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https://www.merlincycles.com/maxxis-rekon-folding-exo-tr-mtb-tyre-275-x-280-96733.html
RRP .... £100??? One Hundred POUNDS? for an MTB tyre?? HAs the world gone mad?
Maxxis tyres - what are they made of?
Women's tears
Onza have got the 2.8 skinwall for over a ton - £108 - I won't be getting . .
Unicorn poo , obvs
Well, at least they'll smell nice
I saw a 98 quid disk rotor yesterday .....
Eh naw.
They're made of oil.
Having seen the recent prices of santa cruz bikes from £4k- 10k. And see people actually buying them. And the cost of enduro entri £70+ I am not in the least surprised that tyre prices are so high. Becoming a v rich mans sport is mtb.
It's a plus size tyre, it's a lot t more material than a normal tyre and really early in its production run. Other stuff is available, other stuff is the same price.
Oh and on the event entry fee, do you see loads of super rich event organisers or should they do it at a loss?
Neither of your arguements stand up Mike
Do you own a Santa cruz with expensive Maxxis tyres and pay to partake in Enduro events with it by any chance?
Well before we get down the santa Cruz bitching check out s-works pricing along with many others. Also check out the price of the alu bikes around, never been better priced bikes available to compliment the expensive end of things.
How do maxxis prices compare to Schwalbe or continental?
How much does it cost to run an event? What do you need to run a safe and good event? How much does that cost? Want to do an event with no marshalls or medics or insurance?
A simple "yes to all 3" would have sufficed.
But since you ask. I've absolutely no interest in doing "events" at all Mike. If you're not at the sharp end of the racing you're simply following the same route. Something you can do any other day of the year absolutely free with no need for marshalls, timing, medics or insurance.
and too add I sold MY SC's and have an Alu Commencal that is amazing value and much better than I could have got 10 years ago for the money.
So on the events we will just put you down as don't get events and just up for a troll then 😉
as for the rubber, great collection of Maxxis for under 50 quid
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/s?q=maxxis+minion+dhf+mtb+tyre+-+exo&cat=product
If you're not at the sharp end of the racing you're simply following the same route. Something you can do any other day of the year absolutely free with no need for marshalls, timing, medics or insurance.
Oh right. So unless you're racing world cups, you may as well not bother? You're obviously entitled to your opinion, but the number or people participating in amateur sports events worldwide suggests that your view is not widely held.
No Mike. I completely "get" the event goer thing. It's just of no interest to me. Neither is what bike you own.
I simply have a different view point to yourself. Try to accept that like a big boy rather than call me names.
OK, must have been the confusing posts there....
Do you think event fee's are way more than they cost to run? Genuine question - it's easy to bag prices but if you can't come back and give any reasons then it's all a bit empty - and yes sounds like trolling.
You told me my arguments don't stand up but can't say why - again normal trolling behaviour on here.
anyway head off and race yourself for an afternoon, just imagine how much less fun it is when it's a race...
You're putting words where I did not go @Superficial.
"Eventing" people like to enter events. But lets not kid ourselves on. The vast majority are partaking rather than actually racing. 10345th in the London Marathon is not racing in exactly the same way 253rd is not in an mtb enduro event.
The number of people partaking (I use this word deliberately) in amateur sporting "events" proves my point fairly well.
No Mike. I know exactly what events cost to run
The vast majority are partaking rather than actually racing. 10345th in the London Marathon is not racing in exactly the same way 253rd is not in an mtb enduro event.
When I raced in the UK regularly I was 100% racing - it was the guys around me, my mates and a few others, there were some bragging rights and the challenge of pushing yourself hard.
Some events are just great fun, 4 day stage racing is tough and hard to do but such a feeling when you complete it. Nobody cares where you came but how you participated. Anyway more chirping from the sidelines we assume and cherry picking of one item to complain how terrible modern mountian biking is.
I said your arguement with Earl does not stand up. and it doesn't.
you're just too blinkered and used to paying through the nose for the latest trends in mtb to see why.
[b]Do you think event fee's are way more than they cost to run?[/b] Genuine question - it's easy to bag prices but if you can't come back and give any reasons then it's all a bit empty - and yes sounds like trolling.
gwurk - Member
No Mike. I know exactly what events cost to run
and the answer to the question is?
you're just too blinkered and used to paying through the nose for the latest trends in mtb to see why.
Lol!!
My frames that go for 5-6 years, my parts that are well selected at a good price point, lots of conversations with people on all sides of the industry and seeing all these people buying supercars from owning/running bike businesses.
wind your neck in and stop taking my opinion personally for a minute. I'm not complaining about modern mountain biking being terrible. I'm simply agreeing with Earls comment that it's becoming a rich mans sport.
it's a thread about a £100 pushbike tyre FFS!
folk will pay £15 for an elasticated velcro luggage strap these days to strap their spare tube on their Enduro frame. surely even you must be able to see how silly this is?
Sorry just wondering if you want to answer the question...
It is a thread about cherry picking one item and using it to proclaim that modern mountain biking is a rich man's sport while conveniently ignoring the huge amount of reasonably priced kit out there.
edit
folk will pay £15 for an elasticated velcro luggage strap these days to strap their spare tube on their Enduro frame. surely even you must be able to see how silly this is?
And plenty will use tape of a cheap strap - nobody is forcing anyone to spend that £15. I see people spending more than I would pay for a groupset on some kitchen knives it's doesn't make cooking a rich man's game!
Whoooosh...
Get a room you two....
Sorry just wondering if you want to answer the question...
Which question? You seem to have gone off on one and I'm not even sure I'm able to decipher all of it.
Mike.
You really do sound like an arrogant arse, I haven't got the time to waste on putting you down.
Just stay in the southern hemisphere or else.
Maxxis do tend to be on the high price side, being as the claimed weight of the tyre is 780g (quick google) it’s not amount of materials.
Simple answer, dont buy them and don’t buy into ‘the next best thing’.
cyclelife - Member
Mike.You really do sound like an arrogant arse, I haven't got the time to waste on putting you down.
Just stay in the southern hemisphere or else.
Thanks for that, love a good threat...
Just trying to get to the bottom of where all this massively expensive stuff is and how nobody ever holds up the good solid cheap stuff and proclaims how good value stuff is.
I'm still yet to find anyone rolling in it from the bike trade but they must be somewhere and keeping very quiet about it.
Another quick google suggests a Nobby Nic in + size has an rrp of under £60.
Don't bite at GW's trolling
The price of tyres is getting pretty silly, especially the plus versions. It's not just Maxxis either; look at the price of the E13 tyres at £72 each for normal sizes.
However, there are plenty of good alternatives for a lot less money (e.g. Spesh tyres are often good at around £30-40).
Prices do seem to be going up, but if you adjust your focus there is some great kit at sensible money (e.g. Deore instead of XT).
It is a thread about cherry picking one item and using it to proclaim that modern mountain biking is a rich man's sport while conveniently ignoring the huge amount of reasonably priced kit out there.
Mtb’ing is not a cheap or accessible sport.
Take a look around at the next race or trail centre you go to and tell me the about the demographic. I’ll bet you £10 it is predominately affluent, white, middle class males.
Not the most accessible but lots of sports are not
https://www.commencal-store.co.uk/meta-ht-am-origin-650b-yellow-2017-c2x19265777
https://www.on-one.co.uk/i/q/CBOO45650BNX1/on-one-45650b-sram-nx1-mountain-bike
As far as entry level bikes go there are a few out there, second hand has some great deals too. The demographic can change
Bontrager tyres are typically £40 or so, there's cheaper but I get on with them so am prepared to pay the extra.
Once you get into niche sizes like plus tyres then there's limited production runs so recovering R&D and tooling costs more per tyre. I've paid £125 each for two fat bike tyres but unless I rip the sidewall then they'll last me years so it should be a one off hit.
tell me the about the demographic
last Trail centre I went to was Llandegla, and yes you could find folk on v expensive bikes, but overwhelmingly it was folk on pretty cheap/reasonable stuff, or families or folk on rentals. The argument that it's a rich man sport is as old as the hills. but in reality it's not. I think I paid about £250 for a STXRC 3x8 groupo back in the late 90's; a quick google says a SLX 1x11 is £240 ish.
anyone who wants "bang on trend" kit though, is going to be paying full RRP for it, but that's true of anything in life, not just MTB
Crazy money for a tyre. Hopefully people will see sense and shift to cheaper brand or wait till they get discounted?
Mtb’ing is not a cheap or accessible sport.Take a look around at the next race or trail centre you go to and tell me the about the demographic.
As a sport it's not cheap. As a pasttime or hobby (i.e. for the overwhelming majority) it's as cheap as you want it to be. Step away from the racing and trail centres and there's a huge number of folk riding cheap bikes, wearing cheap kit and not giving a damn.
What sort of racing is cheap and accessible?
my local XC wednesday night races, $5 entry.
Mates race enduro was free
Guy is looking at doing a couple of cheap ones here.
Want to do anything serious and you need some minimum standards to get simple things like insurance. That costs money. After that the question really is if somebody is creaming a profit out of that or covering costs.
The Mega always strikes me as good value. Around 110 euros including a weeks lift pass.
Or one Maxxis plus tyre
Or one tank of fuel
yeah it's hugely subsidised locally. Stuff costs money, it's been an eye opener talking to event organisers candidly and honestly about the costs and impacts of running events. Couple that with the expectations of punters (varies from the everything for nothing to the just have a good time lot) and it's a tough gig.
Thankfully some people have the drive and passion to step up and make stuff happen despite the huge risks and time involved.
Remember kids, mountain biking is about laughing and doing skids in a forest, not scowling and posing in a car park.
It's a plus size tyre, it's a lot t more material than a normal tyre
I don't think that has ANY bearing on cost - the materials cost in a bike tyre is tiny.
However, look at a Maxxis catalogue from 7 years ago. How many different sizes of tyre did they make? Different compounds or carcasses don't add tooling cost, just warehousing cost.
I'm just guessing but I'd say they made the DHF in 26x2.1,2.35,2.5,2.7 and 29x2.1,2.35; so that's five moulds.
Now they make the DHF in eleven different sizes. Are they selling twice as many tyres?
I used to help run a reasonably local 10k run. at £10-15 an entry, with 250 entrants, it would just about break even.
@nickc
Medical cover, cost of insurance, land costs, access, marshall's, cost of timing systems, did anyone get covered for their time?
I'd say at least half the riders at Haldon trail centre ride 26" bikes worth probably <£100. Mtb can be as cheap or as expensive as you like. The variety is great and they seem to be having great fun, same as I do on my parkwood or rigid retro bike worth about 25 quid.
I'd never pay 100 quid for a tyre but then I'm tight and I have normal narrow 29er wheels.
I'm sure in a few years the price of these will come down.
Well, that escalated (not quickly), but somehow from my shock at a frankly, stupidly expensive tyre, to a row about racing. Hmm. I'm not middle class and I can't afford to spend £180 for tyres for a bike, but I do mountain bike, I can afford the bits I need/want. Tyres for that much can **** right off.
You can get the same tyre in Germany for seventy euro or so. £108 is just a distributor taking the piss.
Here's a front and rear set for not much more.
Maxxis are milking the faithful in my opinion.
Fat bike tyres I could understand, tooling up and size of tyre plus dev and to get into a market they weren’t part of.
Their wide Trail thing? Not so much. Other companies have been producing plus tyres at lower prices for years, Maxxis want to tweak the standard slightly and brand it while charging for the privilege of gaining what they will see as a competitive edge. That’s taking the mick in my book. If they want new branded standards? Fine, but spend their own $$$.
Personal opinion, others will vary !
RRPs mean so little in the MTB world for the most part. I recently bought a brand new 29x3 DHR II 3C for £40 which seems fair given the size of the thing.
vincienup - MemberTheir wide Trail thing? Not so much.
They're great tyres but imo that's all, I have a 2.5 non-wt dhf and a 2.4 wt dhr2 on the same rims, they are both round and good and if it didn't say WT on the side of one nobody'd know.
But the 2.5 shorty is genius whether or not it's WT. And that's kind of the issue with expensive tyres- it really hurt my soul to pay £50 for that shorty but it's really a pretty small price increase over a cheaper tyre, if it works better.
Binners would love this thread.
It’s full of chips
Crikey! It's all kicked off on this thread.
Yes, a £100 bike tyre is eye-wateringly expensive.
My current tyres of choice are 26" Chunky Monkeys. £13 each ATM. I doubt the Maxxis are 8x better...
Bloody hell! Going to take mine off and get them in the classifieds 😆
I doubt the Maxxis are 8x better
Well, they wouldn’t fit your rims, so that’s a given...
[i]RRPs mean so little in the MTB world[/i]
Yeah, they're only £89.99 on the site 😮
TroutWrestler - Member
Crikey! It's all kicked off on this thread.Yes, a £100 bike tyre is eye-wateringly expensive.
My current tyres of choice are 26" Chunky Monkeys. £13 each ATM. I doubt the Maxxis are 8x better...
My favourite tyre. Needs a bit more pressure than a super gravy or WTB tough, but a great all rounder and the price of a box of Stella or less than a stupid strap to hold a spare tube on.
Your £13 On one chunky monkeys are made by CST. the same people/factories that make Maxxis bicycle tyres
Yep I think the world and it’s dog knows that.
giantalkali - Member
Remember kids, mountain biking is about laughing and doing skids in a forest, not scowling and posing in a car park
Your comment reminded me of this video 😆 .....
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If you don't like it and think they're too expensive, I suppose you have two options; 1) don't buy them 2) get a better job.
Or whinge online obviously.
Mtbing is not inaccessible and plenty of good kit can be had cheap but..
100 quid for a tyre is just ridiculous.
It annoys me that they know folks want the best kit and are beginning to take the pee pee a bit. Sure you don't have to buy it, but I don't like how it's increasing becoming a sport whereby the best equipment is solely the preserve of affluent middle classes.
[i]Or whinge online obviously.[/i]
Is "whinge" in the dictionary, or would you like someone to give you a definition?
gwurk - Member
Your £13 On one chunky monkeys are made by CST. the same people/factories that make Maxxis bicycle tyres
Yes because production costs are the only driver of retail price
giantalkali - Member
Remember kids, mountain biking is about laughing and doing skids in a forest, not scowling and posing in a car park.
Hope you're not using plus sizes Maxxis tyres for doing those skids
I can't afford to, 26" ain't dead round these parts
Yes because production costs are the only driver of retail price
You're finally ready to admit price are inflated because of #Fashion and because there's a fairly large group of afluent gullible cyclists craving latest latest shiny shiny.
Knew you'd get there in the end Bob
They're having an online sale
http://shop.maxxis.co.uk/products.aspx?featuredsection=d#resultspage,1|resultsperpage,10000|
I still prefer to pick up second hand tyres others have ridden a few times before deeming them 'crap' or 'not getting on with them'.
Three bikes in our household are wearing a few ride old, £30 or less a pair tyres. I even have one generously given free pair.... I just permanently keep an eye out for a 'good' tyre, rather than a specific model.
I make my own tyres from discarded condoms and Play-Doh. They work every bit as well as the life-styling, so-called premium brands, but cost next to nothing to produce, I can't believe anyone spends money on mountain bike components, it's turning into a billionaire's playground.
In next week's instalment, I tell you how to make your own extra-wide rims from a discarded tumble-drier drum and ask the question, do you really need to buy a chain when you can find paper clips lying around the office doing nowt.
Reading page 1 of this thread and I was thinking Gwurk has to be trolling Mike, why is he so full of hate, when the other comment appeared telling Mike to stay down under Id assumed Gwurk had a second account and was trolling from this too! Staying with page 1, IMO Maxxis are pricey, buy Schwalbe...
Take a look around at the next race or trail centre you go to and tell me the about the demographic. I’ll bet you £10 it is predominately affluent, white, middle class males.
If you only look at trail centres and races you'll only see what you want to see, I see plenty of kids in my local town centre riding around on MTB's trying to bunny hop and jump stairs, equally when I go to the nearest spot which you can ride too, I see lots of kids on cheap bikes making kickers from mud and having a whale of a time. This is how I and maybe many others on here got into biking.
My opinion for why at trail centres and races you see more white middle class people is because of vehicle ownership and disposable income, smaller cheaper cars dont carry bikes well and Id guess most non middle class parents may be too busy to take their children to an overpriced car park and coffee shop whilst their kids disappears for several hours each weekend.
[quote=oikeith ]Id assumed Gwurk had a second account and was trolling from this too!
He's had way more than one account over the years. Ban hammered a few times from memory.
oikeith - MemberId assumed Gwurk had a second account
He's not that subtle 😆
STW Forum member outraged by high-end niche products costing money... shocker.
It costs to fill up a T5/6.
Well wouldya look at that. They musta seen my thread 😀
http://singletrackmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/maxxis-slashes-tyres-the-price-that-is