail for attempting manslaughter, she should be sentenced to ride a bicycle for 5 years before getting a car licence again....
[quote=HoratioHufnagel ]he also said this...
http://road.cc/content/news/56433-jeremy-clarkson-turns-cycling-advocate-he-praises-copenhagens-approach
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Oh aye. Very understanding.Almost everyone goes almost everywhere on a bicycle."Now I know that sounds like the ninth circle of hell, but that’s because you live in Britain, where cars and bikes share the road space,” he continues. “This cannot and does not work. It’s like putting a dog and a cat in a cage and expecting them to get along. They won’t, and as a result London is currently hosting an undeclared war. I am constantly irritated by cyclists and I’m sure they’re constantly irritated by me.
"City fathers have to choose. Cars or bicycles. And in Copenhagen they’ve gone for the bike.
more on the beeb this morning
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-22602141
Toby Hockley should consider starting a skills course business. Hit head-on by car, up onto bonnet and window, back off, into hedge for 20 metres, stays on bike, ends up back on the road upright! 😯
Either that or he should hobble down to the newsagent and buy a lotto ticket.
Is this really such a surprise when dicks like Jeremy Clarkson are allowed to spew forth anti-cyclist bile (disguised as humour) on state-owned TV and he's held up to be some sort of wonderful celebrity across the nation - including by many on this site?
*yawn*
well said, kcr.
Prompted a discussion by BBC Norfolk, Nick Conrad (BBC reporter) has put this on his FB page... 🙄
NFN, as medical acronyms would say.
As some context, it seems quite a reasonable question in comparison with the rest of the show, which includes whether 'children should be taught pornography', whatever that means. The facebook page also includes this pearler of a topic:
"What is the point in putting expensive conditioner in your hair only to wash it out 3 mins later?"
Dunno what's with the NFU Calendar Girl pose though.
Once she gets out of jail for attempting manslaughter,
There's no such thing as 'attempted manslaughter'. There's also no 'assault with a deadly weapon' or 'assault with a vehicle' charge that so many below-the-line commenters seem to think should be used in these cases.
It's careless/dangerous driving and leaving the scene. For it to be attempted murder (isn't manslaughter when you mean to hurt someone/are negligent and [i]accidentally[/i] kill them? So how could you attempt to do something if you didn't want to do it?) there would have to be proof that she wanted to kill him, and was trying to kill him but failed.
In this world of logic people who walk across or along roads should be treated with the same disdain?
By the way, just how much of the roads budget comes from road tax and from general taxation? Would have thought some comes from council tax. Whilst we're on taxation just how many cyclist don't also own a car?
Prompted a discussion by BBC Norfolk, Nick Conrad (BBC reporter) has put this on his FB page..
Jeebus that guy is either impressively thick or cynically targeting himself at a [i]particular[/i] daytime audience demographic.
[i]"educate, inform and entertain"[/i] anyone?
Sadly you can't comment on his Facebook feed without becoming his friend - what a great way to get a balanced debate eh?
I know that these type of people are out there on the roads,I just try to keep thinking that they are still a minority ,and the chances of meeting them are fairly slim .
BBC Norfolk doing an excellent job there, top quality reporting. 🙄
A driver knocks a cyclist off his bike and leaves the scene and the only question they can ask is "should cyclists pay road tax?"
There simply aren't enough facepalm pictures in existence for me to express my true feelings here.
I'm confused by the conflicting statements of the rider involved.
[url= http://ipayroadtax.com/no-such-thing-as-road-tax/i-knocked-a-cyclist-off-his-bike-i-have-right-of-way-he-doesnt-even-pay-road-tax/ ]In this recount of events[/url] he says [i]A car came tearing round the blind corner and narrowly missed a cyclist in front of me. She came on to my side of the road, I took the wing mirror off and [b]I went flying off my bike into a hedge.[/b] She hit me hard, really hard. I am lucky to be alive. But I managed to get out of the hedge and stand up.[/i]
[url= http://road.cc/content/news/84212-norwich-police-seek-driver-who-tweeted-about-collision-cyclist ]and on this one[/url] [i]my right leg caught the front right wing. I was thrown up onto the bonnet, I hit the side of windsrceen and the wing mirror. I bounced back off the car and went through a hedge for about 20 metres. [b]I managed to keep control of the bike; the back brake had locked on but I managed to rejoin the road and stop in the middle of it[/b]"[/i]
I'm glad to see the bbc putting 'so called road tax' on their site though.
[quote=GrahamS ]Prompted a discussion by BBC Norfolk, Nick Conrad (BBC reporter) has put this on his FB page..
Jeebus that guy is either impressively thick or cynically targeting himself at a particular daytime audience demographic.
"educate, inform and entertain" anyone?
Sadly you can't comment on his Facebook feed without becoming his friend - what a great way to get a balanced debate eh?
Do BBC Norfolk have a page where you can comment?
Good news - they plan to have Carlton Reid on:
Carlton Reid ?@carltonreid
I'll be on @BBCnorfolk shortly after 11am, batting away the old chestnuts about "road tax" & insurance for cyclists.
Not like this is a sole case though. From today's [url= https://twitter.com/CycleHatred ]CycleHatred[/url] feed:
Sarah Edmondson ?@Edmo23
Passed 15 cyclists this morning, 7 of which i nearly knocked down, and only 2 wear wearing a helmet! #safetyfirst
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🙂NFN, as medical acronyms would say.
I really can't understand the idiots who boast about nearly hitting or threatening to hit a cyclist, if you're ever in a scrape with a cyclist it could come back to haunt you. Tweeting about actually hitting one is a whole other level of stupidity.
I had plenty of time to get across a busy junction this morning as the next lady in the queue of cars from my right was accelerating [i]very slowly[/i] due to having her phone at the top of her steering wheel texting away 🙄 maybe she was tweeting something destined to appear on cycle hatred (very depressing read)
ironometer just exploded7 of which i nearly knocked down, and only 2 wear wearing a helmet! #safetyfirst
Do BBC Norfolk have a page where you can comment?
I think this is the best bet..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/
Once these debates attract the usual "they all go through red lights" etc.. comments any hope for a rational debate goes out the window.
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I picked up on the change in his story too. Maybe the tale has grown in the telling.
" very slowly due to having her phone at the top of her steering wheel texting away"
the second setting of a hornit sounds like a siren - not a police siren just not a horn.....
sitting at lights with a woman doing as you describe on facebook - i could see as i sat next to her.....
slipped my hand onto the bars and touched the hornits button ..... phone flew over her shoulder and she was looking round all over for the police.....
BBC Norfolk have coverage now
includes this sidebar
[b]The so-called 'Road Tax'[/b]The comment on Twitter suggested Toby Hockley, as a cyclist, does not pay "road tax".
A road tax does not exist in the UK but the term is commonly and incorrectly used to refer to the Vehicle Excise Duty (VED), or "car tax" paid on most motorised vehicles as a tax on emissions.
Roads are funded by all UK taxpayers under general and local taxes.
Source:Gov.uk
There does seem to be a certain type of female driver that are very aggressive on the road. "Pushy Princesses" in their Minis and Fiat 500's, tailgating like crazy, always in the outside lane of the motorway and now it seems knocking off cyclists too.
I really hope they throw the book at her.
There does seem to be a certain type of female driver that are very aggressive on the road. "Pushy Princesses" in their Minis and Fiat 500's, tailgating like crazy, always in the outside lane of the motorway and now it seems knocking off cyclists too.
CycleHatred does seem to feature a disproportionate number of young women. Not sure if this reflects which group hate cyclists the most or just the demographics of twitter.
But I quite like Carlton's pop psychology analysis of this:
The tweets collected by @cyclehatred have shown that a surprising number of anti-cyclist comments are not coming from traditional ‘white van man’ but from young women, many of them clearly new to driving. What is it that’s making these otherwise unremarkable young women say such hateful things about cyclists? Perhaps it’s that young female motorists feel safe in their cars and often rely on them to get everywhere? For such women, perhaps the thought of being a cyclist – unprotected from ‘stranger danger’ and open to the elements – makes them shudder, and the way to reject and despoil this “other” is to vilify and mock it?
I really hope they throw the book at her.
Put her in a male prison? Too harsh perhaps?
BBC: "Toby, it would be really great if you could wear a cycling jersey for the photo, just so people can identify you as a cyclist, and not a human being..."
Someone should send this to Charlie Brooker
wrecker - MemberPut her in a male prison? Too harsh perhaps?
Wow, what a disgusting thought. Well done.
Just listening to BBC Norfolk.
Presenter blokey has massively turned down his rhetoric and is now claiming to be a cyclist himself (and his family.. some of his best friends.. etc) 😕
Wow. That 'cyclehatred' twitter feed is one of the most frustrating things I have ever seen. People often vent something without meaning it but there are some genuine head cases on there!