[Closed] Maxxis tyres - tubeless ready

Think the new ones are "TR" or tubeless ready, never had any problem with them before... especially the EXO casing ones which are the tough sidewall versions. They hold air without sealant.

The LUST version of Maxxis tyres have reinforced sidewalls.

I have Maxxis Ikon tyres on my 29er, they are fast but a bit puncture prone. I am thinking of maybe going tubeless as well. So if I swopped to some Maxxis tyres with EXO casing, would that cure the puncture problem ?, also would I need no sealant in the tyre ?

New to the forum so any advice most welcome.

LUST are full on tubless... and heavy. You don't need them if you use sealant, which you'd end up using with full UST set ups anyway, especially if you want small punctures to seal. Tubeless Ready just means a better bead so they seat and seal better, but I'd still use sealant with them.

Many Maxxis have been Tubeless Ready for years, but they just haven't been able to claim they are TR. The new ones that are TR are much the same, just with a TR logo on them.

Been running Minions and High Rollers, single ply, not TR, tubeless and fine for a few years now without a problem. Now running an EXO HRII also tubeless, again not TR. Went up no problem at all and stayed up, aside from when I punched a big hole in the top in the Alps, but that was a hole that TR and UST would not solve. Since repaired and back up tubeless fine.

LUST = lightweight UST but they're only a bit lighter than normal UST.

EXO is the stronger side wall and a bit lighter than the LUST but heavier than normal.

This year they have bought out a proper tubeless ready tyre called TR.

I've tried LUST, EXO and normal Maxxis tyres and they all worked fine with Stan's rims. The LUST was very tight to get but the rest were very easy to get and to inflate.

I've found that the bog standard maxxis casing leaks through the sidewalls badly - 2.3 wire HRs didn't stop leaking for the three months I persevered... Exo casings as mentioned above work perfectly, as do on-one ekso surprisingly enough!

Just fitted a high roller 2 TR tubeless ready. Went up and stayed up without sealant on a Flow. I've put sealant in now and it's not dropped a single psi in nearly 2 weeks..

lerk - did you use sealant? 3 cups of Stans, and I never have any sidewall leaks with standard Maxxis. In fact I've never notice air leak from the sidewalls even before I've put sealant in, only from the bead.

I use Maxxis Advantage Maxpro tubeless, they work a treat. 2 scoops of Stans and no problems since installation about 6 months ago.

DUMB QUESTION TIME! Why would you run tubeless without any sealant? If you rode over a nail or thorn what would you do then?

DUMB QUESTION TIME! Why would you run tubeless without any sealant? If you rode over a nail or thorn what would you do then?

Now, let me think, what did we do before tubeless and sealant - oh, carry a spare tube - maybe that would work 😉

I've got a LUST Ignitor on the front and a LUST Larson TT on the back. Yes they are heavy but so far for me very tough.

Yes I ran them with a variety of sealants (although not Stan's admittedly) and they always leaked out the liquid through the sidewalls in the pattern of the carcass weave, they never sealed and eventually the liquid content of the sealant was left on my floor not in the tyres. Interestingly lots of thorns were sealed no problem.

They were very cheap high rollers though and may have been single ply...

I also had issues when setting up my new clown wheels, spesh purgatory control - inflated shaken then topped up after first ride and not touched in over a month, spesh ground control control leaked out as per my experience with HRs.

I also wiped out the inside of the tyre with IPA to remove any release agent which may affect the sealing ability of latex based sealants. Who knows?

perthmtb, I thought that the main points of tubeless was lower pressures and puncture resistance. Why would you not put sealant in if you then lose one of the main benefits of tubeless? There is probably a valid answer but I can't see it.

Cheap single ply (though folding) High Rollers sealed perfect for me. Only issue I had was running stupidly low, about 15psi when I couldn't be bothered to pump it up, and only one cup of sealant and it leaked around the bead, but not through the sidewalls. I put about 3 cups in now and it doesn't do it even down at 20. 15 is a bit low really. Though did feel great on the descents 😀 I typically run 20 to 25 these days.

I've found that the bog standard maxxis casing leaks through the sidewalls badly

I use single ply High rollers and Larsens and whenever i fit a new tyre i put double the amount of sealant in to start with as the porous sidewalls use it up pretty quickly. I always find for the first month they loose a few psi every week but eventually they build up a coating of sealant and are fine from then on.

That's using the proper Stans sealant.

Normal (and old) minion standards went up fine with no real leaking through the sidewall, EXO HRII's and Ardents no issues in over a year.

perthmtb, I thought that the main points of tubeless was lower pressures and puncture resistance. Why would you not put sealant in if you then lose one of the main benefits of tubeless?

Yes, lower pressures, no more pinch flats, and tougher casings so less punctures - you get all that from UST without the goo. The extra protection goo gives from thorns depends where you ride I guess. Luckily there aren't many thorns where I ride. I've been running Maxxis LUST on Shimano UST rims for a year now and only had one slow puncture in that time, and was able to ride home and mend it at my leisure, but I carry a spare tube with me just in case. So, for me the faff of sticky white goo just isn't worth it, as I like to change my tyres regularly to suit different riding conditions. But if I rode in an area where there were a lot of thorns then I'd probably use it!

I have to say that all these tales of tubeless success leave me a little puzzled.

I've got StansI flows, Maxxis Ardent Exo front and rear. set up tubeless with a Stans kit, all done to the letter.

The first issue I had was the rear. It inflated very well initially but then without warning exploded off the rim (Tip- wear safety glasses and don't do the job in your mates kitchen with his wife standing there)

We eventually got it seated fine and the front went up straight away with no issues. I put it down to perhaps the rear tyre being slightly older than the front so maybe losing its shape easier.

Anyway, both were fine for a few xc rides. I then rode at Gawton downhill tracks on an uplift. Totally fine up until lunch. First run after lunch I pumped over a very innocuous dip in the trail. The rear tyre exploded with a massive bang off the rim. I managed to stop quick and carried my bike down the steep hill. Put a tube in after that.

That was about 3 months ago and I've left a tube in there since, thinking that the tyre wasn't up to it. The front had been trouble free, receiving all manner of abuse and so stayed tubeless.

Yesterday at Afan, I was clattering down a fast descent, got my line a tiny bit wrong and contacted an angled rock which must have made my tyre slip out to the side a couple of inches. Next thing, an almighty bang and I'm flying down into the bank with my tyre exploded off the rim and sealant everywhere.

Luckily I didn't hurt myself bar a cut to the shin but could have been a LOT worse the speed I was going.

The result is, I have pretty much lost all confidence in tubeless. In fact, I see them as just downright dangerous. When they go they tend to go pretty catastrophically and that can be pretty serious.

It's weird as my mate has had zero issues with the same set-up, for much longer and does the same kind of riding.

I have no idea what I'm doing wrong, but I think it's back to tubes for me! Especially after watching Cedric's video... 😯

I have to say that all these tales of tubeless success leave me a little puzzled.

If you want tubeless to just work so you can get on with your riding - stick to proper UST rims and tyres. No faff, no burping, no rims strips and sealant - go up with a normal pump and stay up.

There is however a weight and cost penalty, and you're limited to the few wheel manufacturers who've licenced the technology - currently only Mavic and Shimano I believe?

Take a look [url= http://www.pinkbike.com/news/To-The-Point-UST-Rims-Tires-2013.html ]here[/url] for an explanation of why all tubeless systems are not alike...

I've been running standard no ust Maxxis tyres tubless with stans since 2008 , rims where DT420, Flow, Flowex, Crests never had a problem with tyres exploding only had one puncture which was a 3" gash, must be down to luck and keeping the pressures below 40psi, usually runnng around 20-30psi. when its hedge cutting time they are a godsend.