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So my fox forks are starting to wheeze and sound like they could do with a service. Probably in the region of £100 I think, quite fancy some of that funky gold coating. How much? Wrong side of £300.
I opened and closed the price list a couple of times to make sure I wasn't being dumb.... It can't be that much surely? For that sort of £ you'd be better off selling your 1 year old forks and buying new in the sales
I take it mojo have a monopoly on coating the stanchions so no one else I could look at?
Does kashima coating make that much difference?!
I don't think Mojo coat the stantion. I believe that you get a whole new stantion crown assembly.
I take it mojo have a monopoly on coating the stanchions so no one else I could look at?
I expect that price is for a new steerer assy.
That price is for a complete new crown steerer unit. And spares are always more expensive than you'd think. Mainly because they have no vested interest in keeping you forks going. They'd much rather you brought another pair.
Yep price is for the CSU, buy a 1000 and you might get a discount.
A Rock Shox CSU retails for £320, unless you need a carbon one from a SID/Rev WC, in which case it's £550. That's parts only, add your service cost on top.
£300 is a comparative bargain. They did a discount rate a few years ago, a bit of a stantion amnesty, think it was £250 for the service and Kashima CSU, got mine done, they also did all the decals and fitted a brand new lockout lever (I'd broken the old one) for the price. Seems fair to me.
Ah, so you cant just get your current stanchions "coated" then? Im sure i read somewhere that was possible
So with the service+kashima- just buy new forks and sell yours with 'needs a service' (or drop/do the seals etc/change oil) then list on ebay.
So £100 server + £300 for new gold bits
[url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/psa-pike-rc-150mm-euro-380-new ]save you self £60 and get some new Pikes. [/url]
Im sure i read somewhere that was possible
I'm sure it is, but they don't do it.
Mojo recently did my rear and front 2010 Fox's, I went for Kashima upgrade, very impressed, well worth it. Buying new forks just seemed wasteful. They fitted new decals too 🙂
Had my RP23 serviced and converted to kashima on my old Trance shortly after I fitted some kashima floats.
Looked nice but if I'm honest it felt no different at all.
Im sure i read somewhere that was possible
I'm sure it is, but they don't do it.
It is, they don't, [url= http://www.kashima-coat.com/en/index.php ]they do[/url]. Doubt they'd consider doing 1-offs. During production, Fox send the entire CSU to Japan to be coated, then they're shipped back to the USA for assembly.
Get a fish tank full of acid and a car battery, connect your CSU to the negative terminal, some old gold jewellery to the positive terminal, drop both in the tank for a few days, job done.
So basically the "Kashima Coating" is a three stage, Hard anodizing and molybdenum disulphide impregnation/deposition process...
Part of me is wondering if there aren't a few "Poor man's" alternatives, obviously there's silicone fork sprays for short term slideyness, but obviously its the MoS2 that does the business
Rocol do a few different MoS2 impregnated lubricant products, sprays, greases and pastes...
Has anyone tried soaking a foam or felt ring in MoS2 oil and putting it in the inter-space between the wiper and oil seals? or just filling that void with a MoS2 loaded grease?
What about MoS2 additives for fork oil?
Hmmm...
I can't imagine the motorbike boys haven't looked at all this stuff before... Anyone know?
Rumour has it that one of the mags (I presume German) did a "slipperiness" or "break away force" test or something to see how good Kashima was. It turned out standard Rockshox was smoother and Suntour's steel stanchions were slipperiest of all.
[b]Looked nice[/b] but if I'm honest it felt no different at all.
In the trail centre carpark, you stood over it like a tripodozoid three-legged riding God infront of your peers 😀
it does amuse me a little, that we'll gladly hand over cash for 'low friction' fork stanchions, when damping is one of the key characteristics of suspension forks.
just me?
The low friction seals and new lower oil make alot of difference with or without the kashima coating, we're a bit cheaper with kashima stantion replacement, the thing is that if it's a £800 fork and the csu needs replacing the Kashima option is only a few £ more than the 'standard' coating.
If it's a set of 2008 something or others that need doing at £299 ish then yes a brand new, warrantied fork may make more sence and the performance will probably be better than an older O/B damper carted. fork too.
I believe mojo do a reasonably priced mudguard for your kshima coated forks.
Spares prices do seem to be ridiculous for a lot (but not all) of things.
They fit on rockshox forks too, and are the best mudguard I've ever used, however not cheap at RRP agreed
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it does amuse me a little, that we'll gladly hand over cash for 'low friction' fork stanchions, when damping is one of the key characteristics of suspension forks.just me?
It's not really a direct comparison though is it? Damping is speed sensitive and there to control the movement of the fork beyond that which the spring does. When a fork is twisted and or under load, the lack of friction will certainly be noticeable in how the fork performs though whether that has a real world performance benefit for most and whether Kashima is really any better is questionable.
To put it another way, how do you reckon a fork with no damping but really bad stiction (as an alternative to damping) would feel to ride?
it does amuse me a little, that we'll gladly hand over cash for 'low friction' fork stanchions, when damping is one of the key characteristics of suspension forks.
Do you think the damper would perform better with more "friction"?
you're both right of course.
i suppose i've been spoiled by just how good modern forks are, i'd forgotten about 'stiction'!
Push offer their pushmina coating whiuch is a sexier black
Iirc fox ship their stanchions to Japan for coating then back to USA for assembly
That's a lot of air miles for some snake oil !
I don't think it's snake oil, it's just not worth £300.
In the trail centre carpark, you stood over it like a tripodozoid three-legged riding God infront of your peers
What's a trail centre?
The wife often refers to me a tripod anyway. Or is it titch?
Hi DT78
Im setting up a business specialising in stanchion replacement, fork refurbishment and service. its possible to press stanchions out and in again, just like a press fit bottom bracket.
Just finished a full refurbishment of a fox 140R see link below.
havent finalised prices but keen to get a few more units out being tested.
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let me know if you have any questions mike.regensuspension@gmail.com