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Attempted murder? How can you hate someone so much just for riding a bike on a bit of dirt you don't approve of for whatever reason?
Don't get it.😐
Whereabouts were they found?
Anal bleaching
I hope the find them and administer the chinese covid test with a wire brush swab
I hope the find them and administer the chinese covid test with a RUSTY wire brush swab
Let's do this properly.
Seriously though wtaf is wrong with the human race. 😕
East side of Jubilee Hill apparently.
The only bonus to take away from this is that littlegirlbunny (who found them) is a confident and skilled rider, saw them early and avoided them, and then reported to the police...
A less skilled or aware rider might not have been so fortunate! 😔
Saw that the other day, been a few incidents locally as well with rocks/branches/etc put on trails, as well as traps with fishing line across trails, always wonder how someone can get so angry about folk biking in a bit of woods without thinking of the consequences.
without thinking of the consequences.
This is conjecture? They could be set by murderous vindictive persons intent on maiming or worse.
They could be, but if they were like that, then random and ineffectual attempts like this would point to the perpetrators being closer to the idiot side of the scale.
Honestly, if you were that angry and wanted to cause injury to a specific group, you could think of 10 better ways than putting a string of barbwire at knee height, this looks more like 'get of my land' style than injury attempt.
^ You’re possibly confusing anger with intelligence? Remember, ‘no thought for consequences’ also implies consequences to riders/path-users. I know I’m being argumentative but you seem to be saying that they were not set to harm but yet are likely harmful?
Probably some 65yr old tory voting dog walker.
HOW DARE THEY BE FIT AND HEALTHY !!!
Saw that the other day
It only happened last night!
Are you clairvoyant? 🤔
There are some really, REALLY stupid humans out there. Glad you spotted it and didn't get hurt. 😡
The stupidity of people beggar’s belief. Glad this was caught in time with no one being injured
We've had trail disruption in our local woods recently. Nothing quite as stupid as this but logs dragged across the track. Took me and my boy a couple of hours to clear.
It's a track that was created by a legit M/C enduro event possibly 14 years ago, been riding it since then, well out of the way, never any conflict, walkers and riders have always been polite. It was never a path.
Unfortunately it seems that the increased weight traffic in the woods due to the Corona means that Covid puppy owners using the woods as a dog toilet and new to riding people are coming into conflict without having the grace to share the space. All the issues that we thought we had left in the past seem to be returning.
I got got shouted at by a bloke up in the hills last week that I was not on a cycle path - just exploring and the path was wide enough to drive a car up so assumed I would be ok. I apologised and went on my way.
So on Sunday I stuck to the signposted MTB trails and the descent at the end of the medium Malvern route (down to ivy scar rock post) was full of people walking up with dogs and little kids. I got plenty of dirty looks for daring to suggest it wasn't the safest route for walking up.
I've not seen a single person riding like an asshat, shame same can't be said of the idiots not controlling their dogs/kids. A few weeks back I went for a walk with the baby strapped to me and had someone's Boxer charge me because they didn't have it on a lead. They just laughed it off.
Yep, looks like arsehole season is on again.
Some horrible shit had screwed a load of those double ended screws into the log at the top of a drop on a trail local to me.
The local riders group was very active in posting about when they had ridden there, so the time it was done is fairly certain (if everyone was talking about the same trail). It seems it was done late morning on a busy sunday. They must have been there 10 minutes at least, in broad daylight.
If they are that stupid they may well get a bit of summary justice handed out as the woods are busy with walkers and riders and some of the local riding lads seem a bit 'handy' - and not just in a riding sense.
I still can't understand the mentality of someone who sets out with the intention of doing this stuff. Gathers the materials, plans it, then does it.
There's another wood nearby where 'stick man' is active - well logs really. At least three times now I've cleared them by lobbing them over a fence. The guy walks at least 100m around, picks them back up and places them back on the track. Unfathomable.
I’ve not seen a single person riding like an asshat, shame same can’t be said of the idiots not controlling their dogs/kids
I’ve seen/experienced/suffered a number of people (minority, thankfully) over the decades (both on and off bikes, walking/running with dogs or without) not controlling their asshattery so personally wouldn’t be so keen to divide/classify. This has no bearing on my being both a responsible, considerate MTBer and walker/dog-—walker, nor on feathers in cap. Just merely on observation/experience.
So on Sunday I stuck to the signposted MTB trails and the descent at the end of the medium Malvern route (down to ivy scar rock post) was full of people walking up with dogs and little kids. I got plenty of dirty looks for daring to suggest it wasn’t the safest route for walking up
Not so much an ambassador for shared access then, even if it was most likely your intention to be courteous/concerned for their safety??
This evidently is a conflict/clarity issue with the designated trails. Would you have reacted similarly if a dog-walker had suggested to you ‘that wouldn’t be the safest place to ride’? How about if you’d been riding the same trail for decades and now all of a sudden there seems to be a safety concern because of unsafe dogs? Moreover, it’s now your problem because you appear to be ‘in the way’ of the unsafe dogs? Or galloping horses for that matter? Any ‘unsafe’ behaviour/conflict being explained as ‘unsafe’ to a potential innocent victim of said behaviour will of course garner disapproving looks?
Different discussion, admittedly. Malvern Hills Trust idea of cycling the Malverns are shared paths to enjoy, to ‘find your way around this iconic landscape’.
Visiting runners/MTBers/horse-riders/dog-walkers/Malvern Hills Trust may or may not have different ideas about what ‘shared paths’ or ‘finding your way around’ might mean.
CYCLING CODE
The Hills and Commons are a shared landscape with hundreds of thousands of visitors each year with many nationally protected habitats and archaeology.
Please help us to look after the Hills and Commons for the future by following the following tips.
-Please only cycle on bridleways. It is illegal to cycle on the footpaths
-Please do not ride on archaeological monuments including the British Camp, Shire Ditch and Midsummer Hill
-Always give way to walkers and horse riders
-Be courteous and patient with other path users who may be moving more slowly than you
-Cycle at a sensible speed
-Be particularly careful at junctions, bend or other blind spots where people could appear without warning
-Carry a bell and use it, or call out to avoid surprising people. Don't assume -people can see and hear you
-The Hills can be busy at weekends and bank holiday and you may enjoy your ride more by cycling outside the busiest periodshttps://www.malvernhills.org.uk/visiting/cycling/mountain-bike-trails/
Back on topic:
It’s good to see the police taking it seriously. As always, this stupid/murderous/malicious idea of ‘setting traps’ tends to spread/trend, so be super-vigilant wherever riding.
Keeping to the Bridlepaths there means staying away at the weekends. Walkers and others pushing to keep cyclists to "bridlepaths only" increases the problem of a few key paths being packed by all trail uses, while others, especially unmarked ones, lay rarely used.
^ As I said (and if true what you say) then of course there are considerable clarity issues regarding access and legality which can only make themselves more apparent during Covid/furlough times.
We had a stickman on local stuff. Nothing as bad as that though, it was a pile of sticks placed at the bottom of a drop / chute. It wasn't blind though so was more annoying than dangerous.
It had been mentioned to the police and then one of the local riders got a picture of the bloke with a dog (natch) in the act. The police went and had a word and the sticks stopped.
We are now seeing vandalism in another part of the area, this time someone is pushing young trees over to block the trail!
I just don't understand what motivates people to spend time and energy ruining a strangers fun
with a dog (natch)
I'll give this some serious thought when I'm out maintaining trails at our local spot with my two dogs.
Honestly, just do one, tarring a group with the same brush. It's f'ing boring.
We are now seeing vandalism in another part of the area, this time someone is pushing young trees over to block the trail!
We had that locally up here. The guy doing it also nailed no mountain biking notices to adult silver birches. Ironically, he was an active part of the campaign to save the trees in Sheffield, before moving up here to the house nearest to the trail he's killing trees on. Just simple Nimbyism. Some people feel ownership of a trail if they own land or a house near it. I think they genuinely think they are trying to preserve something by keeping bikes away. They just want people to have their fun elsewhere, and feel the trail is theirs... both to safeguard and patrol. Risking damage to riders is just escalating a righteous cause, in their eyes.
Funny how this all starts in around these Lockdowns was up on Lecky hill today above Cheltenham way more walkers than normal you see some of them and they just look like they hate cyclist weird been riding up there since 1988 never bother with the Malverns at weekends in normal times must be mega packed at the minute.
I’ll give this some serious thought when I’m out maintaining trails at our local spot with my two dogs.
Honestly, just do one, tarring a group with the same brush. It’s f’ing boring.
I'd get used to it, if I were you. The new breed of lockdown dog owners are even worse than pre-Covid ones, so you'll be taking flak for them for a long time.
even worse than pre-Covid ones
And we're wondering why people set traps for mountain bikers? 🙄
And we’re wondering why people set traps for mountain bikers?
Well I'm still wondering.
Even if you don't like someone being where you are it is one thing thinking it or saying it or even shouting it versus laying potentially life threatening traps.
The stick/log man I referred to earlier - I am pretty certain it was him... He was out walking his dog pre covid when three or four of us were on a night ride. He was on a path that runs up to where we ride. We had lights, he had a torch. I actually heard him frantically getting his dog to catch up with him and saw (via his torch light) him start jogging to where he could engineer a confrontation. He then claimed we were scaring his dog.
Now that doesn't typify all dog walkers, obviously. It typifies a prick. But many dog walkers are a menace in general. And we all know why the dog is off the lead in a busy place. It is bugger all to do with the dog. It is so the owner can claim not to have seen the hound lay that massive steaming great cable in the undergrowth...
But many dog walkers are a menace in general
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Now that doesn’t typify all mountain bikers obviously. You know the rest. Have a word with yourself. </span>
Have a word with yourself.
Word had.
Would you care to explain how maybe being slightly rubbed up the wrong way by 'another group'* becomes:
And we’re wondering why people set traps for mountain bikers?
???
There is a world of difference between simply getting the hump for whatever reason and actually setting out to injure/kill. The act of riding a mountain bike is not predicated on wanting to hurt someone else. Setting traps is.
*It's not as if there is no overlap between groups...
There is a world of difference between simply getting the hump for whatever reason and actually setting out to injure/kill
I agree completely.
The point I was trying to make was that by lumping people in to a group you dehumanise. Which I'm fairly sure anyone can grasp. But I hate generalisations...
The crazy thing about this is the person has no sense of the countryside this happened 10/15 years ago in a wood called Cranham above Cheltenham and Gloucester on the Cotswolds first it started with the broken branches and logs on the track then the guy put down hundreds of nails and tacks I picked up a half a carrier bag full on one mound all the cyclist would get is a flat but as for the wildlife and dogs very scary.
The crazy thing about this is the person has no sense of the countryside
My first thought was ‘the crazy thing about setting wire traps for people is the shocking malice involved in both wishing and engineering harm towards random strangers’.
Nails, wire, whatever. You can step on them, ride into them. The person who sets these is a criminal. The countryside is just where they happen to be operating.
Remember the barbed wire trap in Guisborough, 2015?
A comment on that thread reminds me that I only tend to cycle on the Hills at sunset and after dark. This boobytrap shit frankly enrages me. Traps can be less visible at night.
But I hate generalisations…
So you've never 'let the dog off' and then turned a blind eye when he/she has dropped a Douglas in the first cut of undergrowth, then?
Did I imagine it, or are you allowed to ride a bike on all the paths in the malvern hills?
Cant even blame it on you shouldnt be there.....
even worse than pre-Covid ones
And we’re wondering why people set traps for mountain bikers? 🙄
I read that just as I left work last night to ride home, and was a bit surprised, then realised I'd worded my comment poorly. I'll try again, at the risk of digging a deeper hole.
If you think dog walkers had a bad rep previously, and are bored by getting negative remarks, well brace yourself, it's not going to get better in the short term. Lots of the people who have bought dogs through lockdown have no clue whatsoever. If you are a responsible dog owner then you have my sympathies.
Did I imagine it, or are you allowed to ride a bike on all the paths in the malvern hills?
I think you did imagine it.
EDIT: There are a lot of permissive paths though.